Memphis Cops Kill Motorist After Traffic Stop

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.

+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.

You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.

DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.

This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?

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Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.

Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.

When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.

And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)

Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.

I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.

That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.

Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.

Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.

This!

Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.

These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.

The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.

They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say it’s good that it’s a bunch of black officers who tuned this guy up. It’s also pretty clear that for all this guy’s supposed calmness, he took off and ran. He ran. If he just shuts up and stays on the ground, and takes a few kicks, he’s showing up at a cop protest sometime this year. But now he’s not.

Have you ever been beaten down by an armed goon squad?! No? Then who are you to judge?

How easily people forget. George Floyd didn’t run. That didn’t work out for him either.

lol. Honest question; did you watch the George Floyd video? He spent 10+ minutes resisting getting put in the cruiser. While it is true that George Floyd didn't physically try to evade the police he clearly resisted.

LOL? You’re laughing at a man’s slow, deliberate murder?

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Anonymous wrote:Fact: if the person isn’t brandishing a gun or knife, they simply are not a threat—particularly when confronted by multiple police officers. Therefore, there is no need to throw punches, hit, or otherwise use violence to subdue.

I know some police officers get scared and overreact. But they must be held accountable.

Suggestion: the military is trained to deescalate, and they are also trained to be courageous. There are news accounts where police are former military and they handled the precarious situation flawlessly precisely because of their courage and military training. Let’s see if there are lessons to be learned.

This is my BIL. He is a former marine now police officer. Also has a college degree. He is calm under pressure and can handle stressful situations remarkably well. He is advancing quickly in his department. A few of his fellow academy graduates have been let go for various reasons, namely, not doing well under pressure, reacting impulsively, etc. They are all under a lot of scrutiny for at least the first year post-graduation.

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Anonymous wrote:The other day I was watching a Carol Burnett show skit from the 1970s about police brutality toward college students protesting the Vietnam War.

And then in the 1980s, we have rappers who sang about police brutality. Ice T summed it up. "Our wars won't end until all wars cease." Ice T the poet.

I am afraid it's true.

I see more clearly now in my early 50s, this isn't something that will ever change.

There will always be violent men. My 8th grade teacher used to tell the boys they would end up dead or in jail. One of those boys is now an electrician with a beautiful family with two college aged daughters. He didn't go to college but learned a trade, how to be an electrician.

There is a certain controlling personality type who will choose law enforcement as a career. No amount of empathy training or de-escalation training is going to change their behavior. They must be held accountable for their actions with the threat of prison. But most of these boys and men aren't afraid of the police, the law, or threat of prison. So here we are.

The problem are guns. Police are a symptom. Cops would not be on edge all time, wouldn’t have an us vs them attitude, and wouldn’t be militarized if there were no guns. For starters, cops wouldn’t even need to carry guns if there were never 300+ million guns on the streets in the US. That’d at least reduce the risk of deadly police shootings and mass shootings by a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say it’s good that it’s a bunch of black officers who tuned this guy up. It’s also pretty clear that for all this guy’s supposed calmness, he took off and ran. He ran. If he just shuts up and stays on the ground, and takes a few kicks, he’s showing up at a cop protest sometime this year. But now he’s not.

Have you ever been beaten down by an armed goon squad?! No? Then who are you to judge?

How easily people forget. George Floyd didn’t run. That didn’t work out for him either.

lol. Honest question; did you watch the George Floyd video? He spent 10+ minutes resisting getting put in the cruiser. While it is true that George Floyd didn't physically try to evade the police he clearly resisted.

How about Elijah McClain, as posted earlier? We don't have video of what happened, as all three LEO's body cameras fell off their bodies at about the same time, but there is audio.

His last words were apologizing for vomiting, because he "wasn't trying to do that."

I can't breathe. I have my ID right here. My name is Elijah McClain. That's my house. I was just going home. I'm an introvert. I'm just different. That's all. I'm so sorry. I have no gun. I don't do that stuff. I don't do any fighting. Why are you attacking me? I don't even kill flies! I don't eat meat! But I don't judge people, I don't judge people who do eat meat. Forgive me. All I was trying to do was become better. I will do it. I will do anything. Sacrifice my identity, I'll do it. You all are phenomenal. You are beautiful and I love you. Try to forgive me. I'm a mood Gemini. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Ow, that really hurt! You are all very strong. Teamwork makes the dream work. [after vomiting] Oh, I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to do that. I just can't breathe correctly.

