"No Labels" Party

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Staffer? Please. Just a regular old soccer mom. Hopefully staffers have better things to do than engage in DCUM nonsense.

If no labels was so upset with a Biden candidacy, they would not have positions that mirror Biden positions. You need to get over thinking this "another option" bullcrap is fooling anyone.

Yes, the reasonable and rational thing to do is shouting down any thought of considering a 3rd option if stuck with Biden vs Trump in 2024.

The rational thing to do is do your homework and understand exactly what using your vote for the different options will do for your family. And if you choose a third party, you understand that that candidate does not win. Your vote for a third party serves to elect either the republican or the democrat.

I disagree. Voting third party is a way of sending a message to the establishment. It is not a waste, and possibly for the first time since Ross Perot, a third party has the chance to be on the stage if they find the right candidate.

I agree 100%. It is very possible for a well qualified candidate who is fit for office by any reasonable standards (not a deranged narcissist or an octogenarian) to gain enough momentum to steamroll by Trump or Biden ahead of next year's election. Trump and Biden can agree not to debate each other so not to let their deteriorating mental conditions become so evident but if there is a viable 3rd party candidate requesting that there be at least one debate among the general election candidates, Trump and Biden would almost certainly feel obligated to participate. Just one debate with the two elderly men on stage with a normal, moderate, quick witted candidate would be enough to sway most voters away from their loyalties to the elderly candidates. At the very least, we should be sending a message to our two headed political establishment monster to let them know that a Trump/Biden rematch is unacceptable.

Well, the best way to do that is do dump Trump — and I’m not clear what it will take for that to happen. Many Biden voters want to be as sure as it’s possible to be that Trump does not win. With Trump out of play, most Dems, Progressives, and Left-leaning Independents would at least seriously consider other candidates. It’s even possible that Biden might decide not to run.

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When trump wins he will arrest and lock this donor up! Trump does not like seeing money go to “others”.

This donor is likely giving money to No Labels to help sway the election to Trump.

So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.

It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.

Frustrating as it may be, the solution is not third parties which just function is as spoilers if they have any effect at all. That is the intent of this party but it is unlikely to succeed.

Look at Ohio's recent election. The GOP is trying to upset the inevitable outcome with non stop sleazy tactics like this third party business. And the voters are not fooled. The Ohio voters are paying attention and are going to get what they want, as they should.

If you think people like Joe Lieberman and Larry Hogan would waste their time with a 3rd party that only has intent to function as a spoiler or has an intent to help Trump or Biden get re-elected, you are absolutely wrong and know nothing of the people behind this particular 3rd party movement.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Staffer? Please. Just a regular old soccer mom. Hopefully staffers have better things to do than engage in DCUM nonsense.

If no labels was so upset with a Biden candidacy, they would not have positions that mirror Biden positions. You need to get over thinking this "another option" bullcrap is fooling anyone.

Yes, the reasonable and rational thing to do is shouting down any thought of considering a 3rd option if stuck with Biden vs Trump in 2024.

The rational thing to do is do your homework and understand exactly what using your vote for the different options will do for your family. And if you choose a third party, you understand that that candidate does not win. Your vote for a third party serves to elect either the republican or the democrat.

I disagree. Voting third party is a way of sending a message to the establishment. It is not a waste, and possibly for the first time since Ross Perot, a third party has the chance to be on the stage if they find the right candidate.

I agree 100%. It is very possible for a well qualified candidate who is fit for office by any reasonable standards (not a deranged narcissist or an octogenarian) to gain enough momentum to steamroll by Trump or Biden ahead of next year's election. Trump and Biden can agree not to debate each other so not to let their deteriorating mental conditions become so evident but if there is a viable 3rd party candidate requesting that there be at least one debate among the general election candidates, Trump and Biden would almost certainly feel obligated to participate. Just one debate with the two elderly men on stage with a normal, moderate, quick witted candidate would be enough to sway most voters away from their loyalties to the elderly candidates. At the very least, we should be sending a message to our two headed political establishment monster to let them know that a Trump/Biden rematch is unacceptable.

Bullcrap. The third party is a spoiler every time. They never win. Never. The voters are not going to be fooled by this nonsense.

