Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

Why cannot you just acknowledge your own hilarious beliefs that defy all sense and logic.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Good point.

It’s odd that GGWash puts onus of past racism on current residents who had nothing to do with it than the company who created it, profited from it and financially supports them.

Fact is, the land use policies haven't changed much, which is exclusionary and part of the problem. Change the land use policies to be more inclusive and the issue for current residents goes away. As long as the current resident oppose those changes, they remain part of the problem. The comments returned in the ANC survey prove the point.

“Inclusive” like CityRidge, etc?! Smart Growth lobbyists can talk all they want about “equity” and “inclusion” but folks are starting to see through the spin and the bullshit.

Inclusive like the Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment project which is the topic of this thread?

It's packaged as an inclusive but it's just a boon for developers. Already have vacant properties in the ward. Location is not on a metro. Just a money grabbing project.

Market-rate projects: bad! not inclusive!
Inclusive projects: bad! boon for developers!

Boondoggles all around. It's a stupid place to put an "inclusive" project as others noted. But, hey, I'm guessing all the residents will get their own bike rack as part of the project.

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And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

Sadly no, but I’m very grateful for the community-minded volunteers who researched and prepared the historic district nomination. That reflects a tremendous amount of work.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Good point.

It’s odd that GGWash puts onus of past racism on current residents who had nothing to do with it than the company who created it, profited from it and financially supports them.

Fact is, the land use policies haven't changed much, which is exclusionary and part of the problem. Change the land use policies to be more inclusive and the issue for current residents goes away. As long as the current resident oppose those changes, they remain part of the problem. The comments returned in the ANC survey prove the point.

“Inclusive” like CityRidge, etc?! Smart Growth lobbyists can talk all they want about “equity” and “inclusion” but folks are starting to see through the spin and the bullshit.

City Ridge was a matter of right development. What is your point?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Good point.

It’s odd that GGWash puts onus of past racism on current residents who had nothing to do with it than the company who created it, profited from it and financially supports them.

Fact is, the land use policies haven't changed much, which is exclusionary and part of the problem. Change the land use policies to be more inclusive and the issue for current residents goes away. As long as the current resident oppose those changes, they remain part of the problem. The comments returned in the ANC survey prove the point.

“Inclusive” like CityRidge, etc?! Smart Growth lobbyists can talk all they want about “equity” and “inclusion” but folks are starting to see through the spin and the bullshit.

Inclusive like the Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment project which is the topic of this thread?

How inclusive is it to drop low income residents into Chevy Chase without a car and only reliant on the bus for transportation?

It's like 2/3 of a mile from there to a metro stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

Sadly no, but I’m very grateful for the community-minded volunteers who researched and prepared the historic district nomination. That reflects a tremendous amount of work.

Sounds like you enthusiastically support it…I don’t think PP was being literal.

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With stabbings and shootings on upper Connecticut Avenue becoming an almost routine occurrence, folks may not be so keen about welcoming more urban vibrancy and inclusion right now.

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Anonymous wrote:And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

Apparently there are two of them who do this, or so they say. Which is both funny and sad that two GGWers would agree to waste all of their time doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

Apparently there are two of them who do this, or so they say. Which is both funny and sad that two GGWers would agree to waste all of their time doing this.

Smart Growth sometimes pays bloggers, too — not just Trumper lobbyists.

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Anonymous wrote:And why does some dude spend all of his time trying to pimp for GGW and the bike bros on a mom's blog? So weird.

Apparently there are two of them who do this, or so they say. Which is both funny and sad that two GGWers would agree to waste all of their time doing this.

Smart Growth sometimes pays bloggers, too — not just Trumper lobbyists.

Yeah, maybe they are paid. That would make sense, but the smarmy tone sounds like a single person to me. We all know the average DCUMer wouldn't remain around to consistently defend this stuff. No normal person has that kind of wherewithall. They'd have long moved on to go fight in the private school forum or discuss bobcats or reach out to spirit reader.

And what they also don't realize is that they are only helping to make everyone against them with their continued posting. And, fortunately, we are a group that actually votes -- which is probably why they are here in the first place. But they are glaringly out of place.

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We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:We are a group of people who vote as well, and "our" "GGW" candidates somehow keep winning. go figure.

It helps a lot when a Trumper lobbyist gets to gerrymander the ANCs and recruits and pushes his candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I don't think any of this shit matters. Mary Rowse unilaterally filed her 20 year old Historic District designation request this week. Now everyone in this area will be doomed to kneeling at her altar and begging to be able to do light gray paint rather than white.

