is grade deflation really hurting college admissions this year?

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell seems to get the most impressive college acceptance results out of any DMV private school.
So if that is very important to you, you are better off sending your kids to Sidwell for HS rather than NCS

Just not true. Not to say they are not fine results but they don’t really stand out against the other great schools.

All they almost all had hooks,
3 Northwestern admits but all URM.
most Ivy admits had 2 hooks: legacy plus child of a VIP, URM plus legacy.
These kids were born on third base--Ivy is in their DNA; it didn't take Sidwell to get them there.

Too bad for the unhooked non URMs. Their ancestors (and parents) should have used their hook (white skin) when non URMs couldn’t. Then their children would also be legacies at these schools (shrug).

Being an urm minority is not a hook. Stop this narrative. If it were such a hook, these groups wouldn’t be underrepresented. Find someone else to blame and start with yourself.

It's a hook in that the standards are lower.

What standards are lower? The ones you can buy? College admissions teams can see through so called achievement bought by privilege, such as thousands of dollars spent on tutoring beginning in lower school and then of course SAT prep later on. They’re hip to the game and are no longer buying what you’re selling. Throwing around your money to give your kid a leg up in college admissions and then calling it merit is delusional. Admissions departments who care about equity are judging kids on their potential. What have they done with the cards they’ve been dealt? As much as you may not realize it in your privileged bubble, it takes a lot more to be top of the class in an inner city public b/c those kids are having to overcome a lot more environmental obstacles to achieve. It shows character and perseverance. That’s a much better indicator of success than grades inflated by years of tutoring and stacking the deck.

And the kids whose folks own a small business, work 90 hours a week at it to pull 60k per year (and make the kids throw in 15 hrs) yet the kids pull 4.0/1600/36, play a sport and and instrument and don’t get in? Your target audience is the easy one to go after. What about mine?

Step one would be to close down the business b/c 60k a year earned from 90 hrs a week is less than the minimum wage in dc. But, exaggerated story aside, I’d say dig deeper. Your kid needs to figure out what sets them apart. It’s not all about stats. It’s not a checklist.

The wage laws don’t apply to owners. It’s also not exaggerated. But I say, you should dig deeper bc the first generation kids I am talking about have hit every mark out before them. Why can’t others?

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

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Anonymous wrote:So you agree with the premise of lower standards!

No, but it’s clear that you attempt to scapegoat URMs in order to avoid the truth that you (and your children) are simply mediocre. Your ancestors were mediocre too because they didn’t use their white skin privilege to gain admission to Ivy/highly selective universities when those institutions actively and openly discriminated against qualified URMs. It sucks to suck.

None of that follows. You can’t make a coherent argument.

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Anonymous wrote:So you agree with the premise of lower standards!

No, but it’s clear that you attempt to scapegoat URMs in order to avoid the truth that you (and your children) are simply mediocre. Your ancestors were mediocre too because they didn’t use their white skin privilege to gain admission to Ivy/highly selective universities when those institutions actively and openly discriminated against qualified URMs. It sucks to suck.

What about the qualified Jews, Irish and and Italians that were discriminated against? I have one of each on my family - alive right now - who were all denied admission to the best law schools. Open discrimination that someone like you is not aware of. You need a wider world view and less ignorance. It’s complex and complicated. Not sure you can muster what it takes to consider.

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Anonymous wrote:So you agree with the premise of lower standards!

No, but it’s clear that you attempt to scapegoat URMs in order to avoid the truth that you (and your children) are simply mediocre. Your ancestors were mediocre too because they didn’t use their white skin privilege to gain admission to Ivy/highly selective universities when those institutions actively and openly discriminated against qualified URMs. It sucks to suck.

What about the qualified Jews, Irish and and Italians that were discriminated against? I have one of each on my family - alive right now - who were all denied admission to the best law schools. Open discrimination that someone like you is not aware of. You need a wider world view and less ignorance. It’s complex and complicated. Not sure you can muster what it takes to consider.

Are qualified Jews, Irish, and Italians still being discriminated against based on race or skin color (the latter two groups, specifically)? Are they still subject to widespread economic discrimination in the form of employment, housing, and education? Please sit down and educate yourself about anti-Black racial discrimination that is BOTH historic and contemporary before you attempt to join this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:So you agree with the premise of lower standards!