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When trump wins he will arrest and lock this donor up! Trump does not like seeing money go to “others”.

This donor is likely giving money to No Labels to help sway the election to Trump.

So much free rent given to the idea of trump running as the GOP candidate. Biden will defeat him. No brainer.

It is frustrating that little energy and thought is given comparatively to who should run if Trump isn’t the candidate. It’s not the party die-hards that anyone needs to worry about, it is rest of the people who will need convincing. And whether you personally like Harris or not, she is not a compelling candidate or running mate for Biden if Trump isn’t running against them.

Frustrating as it may be, the solution is not third parties which just function is as spoilers if they have any effect at all. That is the intent of this party but it is unlikely to succeed.

Look at Ohio's recent election. The GOP is trying to upset the inevitable outcome with non stop sleazy tactics like this third party business. And the voters are not fooled. The Ohio voters are paying attention and are going to get what they want, as they should.

If you think people like Joe Lieberman and Larry Hogan would waste their time with a 3rd party that only has intent to function as a spoiler or has an intent to help Trump or Biden get re-elected, you are absolutely wrong and know nothing of the people behind this particular 3rd party movement.

I know they will not win and so do they.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Staffer? Please. Just a regular old soccer mom. Hopefully staffers have better things to do than engage in DCUM nonsense.

If no labels was so upset with a Biden candidacy, they would not have positions that mirror Biden positions. You need to get over thinking this "another option" bullcrap is fooling anyone.

Yes, the reasonable and rational thing to do is shouting down any thought of considering a 3rd option if stuck with Biden vs Trump in 2024.

The rational thing to do is do your homework and understand exactly what using your vote for the different options will do for your family. And if you choose a third party, you understand that that candidate does not win. Your vote for a third party serves to elect either the republican or the democrat.

I disagree. Voting third party is a way of sending a message to the establishment. It is not a waste, and possibly for the first time since Ross Perot, a third party has the chance to be on the stage if they find the right candidate.

I agree 100%. It is very possible for a well qualified candidate who is fit for office by any reasonable standards (not a deranged narcissist or an octogenarian) to gain enough momentum to steamroll by Trump or Biden ahead of next year's election. Trump and Biden can agree not to debate each other so not to let their deteriorating mental conditions become so evident but if there is a viable 3rd party candidate requesting that there be at least one debate among the general election candidates, Trump and Biden would almost certainly feel obligated to participate. Just one debate with the two elderly men on stage with a normal, moderate, quick witted candidate would be enough to sway most voters away from their loyalties to the elderly candidates. At the very least, we should be sending a message to our two headed political establishment monster to let them know that a Trump/Biden rematch is unacceptable.

Bullcrap. The third party is a spoiler every time. They never win. Never. The voters are not going to be fooled by this nonsense.

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This is not a new song. From a Democratic perspective: Nader, Nader, Sanders/Stein threw the election to the bat crap crazy Republican in three separate elections, and Perot was what made Bill Clinton possible.

If these goofballs cared as much about politics (they don’t, or at least not in the way they claim) as they say, they’d start at the local level, or at least for something other than president. They never do, for some reason.

So we should all just agree with these mealy mouthed spoilers that “both parties” are equally bad therefore we should all flock to the third parties that are funded by the GOP? No.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

Great idea! Manchin is in NO WAY the f**king epitome of a corrupt, lying, backhanded, self-interested (only), triple-dealing piece of shit, lifelong politician. He'd be just terrific!

p.s. And the "No Labels" party is no way a Koch- and Russian-funded covert operation intended to sucker naive imbecile Democrat voters to the not vote for Biden and, instead, for a "fresh alternative" (like Manchin!) and, in doing so, peel off enough Democrat votes in swing states to install Trump as permanent president.

Wise up.

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LOL, Manchin is as self-serving as they come, and his daughter, don't get me started.

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This will never work until we have serious campaign finance reform and ranked choice voting / single transferrable vote

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

I didn’t say that at all. I said those polls allow voters to put a mythological third party candidate into that third spot, and typically one that is more preferable than the stays quo. So they more readily select that option.

Put up a poll of Biden v Trump v Manchin. Your poll results will be very different from the “unknown third option” and probably not in a good way.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

I didn’t say that at all. I said those polls allow voters to put a mythological third party candidate into that third spot, and typically one that is more preferable than the stays quo. So they more readily select that option.

