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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It’s on Vimeo. The cops came in hot. Not sure if he didn’t pull over immediately but they were clearly angry and dragged him from the car. He was calm and trying to talk to them. He got scared and ran. [b]They got angry that they had to chase him.[/b] Looks like one cop maybe got sprayed in his eye.

They find him and kick him in the head multiple times. They hold him while others near him.

How can anyone feel safe around police no matter your color or their color?  These men beat him to death.

I’m so heartbroken for his family. I can’t imagine dying like that. Feeling so helpless and terrified.

So sickening.

Being enraged to riot is understandable but it’s not the cops who will suffer.

I know the job messes with your head.

I wish we weren’t such a violent country/culture.

What a $hitty world we’ve created for our children.[/quote]

There's something really wrong with many, many, many men. They have these fragile little egos and when something doesn't go their way, they react to an insane level. Is it right to run from a cop? No, but it should never be a death sentence or result in straight up violence. 
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I generally advocate for doing what cops say and dealing with any wring doing in court. But after watching the video, how hot they came in, dragging him from the car, screaming and oepoer spraying him while he tried to de-escalate...at a certain point, if I think my life is in danger, I'm going to try to get away. I can't really blame him for that. Maybe they killed him because he ran, [b]but Tyre ran because he thought they were going to kill him.[/b] And they did. 
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It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

Great strategy! Fight the police because they will kill you if you don't. ha[/quote]

I mean he could have laid there and let them suffocate him against the ground or beat him to death on the spot. I’d at least give myself the chance to live by running. He’s seen all the same videos and court cases of these scenarios to know, he’s likely going to die. I mean hell at this point being in your home and eating ice cream or sleeping can get you killed by cops with zero liability from the cops. Reckless driving/DUI does not justify beating a person to death, but I guess if you are black that’s the reason it is. He pulled over and stopped for Christ sake. [/quote]

+1.  Tyre Nichols did not die because he failed to follow directions.  He died because these pigs wanted to kill him.  That’s it. [/quote]

Cops murder people all the time who comply with their directions.  :roll: [/quote]
You think this never happens? A cop in Florida shot a Black behavioral therapist who was complying when the autistic boy who was supposed to comply wasn’t. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna745716[/quote]

Nobody said that. It rarely happens. Do you realize that you aren't privy to what over a million police officers do on a daily basis? You only know what pops up on your phone, and that's a big difference.[/quote]

DP.  You think the fact that not every cop brutalizes people excuses the ones who do?  WTF is wrong with you?[/quote]

DP. Nowhere in the PP’s post did they say that the officers should be excused for their behavior. Nothing is wrong with that PP. They simply posted that incidents are actually rare, despite what social media shows. Statistics prove this. Over 99% of police interactions (per FBI statistics) involve no use of force. That doesn’t mean there aren’t horrific uses of force, but it does demonstrate that this is rare. Of the uses of force that do occur, most are deemed justified. (Keep in mind that merely putting on handcuffs can be a use of force.)

I’m sure the PP would appreciate if you don’t jump to conclusions.[/quote]

I would suggest you go back and reread the exchange, because pp absolutely was trying to deflect from the brutality of Nichols’ murder by citing to the fact that not all cops do this.  [/quote]

Are you suggesting that all cops do this? Really? 
The PP said nothing wrong. [/quote]

One bad apple spoils the bunch, and there is a lot more than one bad apple in the police forces in the United States.[/quote]

This is a stupid view.  There are bad apples in every single profession.   Should we just get rid of everything?  [/quote]

Agree - we should not throw the baby out with the dirty bath water. We need to invest much more in police training … they have a difficult and risky but important job. [/quote]

Do you know what happens if you as a cop intervene and stop your fellow officers once they start abusing a person? The officer just put a target on his back. He’s now an officer who can’t be trusted. At any time he can be hung out to dry, left on an island when he’s supposed to have backup.

When you’re an officer, you’re a member of the gang. What happens when a gang member turns on his gang? Exactly.[/quote]

And if cops cannot police themselves, then they have to be policed by third parties. (So to speak.)

Take away qualified immunity. Not turning on body cam means you lose your job and pension. If we don't have enough candidates with this kind of oversight, then shift tasks (spend funding on medical/social work crisis response teams and not military weapons for the police department; separate traffic enforcement from regular police force, etc). Offer different incentives.

I don't care how many nie guys you know as cops. This isn't working. American police cannot be trusted to police themselves. Other developed countries don't have this problem. Whatever they are doing needs to be started here, because we are failing. We are killing our own citizens.[/quote]

That's really not true.  The police chief immediately fired all five of these guys and the state brought charges against them.   The system is working as it should.

Other developed countries don't have this problem because they have a much higher police-to-citizen ratio and they don't have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world.

Take away cops (which is de facto happening now as police forces shrink) and you replace it with vigilante justice.  Because America's underlying violence problem isn't just police.  It's all of us. [/quote]

This!

Taking away qualified immunity is not something that will help.  At all. 
Qualified immunity does NOT protect LE when they break the law.... like they did here.

These 5 officers not only brought shame to themselves - they have also put another black eye on LE everywhere.

The actions these officers took are not representative of 95%+ of officers we have.  LE have thousands of encounters with the public every day that end as routine encounters. 
Please don't allow yourself to believe that this horrific incident is representative of most LE.  [/quote]

They’ve been criminally charged, but they should also be civilly liable for violating the victim’s Constitutional rights and they should pay through the nose for it, as should any officer who violates a suspect’s Constitutional rights without actually murdering him (as was done here). If it were possible, a lot more of the bad apples would think twice before doing what they do. Good apples should have no problems with it. There is no reason on Earth why police should be any more protected from the operation of civil law than the rest of us. End qualified immunity.[/quote]

Good luck collecting on that judgment. [/quote]

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