No, but it’s clear that you attempt to scapegoat URMs in order to avoid the truth that you (and your children) are simply mediocre. Your ancestors were mediocre too because they didn’t use their white skin privilege to gain admission to Ivy/highly selective universities when those institutions actively and openly discriminated against qualified URMs. It sucks to suck.

None of that follows. You can’t make a coherent argument.

Your response is consistent with your inclination to scapegoat. You don’t understand what I said, so you say that I “can’t make a coherent argument.”
No, you’re unable to understand my very coherent statement. Continue to wallow in your mediocrity.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell seems to get the most impressive college acceptance results out of any DMV private school.
So if that is very important to you, you are better off sending your kids to Sidwell for HS rather than NCS

Just not true. Not to say they are not fine results but they don’t really stand out against the other great schools.

All they almost all had hooks,
3 Northwestern admits but all URM.
most Ivy admits had 2 hooks: legacy plus child of a VIP, URM plus legacy.
These kids were born on third base--Ivy is in their DNA; it didn't take Sidwell to get them there.

Too bad for the unhooked non URMs. Their ancestors (and parents) should have used their hook (white skin) when non URMs couldn’t. Then their children would also be legacies at these schools (shrug).

Being an urm minority is not a hook. Stop this narrative. If it were such a hook, these groups wouldn’t be underrepresented. Find someone else to blame and start with yourself.

It's a hook in that the standards are lower.

What standards are lower? The ones you can buy? College admissions teams can see through so called achievement bought by privilege, such as thousands of dollars spent on tutoring beginning in lower school and then of course SAT prep later on. They’re hip to the game and are no longer buying what you’re selling. Throwing around your money to give your kid a leg up in college admissions and then calling it merit is delusional. Admissions departments who care about equity are judging kids on their potential. What have they done with the cards they’ve been dealt? As much as you may not realize it in your privileged bubble, it takes a lot more to be top of the class in an inner city public b/c those kids are having to overcome a lot more environmental obstacles to achieve. It shows character and perseverance. That’s a much better indicator of success than grades inflated by years of tutoring and stacking the deck.

And the kids whose folks own a small business, work 90 hours a week at it to pull 60k per year (and make the kids throw in 15 hrs) yet the kids pull 4.0/1600/36, play a sport and and instrument and don’t get in? Your target audience is the easy one to go after. What about mine?

Step one would be to close down the business b/c 60k a year earned from 90 hrs a week is less than the minimum wage in dc. But, exaggerated story aside, I’d say dig deeper. Your kid needs to figure out what sets them apart. It’s not all about stats. It’s not a checklist.

The wage laws don’t apply to owners. It’s also not exaggerated. But I say, you should dig deeper bc the first generation kids I am talking about have hit every mark out before them. Why can’t others?

My point is the business doesn’t make good financial sense and the business owner in this scenario seems to be throwing good money after bad. There seems to be a flawed mindset in this scenario, shared by both parent and child, that hard work is all that matters. You can work hard at something and still fail. The child in this scenario should learn the phrases minimally acceptable and diminishing returns. Again, having nothing more to go on than stats, is the 1600 SAT worth the sacrifice (as it no doubt comes at the expense of something else, perhaps something that may have made them a more attractive college candidate) or would 1400 have been sufficient?

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell seems to get the most impressive college acceptance results out of any DMV private school.
So if that is very important to you, you are better off sending your kids to Sidwell for HS rather than NCS

Just not true. Not to say they are not fine results but they don’t really stand out against the other great schools.

All they almost all had hooks,
3 Northwestern admits but all URM.
most Ivy admits had 2 hooks: legacy plus child of a VIP, URM plus legacy.
These kids were born on third base--Ivy is in their DNA; it didn't take Sidwell to get them there.

Too bad for the unhooked non URMs. Their ancestors (and parents) should have used their hook (white skin) when non URMs couldn’t. Then their children would also be legacies at these schools (shrug).

Being an urm minority is not a hook. Stop this narrative. If it were such a hook, these groups wouldn’t be underrepresented. Find someone else to blame and start with yourself.

It's a hook in that the standards are lower.

What standards are lower? The ones you can buy? College admissions teams can see through so called achievement bought by privilege, such as thousands of dollars spent on tutoring beginning in lower school and then of course SAT prep later on. They’re hip to the game and are no longer buying what you’re selling. Throwing around your money to give your kid a leg up in college admissions and then calling it merit is delusional. Admissions departments who care about equity are judging kids on their potential. What have they done with the cards they’ve been dealt? As much as you may not realize it in your privileged bubble, it takes a lot more to be top of the class in an inner city public b/c those kids are having to overcome a lot more environmental obstacles to achieve. It shows character and perseverance. That’s a much better indicator of success than grades inflated by years of tutoring and stacking the deck.