Put up a poll of Biden v Trump v Manchin. Your poll results will be very different from the “unknown third option” and probably not in a good way.

My point was that a third party candidate won’t necessarily be a complete unknown. I wasn’t suggesting those people literally.

Personally, i believe both of the current major parties need to fade away. Their time is over. They keep this country in stuck in the same old ruts.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

I didn’t say that at all. I said those polls allow voters to put a mythological third party candidate into that third spot, and typically one that is more preferable than the stays quo. So they more readily select that option.

Put up a poll of Biden v Trump v Manchin. Your poll results will be very different from the “unknown third option” and probably not in a good way.

My point was that a third party candidate won’t necessarily be a complete unknown. I wasn’t suggesting those people literally.

Personally, i believe both of the current major parties need to fade away. Their time is over. They keep this country in stuck in the same old ruts.

How old are you? Trump is not a rut. He is destructive bomb that destroyed our peaceful transfer of power. Thankful that the Dems were smart enough to nominate a candidate that could defeat such a threat.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

I didn’t say that at all. I said those polls allow voters to put a mythological third party candidate into that third spot, and typically one that is more preferable than the stays quo. So they more readily select that option.

Put up a poll of Biden v Trump v Manchin. Your poll results will be very different from the “unknown third option” and probably not in a good way.

My point was that a third party candidate won’t necessarily be a complete unknown. I wasn’t suggesting those people literally.

Personally, i believe both of the current major parties need to fade away. Their time is over. They keep this country in stuck in the same old ruts.

I get your point. My point is we know Manchin and he isn’t a viable candidate.

Look I get what you are trying to argue. My kids do the same. But I lived through 2000, the fallout of which we are a still experiencing. And then 2016 with Bernie. And because of that, many of us will never take a chance on third party/disruptor candidate in an election as important as this one. Maybe when Trump is gone and Republicans have their period of reckoning. But not this election. And definitely not for a party funded by unhappy billionaires. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

I didn’t say that at all. I said those polls allow voters to put a mythological third party candidate into that third spot, and typically one that is more preferable than the stays quo. So they more readily select that option.

Put up a poll of Biden v Trump v Manchin. Your poll results will be very different from the “unknown third option” and probably not in a good way.

My point was that a third party candidate won’t necessarily be a complete unknown. I wasn’t suggesting those people literally.

Personally, i believe both of the current major parties need to fade away. Their time is over. They keep this country in stuck in the same old ruts.

I get your point. My point is we know Manchin and he isn’t a viable candidate.

Look I get what you are trying to argue. My kids do the same. But I lived through 2000, the fallout of which we are a still experiencing. And then 2016 with Bernie. And because of that, many of us will never take a chance on third party/disruptor candidate in an election as important as this one. Maybe when Trump is gone and Republicans have their period of reckoning. But not this election. And definitely not for a party funded by unhappy billionaires. Sorry.

To each their own. That’s the beauty of living in the US, we can vote as we like. I may be a little older than you. I’ve argued since college and on this board that RvW needed to be codified by Congress. No one listened and they didn’t think it would ever happen. I moved to DC where rich democrats put down and dismissed Midwestern / rust belt urban democrats. Disgusting. I was shocked by what happened in 2000. I met Al Gore (funnier than his reputation led on) but after that the democrat party became even less recognizable. GOP became filled with more religious zealots and democrats became more elitist.

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Anonymous wrote:If former MD Governor Larry Hogan ran as a 3rd party candidate, would he be more likely to hurt Trump or Biden?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/labels-group-steep-climb-party-worth-larry-hogan/story?id=101340213

If the D and R parties truly feel threatened by this 3rd party movement, there is an easy fix. Hogan describes the scenario for which No Labels may actually field a candidate in very plain language. If, come next spring, America's nightmare scenario of Trump and Biden being the nominees comes to fruition, it's a real possibility No labels will field a candidate simply due to demand from the American public for something better. If the Ds and Rs don't want to face competition from a 3rd party, and of course they don't, they just need to nominate something more appetizing than the lunatic orange old man and the elderly man.

