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Anonymous wrote:"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world"

Ephesians 6:12-13.

I's forces of darkness in power providing this pornography

I think I was referring to Trump, MAGA and Putin. That’s the only correct interpretation. Has nothing to do with pornography.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

NP.

What drawings ?

here https://rumble.com/v23pvjy-shocking-images-from-book-gender-queer-which-was-stocked-in-school-librarie.html

For older HS teens, most of that seemed OK. Nothing wrong with pictures of same-sex people kissing.

The fellatio drawing is problematic. Straight or gay, I’m not sure graphic fellatio images belong in school libraries.

It’s not actually fellatio and no genitalia is shown.

It’s clear we’re not dealing with the smartest tools in the shed here. You obviously haven’t bothered to actually watch the video.

Again, if you actually read the book you’d understand that it’s not a penis.

Holy f@ckballs - you think since it’s not ACTUALLY a penis the depiction of someone sucking a strap on is therefore ok?
This is what we’re dealing with folks. Irrational people.

I am the NP from above, and I agree with you.

I believe the person you are arguing with is irrational (though clearly very passionate about keeping this image in our kids school’s libraries).

To that person: the drawing is pornographic. It is not for children, in my view. I suppose you could give such porn to your own child if you feel so passionately.

But you have to agree, an image like that is certainly not for all children, and really shouldn’t be in a children’s public school library.

I don’t you are going to get the agreement that you are looking for.

The PP and others have spent 25 pages arguing for these images to be provided in schools to other people’s children.

We all know what their end game is. and no, they are not going to concede the point that graphic sexual images should not be provided to children.

+100

It has all the makings of a cult. It’s really getting out of hand.

I am 06:32, and I sadly have to agree with both of you. The person we are arguing with is not at all reasonable. They may not even be rational. And they certainly are not arguing in good faith.

I think we’ve been had.

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Anonymous wrote:"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world"

Ephesians 6:12-13.

I's forces of darkness in power providing this pornography

I think I was referring to Trump, MAGA and Putin. That’s the only correct interpretation. Has nothing to do with pornography.

Oh puh-leez!; spare us the bible lecture. fact is

PORNOGRAPHY EXPLOITS WOMEN! period. It utterly destroys the lives and futures of so many young, vulnerable women, who are e plotted by these disgusting creeps profiting from it.

And it ruins so many relationships; even breaks up marriages. It’s unhealthy and even addictive.

It’s just UNBELIEVABLE some creep is on here defending defending PORN like we are all just supposed to suddenly be fine with it! IN SCHOOLS!!

WTF !!?!?

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

And so far, with all this supposed attention, only ONE copy found in all of New York State, which nobody ever even checked out, plus (maybe) another one found at some unspecified location in Iowa, though that article was pretty dodgy and completely lacked any specifics whatsoever, just a handful of photos of what looked like an unused copy of the book.

Whatever dude. I remain profoundly underwhelmed and do not find the hysteria compelling.

No one cares what you find "compelling." And do keep ignoring the facts that have been posted repeatedly. Troll harder.

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

Returning to this. So far, the only "FACTS" I've actually seen anywhere here are:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

Note, that I am not saying the book does not exist, nor am I saying it's never been in a school library, nor am I saying kids should be reading this book and I never have said any of those things, despite all of the flailing deflections and accusations you all keep making, along with your repeated confusing of one poster for another and your confused responses to various forms of trolling going on in this thread.

I'm just questioning the (in my opinion) grossly overblown hyperbole surrounding the info here. There are nearly 129,000 k-12 schools in the US, a huge percentage of which have libraries of some form. For all I know, one might only be able to count on one's fingers how many copies of the book existed in those 129,000 schools. And for all I care, fine, fine, take that tiny handful of books out of schools. Or don't.

I'm saying you have a huge gap between a handful of schools with bad judgement versus a "VaST LgBTq AgENdA AtTaCkiNG OuR ScHOoLs" on this one.

And meanwhile I still think it's a much greater and higher priority that we need to focus on things like protecting our kids from things like, you know, ACTUALLY GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN MASS SHOOTINGS and until that's solved, there's absolutely no way in heaven or hell that you're ever going to convince me that your cause and crusade is somehow more important than mine. Your priorities are DEFINITELY out of kilter.

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You sound like a total lunatic (though at least you were open about your real “cause and crusade.”

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

And so far, with all this supposed attention, only ONE copy found in all of New York State, which nobody ever even checked out, plus (maybe) another one found at some unspecified location in Iowa, though that article was pretty dodgy and completely lacked any specifics whatsoever, just a handful of photos of what looked like an unused copy of the book.