Can you enlighten us as to what he did wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Can there just be an understanding that you should never resist arrest? Regardless of race, gender, criminal record - just do not resist arrest.

Actually the Massachusetts SC has ruled that in view of how much more often Black men are subject to police violence, their resistance to arrest should not be taken as prima facie evidence of consciousness of guilt. It’s a rational response to the high likelihood of injury in police custody. So no, we can’t agree that there is a cadre of people around who can stop other people on the street and demand that they do literally anything and expect perfect compliance. Move to Juche North Korea if you want that kind of unanimity.

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Anonymous wrote:The other day I was watching a Carol Burnett show skit from the 1970s about police brutality toward college students protesting the Vietnam War.

And then in the 1980s, we have rappers who sang about police brutality. Ice T summed it up. "Our wars won't end until all wars cease." Ice T the poet.

I am afraid it's true.

I see more clearly now in my early 50s, this isn't something that will ever change.

There will always be violent men. My 8th grade teacher used to tell the boys they would end up dead or in jail. One of those boys is now an electrician with a beautiful family with two college aged daughters. He didn't go to college but learned a trade, how to be an electrician.

There is a certain controlling personality type who will choose law enforcement as a career. No amount of empathy training or de-escalation training is going to change their behavior. They must be held accountable for their actions with the threat of prison. But most of these boys and men aren't afraid of the police, the law, or threat of prison. So here we are.

The problem are guns. Police are a symptom. Cops would not be on edge all time, wouldn’t have an us vs them attitude, and wouldn’t be militarized if there were no guns. For starters, cops wouldn’t even need to carry guns if there were never 300+ million guns on the streets in the US. That’d at least reduce the risk of deadly police shootings and mass shootings by a lot.

I grew up in a small town with zero gun crime and the cops still had an us vs them attitude. Especially with poor people. American policing is the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:The other day I was watching a Carol Burnett show skit from the 1970s about police brutality toward college students protesting the Vietnam War.

And then in the 1980s, we have rappers who sang about police brutality. Ice T summed it up. "Our wars won't end until all wars cease." Ice T the poet.

I am afraid it's true.

I see more clearly now in my early 50s, this isn't something that will ever change.

There will always be violent men. My 8th grade teacher used to tell the boys they would end up dead or in jail. One of those boys is now an electrician with a beautiful family with two college aged daughters. He didn't go to college but learned a trade, how to be an electrician.

There is a certain controlling personality type who will choose law enforcement as a career. No amount of empathy training or de-escalation training is going to change their behavior. They must be held accountable for their actions with the threat of prison. But most of these boys and men aren't afraid of the police, the law, or threat of prison. So here we are.

The problem are guns. Police are a symptom. Cops would not be on edge all time, wouldn’t have an us vs them attitude, and wouldn’t be militarized if there were no guns. For starters, cops wouldn’t even need to carry guns if there were never 300+ million guns on the streets in the US. That’d at least reduce the risk of deadly police shootings and mass shootings by a lot.

Agreed.

Cops in the UK don’t carry guns…because they don’t need to.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say it’s good that it’s a bunch of black officers who tuned this guy up. It’s also pretty clear that for all this guy’s supposed calmness, he took off and ran. He ran. If he just shuts up and stays on the ground, and takes a few kicks, he’s showing up at a cop protest sometime this year. But now he’s not.

Have you ever been beaten down by an armed goon squad?! No? Then who are you to judge?

How easily people forget. George Floyd didn’t run. That didn’t work out for him either.

lol. Honest question; did you watch the George Floyd video? He spent 10+ minutes resisting getting put in the cruiser. While it is true that George Floyd didn't physically try to evade the police he clearly resisted.

LOL? You’re laughing at a man’s slow, deliberate murder?

More hyberbolic rhetoric and bad faith engagement. To say GF was 'slowly, deliberately murdered' is a massive overstatement. Secondly, I wasn't laughing at his untimely demise. I was laughing at ANY assertion that Floyd didn't resist arrest. He absolutely did. Watch the video. Any claim that he didn't is laughable.

People get so emotional talking about things like this that logic goes out the window. This site, ideally, should at least be half a step above Twitter level discourse in both intellect and honesty.

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Intellectual honesty, you say? Hmm. Yes. Yes, that is what is needed around here.