So no labels can stamp their feet and have their silly tantrum and help get trump elected to protest that trump was one the nominees? That makes no sense. They help trump so they are pro trump.

If the Rs and Ds do no better than Trump vs Biden 2 in 2024, No Labels will seriously consider fielding a candidate. If the R or D parties nominate a normal candidate with a respectable favorbility rating amongst voters, they are unlikely to have a need to run. Not exactly rocket science here. If the Ds nominate a Bill Clinton or the Rs nominate a Mitt Romney, we won't have a No Labels candidate. It doesn't have to be both parties nominating someone different.

What about no labels helping get trump elected do you not understand? Rationalize helping give trump a second term how ever you want, it still results in the election of trump again.

We are not idiots. Don't tell me you object to trump and then help give him the white house.

If No Labels convinced Joe Manchin to run, then I don’t disagree. But do we know this is true for sure in the case of a lifelong Republican like Larry Hogan?

What difference does it make? The third part candidate does not win. They serve to assist one of the other candidates.

Again, they only plan to run if Trump AND Biden are the nominees. If Trump and Biden become the nominees with no viable 3rd party candidate, we'd be looking at the weakest presidential field in the history of our country and what makes you so sure the 3rd party has zero chance of winning in this unprecedented circumstance? No one with an IQ over 80 is voting for Trump in 2024 period. That gives pretty good odds to any viable candidate running against him. We just need someone with less obvious weaknesses running against him and we should be less concerned of where that candidate comes from. You can't rely on the recent failures of 3rd parties as predictors of what will happen in 2024 because our current political situation is far, far different from anything experienced our lifetimes.

They have zero chance of being anything but spoilers

And tell me, while you're so up on No Labels - what are their actual positions? Can you name three things they stand for, other than being not Trump or not Biden? I bet not! They're a cipher, there to project whatever you want onto them - and take your money.

For all of our sake, let's hope we don't see a Trump vs. Biden rematch in 2024 so we don't have to worry about any potential negative impact from these No Label folks. If we do have a Trump vs Biden rematch, the numbers show that most American voters would appreciate another option to consider. It is what it is. If you're an R or D party staffer or campaign worker whining about this 3rd party threat, get over it and become open to applying for work elsewhere.

Of course most voters are going to select an unknown third option. Because when they make that selection, it’s based on this mythological notion that the third option is better than the ones running. Put an actual name to than third option and the polling will look very different.

You make it sound like all 3rd party candidates are unknown or have no real political experience. We could get someone like Manchin or Lieberman (someone like him not really him) who have held office.

I didn’t say that at all. I said those polls allow voters to put a mythological third party candidate into that third spot, and typically one that is more preferable than the stays quo. So they more readily select that option.

Put up a poll of Biden v Trump v Manchin. Your poll results will be very different from the “unknown third option” and probably not in a good way.

My point was that a third party candidate won’t necessarily be a complete unknown. I wasn’t suggesting those people literally.

Personally, i believe both of the current major parties need to fade away. Their time is over. They keep this country in stuck in the same old ruts.

I get your point. My point is we know Manchin and he isn’t a viable candidate.

Look I get what you are trying to argue. My kids do the same. But I lived through 2000, the fallout of which we are a still experiencing. And then 2016 with Bernie. And because of that, many of us will never take a chance on third party/disruptor candidate in an election as important as this one. Maybe when Trump is gone and Republicans have their period of reckoning. But not this election. And definitely not for a party funded by unhappy billionaires. Sorry.

To each their own. That’s the beauty of living in the US, we can vote as we like. I may be a little older than you. I’ve argued since college and on this board that RvW needed to be codified by Congress. No one listened and they didn’t think it would ever happen. I moved to DC where rich democrats put down and dismissed Midwestern / rust belt urban democrats. Disgusting. I was shocked by what happened in 2000. I met Al Gore (funnier than his reputation led on) but after that the democrat party became even less recognizable. GOP became filled with more religious zealots and democrats became more elitist.

I am so sorry you feel disenfranchised. But these 3rd party candidates funded by billionaires do not care about your wants. If we are around the same age you should understand that. All the way back to 1992. Did you vote for Bernie? I don’t mean that in a bad way, you sound like a lot of my Bernie friends who feel super lost right now.