Historic preservation doesn't cover paint color.

Wood siding with stucco then. Jesus. Same thing. Mary and crew gonna give everyone a hard time just because they can and they enjoy exercising power over others.

They tried to create a historic district 15 years ago and the community voted it down by a 4-to-1 margin.

Frumin is against and let’s hope the process at least is the same as last time as I think the community will again vote it down by a similarly wide margin.

Didn’t realize Chairman Frumin had power over historic designations.

He doesn’t, but assuming all the ANCs are against, the affected population is against and the Ward 3 rep is against…makes it hard to approve.

The ANCs have no role in the historic designation process.

Most of the Connecticut Corridor ANCs now are pro-smart growth and against preservation.

What, exactly, is smart growth? And why do they think it is needed?

And why exactly is “Smart Growth” needed in Chevy Chase DC which was planned as a low-scale leafy semi suburban neighborhood. There have been and are plenty of locations in DC where dense, tall and mixed -use development is welcomed, like the Wharf, Nancy Yard, etc. DC has a diversity of neighborhoods with different attributes that make many singular if not unique. Is it necessary that they all look the same?

Around 1900, with a streetcar, by a segregationist. Now it's 120 years later, and things do sometimes change.

You mean the segregationist senator who was a founder of the Chevy Chase Land Company 125 years ago? Chevy Chase Land Co today funds Greater Greater Washington. So a long ago association with a segregationist investor justifies upzoning a somehow “tainted” green, lower density neighborhood to dense upmarket development ? Yet it’s perfectly fine for GGW to take money from the same company that the segregationist founded?

Is GGW advocating for keeping Chevy Chase the way the segregationists wanted it in 1900? No. Are you? Well, no, you also aren't, because otherwise you'd be advocating for the return of the streetcar and the abolition of street parking. Chevy Chase DC was planned as a neighborhood without cars, after all.

What about horses? Did they design it for abundant horse parking?

1. Horses aren't cars.
2. Cars aren't horses.
3. No.

According to you, the Chevy Chase Development Co did not take into account the dominant form of transportation at the time when developing housing? LOL.

Streetcars and feet.

Isn’t your objection to low density areas like Chevy Chase that they are not designed to facilitate more walking? Yet here you are trying to tell people that back in 1900, rich people were going to move to this low density, isolated and exclusive suburb and walk? Where the hell were they supposed to walk to? There was barely a couple stores back then.

There's plenty of information about streetcar suburbs, if you're interested in learning some history.

So you’re telling me that the rich people who lived in these exclusive, low density street car suburbs had no other access to transportation than their own two feet?

Please read up on streetcar suburbs. Especially if you think that people then used horses like people now use cars. There is a ton of information you can use to educate yourself.

Please answer the question. I really need to know that you believe that rich people in an intentionally designed, low density community would spend their time taking the streetcar to and from downtown DC and then otherwise just being stuck at home because they had no other form of transportation to get anywhere. Like this is honestly what you believe. It’s so insane.

Please learn some history.

I’m sorry but it’s hilariously funny to me that you believe this so inherently insane thing that’s so obviously insane that you even refuse to acknowledge it yourself.

Rich people were not intentionally moving to this exclusive, low density community without any other means of transportation than a streetcar that only takes them to and from downtown DC.

Rich people at no point in human history ever walked anywhere when other options were available.

It’s just preposterous to argue something so ridiculous.

Your assumptions are incorrect, your premises are incorrect, you don't know any history, you don't know anything about horses, please go educate yourself.

I get it. Sometimes it’s hard to come to terms with facts that disrupt ideas that we mistakenly thought were true. But here’s some truth, if you just think about the implications of what you’re saying for 30 seconds you know that it makes no sense.

I sure hope you're not part of the application for historic designation, because you don't know any history. There's just no polite way to say that.

Please just say it. Repeat these words:

“I believe that the rich people who moved to Chevy Chase in 1900 had no other transportation options than a streetcar that only traveled to and from downtown DC and their own two feet”

This is apparently what you hilariously believe.

On the other hand, maybe I hope you actually are part of the application for historic designation.

Sadly no, but I’m very grateful for the community-minded volunteers who researched and prepared the historic district nomination. That reflects a tremendous amount of work.

Sounds like you enthusiastically support it…I don’t think PP was being literal.

There’s a lot of support for a Chevy Chase DC historic district, which is overdue.