Whatever dude. I remain profoundly underwhelmed and do not find the hysteria compelling.

No one cares what you find "compelling." And do keep ignoring the facts that have been posted repeatedly. Troll harder.

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

Returning to this. So far, the only "FACTS" I've actually seen anywhere here are:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

Note, that I am not saying the book does not exist, nor am I saying it's never been in a school library, nor am I saying kids should be reading this book and I never have said any of those things, despite all of the flailing deflections and accusations you all keep making, along with your repeated confusing of one poster for another and your confused responses to various forms of trolling going on in this thread.

I'm just questioning the (in my opinion) grossly overblown hyperbole surrounding the info here. There are nearly 129,000 k-12 schools in the US, a huge percentage of which have libraries of some form. For all I know, one might only be able to count on one's fingers how many copies of the book existed in those 129,000 schools. And for all I care, fine, fine, take that tiny handful of books out of schools. Or don't.

I'm saying you have a huge gap between a handful of schools with bad judgement versus a "VaST LgBTq AgENdA AtTaCkiNG OuR ScHOoLs" on this one.

And meanwhile I still think it's a much greater and higher priority that we need to focus on things like protecting our kids from things like, you know, ACTUALLY GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN MASS SHOOTINGS and until that's solved, there's absolutely no way in heaven or hell that you're ever going to convince me that your cause and crusade is somehow more important than mine. Your priorities are DEFINITELY out of kilter.

This has absolutely nothing to do with LGBTQ. I would be just as outraged if there was a cartoon depicting a woman pegging her husband with a strap on. Really - does this even have to be explained?

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like a total lunatic (though at least you were open about your real “cause and crusade.”

You're the lunatic for thinking this is more important than preventing mass shootings, you sicko.

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like a total lunatic (though at least you were open about your real “cause and crusade.”

You're the lunatic for thinking this is more important than preventing mass shootings, you sicko.

You’re so right. Let’s drop every other issue in America. Couldn’t possibly be concerned about two issues at once!

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like a total lunatic (though at least you were open about your real “cause and crusade.”

You're the lunatic for thinking this is more important than preventing mass shootings, you sicko.

You’re so right. Let’s drop every other issue in America. Couldn’t possibly be concerned about two issues at once!

Oh dear. Three copies of a questionable book ended up in schools. Thoughts and prayers. /s

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like a total lunatic (though at least you were open about your real “cause and crusade.”

You're the lunatic for thinking this is more important than preventing mass shootings, you sicko.

You’re so right. Let’s drop every other issue in America. Couldn’t possibly be concerned about two issues at once!

Oh dear. Three copies of a questionable book ended up in schools. Thoughts and prayers. /s

Three copies? Now you’ve resorted to making things up. Good job! Keep trying - you may get there someday.

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Anonymous wrote:Checking back in 5 pages later to see if anyone actually provided evidence that these books are being made widely available in school libraries and still don't see any such evidence.

If you can't provide it then you should be asking yourself why not.

They are available in some HS libraries. Or they were when this whole thing first blew up.

Not going to point out which ones because the religious nutters will go attack those schools.

So the book was found in 2 libraries and the far right is going ballistic and is passing all kinds of laws criminalizing libraries.

But hundreds of mass shootings and kids being blasted to pieces in their schools and they don't give a damn and refuse to do a single thing.

It's really hard to argue with an intellect that is so devoid of common sense and the ability to think critically.

Maybe we should try this a different way.... if the book is not in any (school) libraries, passing a law to ensure it doesn't make it into any (school) libraries shouldn't be a big deal.

It's a shame you're so dishonest in your arguments with folks on here. I'm sure you also have some decent qualities that many of us would enjoy.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

And so far, with all this supposed attention, only ONE copy found in all of New York State, which nobody ever even checked out, plus (maybe) another one found at some unspecified location in Iowa, though that article was pretty dodgy and completely lacked any specifics whatsoever, just a handful of photos of what looked like an unused copy of the book.

Whatever dude. I remain profoundly underwhelmed and do not find the hysteria compelling.

No one cares what you find "compelling." And do keep ignoring the facts that have been posted repeatedly. Troll harder.

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

Returning to this. So far, the only "FACTS" I've actually seen anywhere here are:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

Note, that I am not saying the book does not exist, nor am I saying it's never been in a school library, nor am I saying kids should be reading this book and I never have said any of those things, despite all of the flailing deflections and accusations you all keep making, along with your repeated confusing of one poster for another and your confused responses to various forms of trolling going on in this thread.

