Prince Harry’s book

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

What makes you think he hasn’t found happiness now?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

What makes you think he hasn’t found happiness now?!

In my experience, happy people aren’t continuously focused on convincing people how hard their lives have been. They don’t continuously discuss the past.

[Anonymous]

Interjecting here - do you truly think Prince Charles and Camilla "planted" bad stories about William and Harry?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interjecting here - do you truly think Prince Charles and Camilla "planted" bad stories about William and Harry?

According to book: There are office systems, their staff, and yes, Harry indicated numerous times in which they were the only ones to know something. Secondly, she apparently was using his issues as a way to deflect her bad press. Stuff only Charles and she knew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

Try actually reading the book. You didn't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree with any of what H and M are saying. I think what many Americans find surprising is that it’s such an obviously f—Ed up institution that it seems odd for Megan who willingly joined it and seemed to enjoy some of the benefits of it to then say “wait — this is f—Ed up.” I had the same thought about Diana but I gave her a little more slack because she was so young.
Harry just strikes me as such a sad situation because he grew up in that and just seems to both hate it but also be pretty captured by it. And like many people who come from a dysfunctional family, he can’t really figure out a way to live within that family with boundaries. I think at some point he may regret the way that he’s torching his family relationship but, sadly, unlike many people with disfunctional families, he never really can be free of them.

I think she was expecting a different family dynamic and, for certain, one in which there weren't popularity rules. By the time she realized it and how they were both being thrown to the wolves, they were already married. The book was clear that Harry was looking for a compromise but The Firm wasn't interested.

I come from a highly dysfunctional family. I don't think Harry will regret his book. I think he will grieve that his family was so dysfunctional that he felt compelled to have his voice amplified. I think he's still in the early phases of his recovery and desperately wants his family to see what he sees. Sadly, it's unlikely they ever will.

I mean, there was a reason his family was telling him to move slowly with this relationship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interjecting here - do you truly think Prince Charles and Camilla "planted" bad stories about William and Harry?

I wouldn’t be surprised. That entire family sounds like a viper’s nest.

[Anonymous]

I’m mostly through Spare on audible and I am really enjoying it. Harry seemed ready to speak his truth and I am impressed by his ability to process all the trauma in his life. It also lays out a clear case for the shenanigans happening between the press office and the press. It wasn’t necessarily that Camilla was calling reporters but does seem like a wink wink agreement to deflect with stories of other people. Her recent lunch with Morgan and Clarkson are definitely suspect though… my one criticism (other than not really caring for the military parts) is that he doesn’t do much reflecting on how privileged he is. He has moments of clarity - in Africa, in Afghanistan, but he has more growth ahead to fully embrace that two things can be true. He can have a truly hard and traumatic childhood AND be completely lucky to have as much privilege as he does. Given the growth he describes in his book to date I have no doubt he will get there and Meghan will likely be a big champion of his work there.

[Anonymous]

PP again - he also has a lovely reading voice and seems bright. He isn’t an intellectual but doesn’t seem to be the dullard people say he is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t disagree with any of what H and M are saying. I think what many Americans find surprising is that it’s such an obviously f—Ed up institution that it seems odd for Megan who willingly joined it and seemed to enjoy some of the benefits of it to then say “wait — this is f—Ed up.” I had the same thought about Diana but I gave her a little more slack because she was so young.
Harry just strikes me as such a sad situation because he grew up in that and just seems to both hate it but also be pretty captured by it. And like many people who come from a dysfunctional family, he can’t really figure out a way to live within that family with boundaries. I think at some point he may regret the way that he’s torching his family relationship but, sadly, unlike many people with disfunctional families, he never really can be free of them.

I think she was expecting a different family dynamic and, for certain, one in which there weren't popularity rules. By the time she realized it and how they were both being thrown to the wolves, they were already married. The book was clear that Harry was looking for a compromise but The Firm wasn't interested.

I come from a highly dysfunctional family. I don't think Harry will regret his book. I think he will grieve that his family was so dysfunctional that he felt compelled to have his voice amplified. I think he's still in the early phases of his recovery and desperately wants his family to see what he sees. Sadly, it's unlikely they ever will.

I mean, there was a reason his family was telling him to move slowly with this relationship.

Him, yes. Her no. How could she have known what it would be like? It defies the imagination of a normal person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

What makes you think he hasn’t found happiness now?!

In my experience, happy people aren’t continuously focused on convincing people how hard their lives have been. They don’t continuously discuss the past.

This confirms you haven't read the book because Harry makes no attempt to convince anyone of hard his life has been. He relates his experiences - which is the point of a memoir. You, clearly, have your own mental health challenges and have an unhealthy fixation on him. Move on to another thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP again - he also has a lovely reading voice and seems bright. He isn’t an intellectual but doesn’t seem to be the dullard people say he is.

I listened to the audiobook as well! He'd be great at other narration! He's got a great voice and does an excellent job!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems to have fallen very quickly from the news. Haven't seen mention of it in a week or so.

Really wasn't much substance beyond a combination of frustration and spoiled clueless rich boy who couldn't figure out how to grow up. I didn't see anything in it that spoke badly of the royal family, which isn't surprising given how the rest of them seem to manage to function decently. I don't doubt they have their own frustrations but the others didn't need all this controversy to vent. The RF is an institution and all institutions need their rules to function and to make it coherent. The Queen was right when she told Harry the only alternative was to leave, but even Harry couldn't turn his escape into happiness, which tells you the real problem is him, not the royal family or others around him.

I highly doubt you've read the book. Had you read the book, you'd know that Harry isn't unhappy. Had you read the book, you'd realize how significant their need for security is and how The Firm makes it worse. Had you read the book, you'd know that because of how The Firm incorporated Harry into their production from birth, he can stop performing but he's still a member despite his unwillingness. It's like Hotel California. Just admit you didn't read the book.

I know no matter what I say you'll always be convinced I never read the book.

When you take the perspective the book was written by an unhappy man with an axe to grind and who is rather dim and short sighted, you'd see that it's someone amplifying many not atypical family frustrations and exploding it out on a bigger scale because of the backdrop of the royal family.

The royal family is an institution with its rules. There's a reason people refer to it as a firm. It is more than the sum of its members. And it abides by rules. Some of the rules don't make sense outside the family but they do exist, such as precedence and rituals. Many of the rules exist because of how the monarchy functions within Britain and the expectations for the family and how it needs to conduct itself. That's why the Queen said follow the rules or hit the road.

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