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Anonymous wrote:The other day I was watching a Carol Burnett show skit from the 1970s about police brutality toward college students protesting the Vietnam War.

And then in the 1980s, we have rappers who sang about police brutality. Ice T summed it up. "Our wars won't end until all wars cease." Ice T the poet.

I am afraid it's true.

I see more clearly now in my early 50s, this isn't something that will ever change.

There will always be violent men. My 8th grade teacher used to tell the boys they would end up dead or in jail. One of those boys is now an electrician with a beautiful family with two college aged daughters. He didn't go to college but learned a trade, how to be an electrician.

There is a certain controlling personality type who will choose law enforcement as a career. No amount of empathy training or de-escalation training is going to change their behavior. They must be held accountable for their actions with the threat of prison. But most of these boys and men aren't afraid of the police, the law, or threat of prison. So here we are.

The problem are guns. Police are a symptom. Cops would not be on edge all time, wouldn’t have an us vs them attitude, and wouldn’t be militarized if there were no guns. For starters, cops wouldn’t even need to carry guns if there were never 300+ million guns on the streets in the US. That’d at least reduce the risk of deadly police shootings and mass shootings by a lot.

Absolute nonsense. Police all over the world are inclined to use excessive force. In many places the first thing that comes after the handcuffs is a station house beating. Guns aren’t going away. Every time the police show up they bring guns with them. The problem here is officer selection, training and supervision. One glaring issue is that, as multiple PP’s have observed, the police gave conflicting commands, yelling over each other, demanding to see hands that someone else was holding behind the victim’s back, etc. Military personnel are taught to work as a team. All kinds of sports teach teamwork and coordinated effort. The “one riot, one ranger” mentality where every cop acts as if he/she is the only one there and in charge of everything might have made sense decades ago. It makes no sense today. That’s a policy and training failure.

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Anonymous wrote:The other day I was watching a Carol Burnett show skit from the 1970s about police brutality toward college students protesting the Vietnam War.

And then in the 1980s, we have rappers who sang about police brutality. Ice T summed it up. "Our wars won't end until all wars cease." Ice T the poet.

I am afraid it's true.

I see more clearly now in my early 50s, this isn't something that will ever change.

There will always be violent men. My 8th grade teacher used to tell the boys they would end up dead or in jail. One of those boys is now an electrician with a beautiful family with two college aged daughters. He didn't go to college but learned a trade, how to be an electrician.

There is a certain controlling personality type who will choose law enforcement as a career. No amount of empathy training or de-escalation training is going to change their behavior. They must be held accountable for their actions with the threat of prison. But most of these boys and men aren't afraid of the police, the law, or threat of prison. So here we are.

The problem are guns. Police are a symptom. Cops would not be on edge all time, wouldn’t have an us vs them attitude, and wouldn’t be militarized if there were no guns. For starters, cops wouldn’t even need to carry guns if there were never 300+ million guns on the streets in the US. That’d at least reduce the risk of deadly police shootings and mass shootings by a lot.

Agreed.

Cops in the UK don’t carry guns…because they don’t need to.

There are armed police in the UK and they carry machine guns. Not terribly long ago some British plainclothes cops shot a suspect in the back of the head while he was face down on the floor of a bus.

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Anonymous wrote:Can there just be an understanding that you should never resist arrest? Regardless of race, gender, criminal record - just do not resist arrest.

He didn’t resist. They were yelling get on the ground, while in the ground. They were yelling, hand behind your back, while they were holding into his hands.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.

+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.

You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.

DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.

This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?

DP

Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.

Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.

When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.

And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)

Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.

I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.

That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.

Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.

Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.

This!

Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.

These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.

The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.

They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.

Good luck collecting on that judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. They got angry that they had to chase him. Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color? These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence.

I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him. And they did.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake.

+1. Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions. He died because these pigs wanted to kill him. That’s it.

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.

You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.

DP. You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do? WTF is wrong with you?

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really?
The PP said nothing wrong.

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.

This is a stupid view. There are bad apples in every single profession. Should we just get rid of everything?

DP

Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job.

Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.

When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.

And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)

Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.

I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.

That's really not true. The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them. The system is working as it should.

Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.

Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice. Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police. It's all of us.

This!

Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help. At all.
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.

These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.

The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have. LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters.
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.

They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.

Good luck collecting on that judgment.

DP. Yes, agreed, the process in place needs to be changed so that collecting on that judgment becomes remotely feasible.