I'm just questioning the (in my opinion) grossly overblown hyperbole surrounding the info here. There are nearly 129,000 k-12 schools in the US, a huge percentage of which have libraries of some form. For all I know, one might only be able to count on one's fingers how many copies of the book existed in those 129,000 schools. And for all I care, fine, fine, take that tiny handful of books out of schools. Or don't.

I'm saying you have a huge gap between a handful of schools with bad judgement versus a "VaST LgBTq AgENdA AtTaCkiNG OuR ScHOoLs" on this one.

And meanwhile I still think it's a much greater and higher priority that we need to focus on things like protecting our kids from things like, you know, ACTUALLY GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN MASS SHOOTINGS and until that's solved, there's absolutely no way in heaven or hell that you're ever going to convince me that your cause and crusade is somehow more important than mine. Your priorities are DEFINITELY out of kilter.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

And so far, with all this supposed attention, only ONE copy found in all of New York State, which nobody ever even checked out, plus (maybe) another one found at some unspecified location in Iowa, though that article was pretty dodgy and completely lacked any specifics whatsoever, just a handful of photos of what looked like an unused copy of the book.

Whatever dude. I remain profoundly underwhelmed and do not find the hysteria compelling.

No one cares what you find "compelling." And do keep ignoring the facts that have been posted repeatedly. Troll harder.

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

Returning to this. So far, the only "FACTS" I've actually seen anywhere here are:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

Note, that I am not saying the book does not exist, nor am I saying it's never been in a school library, nor am I saying kids should be reading this book and I never have said any of those things, despite all of the flailing deflections and accusations you all keep making, along with your repeated confusing of one poster for another and your confused responses to various forms of trolling going on in this thread.

I'm just questioning the (in my opinion) grossly overblown hyperbole surrounding the info here. There are nearly 129,000 k-12 schools in the US, a huge percentage of which have libraries of some form. For all I know, one might only be able to count on one's fingers how many copies of the book existed in those 129,000 schools. And for all I care, fine, fine, take that tiny handful of books out of schools. Or don't.

I'm saying you have a huge gap between a handful of schools with bad judgement versus a "VaST LgBTq AgENdA AtTaCkiNG OuR ScHOoLs" on this one.

And meanwhile I still think it's a much greater and higher priority that we need to focus on things like protecting our kids from things like, you know, ACTUALLY GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN MASS SHOOTINGS and until that's solved, there's absolutely no way in heaven or hell that you're ever going to convince me that your cause and crusade is somehow more important than mine. Your priorities are DEFINITELY out of kilter.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

And so far, with all this supposed attention, only ONE copy found in all of New York State, which nobody ever even checked out, plus (maybe) another one found at some unspecified location in Iowa, though that article was pretty dodgy and completely lacked any specifics whatsoever, just a handful of photos of what looked like an unused copy of the book.

Whatever dude. I remain profoundly underwhelmed and do not find the hysteria compelling.

No one cares what you find "compelling." And do keep ignoring the facts that have been posted repeatedly. Troll harder.

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

Returning to this. So far, the only "FACTS" I've actually seen anywhere here are:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

Note, that I am not saying the book does not exist, nor am I saying it's never been in a school library, nor am I saying kids should be reading this book and I never have said any of those things, despite all of the flailing deflections and accusations you all keep making, along with your repeated confusing of one poster for another and your confused responses to various forms of trolling going on in this thread.

I'm just questioning the (in my opinion) grossly overblown hyperbole surrounding the info here. There are nearly 129,000 k-12 schools in the US, a huge percentage of which have libraries of some form. For all I know, one might only be able to count on one's fingers how many copies of the book existed in those 129,000 schools. And for all I care, fine, fine, take that tiny handful of books out of schools. Or don't.

I'm saying you have a huge gap between a handful of schools with bad judgement versus a "VaST LgBTq AgENdA AtTaCkiNG OuR ScHOoLs" on this one.

And meanwhile I still think it's a much greater and higher priority that we need to focus on things like protecting our kids from things like, you know, ACTUALLY GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN MASS SHOOTINGS and until that's solved, there's absolutely no way in heaven or hell that you're ever going to convince me that your cause and crusade is somehow more important than mine. Your priorities are DEFINITELY out of kilter.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

It's not "gaslighting."

Here's what you ACTUALLY SAW with your own eyes:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

If you saw more than that, you're going to have to provide evidence of it, because so far, nobody in this thread has.

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Anonymous wrote:The NYT writes an entire article about schools all over the country having this book in their libraries, but the troll keeps on trolling. Too funny.

Don't subscribe to the NYT, it's paywalled. And even so it's probably still anecdotal. Do better. Show some actual data showing how many schools ordered that book for their students. I only trust data, not your "feelings" or your factless anecdotes.

Until you show some actual data all you have are factless claims.

PP, I (not a book banner) posted the entire NYT article upthread. You can read it there. Nobody paid any attention to the book until the so-called Moms for Liberty somehow came across it and decided that 2 or 3 out-of-context drawings would be the very thing to further their campaign against LGBTQ people and public schools.

"Moms for Liberty" somehow "found" the book. What are the chances of far right wing activists just happening to stumble upon that particular book in some random school library. I'd give it 1:1,000,000 odds. Higher odds if one of them brought it in their purse to plant it before "finding" it. Hate to be cynical but the far right "anti-woke" is so far off the rails these days I wouldn't put anything past them.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

So I guess you're (deliberately) ignoring this part:

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

No worries. We're all used to you lying through your teeth in order to discredit reality.

So, it's an award-winning book, which many school librarians chose to add to their school's library, but you find one or two drawings in this book, completely out of context, to be indefensibly shocking, and therefore it should be unavailable in any school library (or maybe any library at all).

You're not going to stop with this book, and you're not going to stop with books. Everyone knows that. In fact, some of the people advocating for banning books on LGBTQ topics have already moved on to advocating for banning the existence of LGBTQ people.

And so far, with all this supposed attention, only ONE copy found in all of New York State, which nobody ever even checked out, plus (maybe) another one found at some unspecified location in Iowa, though that article was pretty dodgy and completely lacked any specifics whatsoever, just a handful of photos of what looked like an unused copy of the book.

Whatever dude. I remain profoundly underwhelmed and do not find the hysteria compelling.

No one cares what you find "compelling." And do keep ignoring the facts that have been posted repeatedly. Troll harder.

The award brought “Gender Queer” to the attention of librarians across the country, who often look to such prizes when deciding what books to order. High schools and some middle school libraries around the country began stocking it.

The book was banned in dozens of school districts and removed from libraries across the country, including Alaska, Iowa, Texas and Pennsylvania.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/books/maia-kobabe-gender-queer-book-ban.html

Returning to this. So far, the only "FACTS" I've actually seen anywhere here are:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

Note, that I am not saying the book does not exist, nor am I saying it's never been in a school library, nor am I saying kids should be reading this book and I never have said any of those things, despite all of the flailing deflections and accusations you all keep making, along with your repeated confusing of one poster for another and your confused responses to various forms of trolling going on in this thread.

I'm just questioning the (in my opinion) grossly overblown hyperbole surrounding the info here. There are nearly 129,000 k-12 schools in the US, a huge percentage of which have libraries of some form. For all I know, one might only be able to count on one's fingers how many copies of the book existed in those 129,000 schools. And for all I care, fine, fine, take that tiny handful of books out of schools. Or don't.

I'm saying you have a huge gap between a handful of schools with bad judgement versus a "VaST LgBTq AgENdA AtTaCkiNG OuR ScHOoLs" on this one.

And meanwhile I still think it's a much greater and higher priority that we need to focus on things like protecting our kids from things like, you know, ACTUALLY GETTING SHOT TO DEATH IN MASS SHOOTINGS and until that's solved, there's absolutely no way in heaven or hell that you're ever going to convince me that your cause and crusade is somehow more important than mine. Your priorities are DEFINITELY out of kilter.

Classical far left gaslighting: "what you are seeing with your own eyes isn't actually happening." We are over it and over your extremist views.

It's not "gaslighting."

Here's what you ACTUALLY SAW with your own eyes:

a.) Some photos of pages from the book. No real evidence given about where the photos were taken. For all I know it might not even have been in a school library. And, the book looked pristine and untouched apart from whoever taking the pictures opening it to take the pictures, as opposed to looking like a typical library book in circulation being mauled by kids

b.) Info about ONE copy of the book, found in ONE school library, and it had never been checked out

c.) Some handwavey, completely nonspecific information about it being removed elsewhere

d.) Info that it's been banned in various locations, whether or not they actually ever even had it in the first place

That's the "facts" presented so far, whether you like my laying out of them as such or not.

If you saw more than that, you're going to have to provide evidence of it, because so far, nobody in this thread has.

Are you still refusing to read the previously posted NYT article? Why yes, yes you are! Either that, or a NYT article is information is too “handwavey” for you.
Either way, you’re being deliberately obtuse.