And the kids whose folks own a small business, work 90 hours a week at it to pull 60k per year (and make the kids throw in 15 hrs) yet the kids pull 4.0/1600/36, play a sport and and instrument and don’t get in? Your target audience is the easy one to go after. What about mine?

Step one would be to close down the business b/c 60k a year earned from 90 hrs a week is less than the minimum wage in dc. But, exaggerated story aside, I’d say dig deeper. Your kid needs to figure out what sets them apart. It’s not all about stats. It’s not a checklist.

The wage laws don’t apply to owners. It’s also not exaggerated. But I say, you should dig deeper bc the first generation kids I am talking about have hit every mark out before them. Why can’t others?

My point is the business doesn’t make good financial sense and the business owner in this scenario seems to be throwing good money after bad. There seems to be a flawed mindset in this scenario, shared by both parent and child, that hard work is all that matters. You can work hard at something and still fail. The child in this scenario should learn the phrases minimally acceptable and diminishing returns. Again, having nothing more to go on than stats, is the 1600 SAT worth the sacrifice (as it no doubt comes at the expense of something else, perhaps something that may have made them a more attractive college candidate) or would 1400 have been sufficient?

Your point is a silly opinion. Lots of business take years of work to become “overnight successes.” More importantly, the issue isnt the business, it’s the conditions in which the kid is subject to while getting the highest scores. A PP was trying to make the point “some kids have it harder” while not getting the same scores as the kids who have every advantage. Indeed, some kids do have it harder and also get better or the best scores.

The bigger point should be that hard work should be all that matters. The kid with the best stats and who had no advantages, hooks, etc should be rewarded, and the kids with less or the same (but with other supposed advantages) should not. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell seems to get the most impressive college acceptance results out of any DMV private school.
So if that is very important to you, you are better off sending your kids to Sidwell for HS rather than NCS

Just not true. Not to say they are not fine results but they don’t really stand out against the other great schools.

All they almost all had hooks,
3 Northwestern admits but all URM.
most Ivy admits had 2 hooks: legacy plus child of a VIP, URM plus legacy.
These kids were born on third base--Ivy is in their DNA; it didn't take Sidwell to get them there.

Too bad for the unhooked non URMs. Their ancestors (and parents) should have used their hook (white skin) when non URMs couldn’t. Then their children would also be legacies at these schools (shrug).

Being an urm minority is not a hook. Stop this narrative. If it were such a hook, these groups wouldn’t be underrepresented. Find someone else to blame and start with yourself.

It's a hook in that the standards are lower.

What standards are lower? The ones you can buy? College admissions teams can see through so called achievement bought by privilege, such as thousands of dollars spent on tutoring beginning in lower school and then of course SAT prep later on. They’re hip to the game and are no longer buying what you’re selling. Throwing around your money to give your kid a leg up in college admissions and then calling it merit is delusional. Admissions departments who care about equity are judging kids on their potential. What have they done with the cards they’ve been dealt? As much as you may not realize it in your privileged bubble, it takes a lot more to be top of the class in an inner city public b/c those kids are having to overcome a lot more environmental obstacles to achieve. It shows character and perseverance. That’s a much better indicator of success than grades inflated by years of tutoring and stacking the deck.

And the kids whose folks own a small business, work 90 hours a week at it to pull 60k per year (and make the kids throw in 15 hrs) yet the kids pull 4.0/1600/36, play a sport and and instrument and don’t get in? Your target audience is the easy one to go after. What about mine?

Step one would be to close down the business b/c 60k a year earned from 90 hrs a week is less than the minimum wage in dc. But, exaggerated story aside, I’d say dig deeper. Your kid needs to figure out what sets them apart. It’s not all about stats. It’s not a checklist.

The wage laws don’t apply to owners. It’s also not exaggerated. But I say, you should dig deeper bc the first generation kids I am talking about have hit every mark out before them. Why can’t others?

My point is the business doesn’t make good financial sense and the business owner in this scenario seems to be throwing good money after bad. There seems to be a flawed mindset in this scenario, shared by both parent and child, that hard work is all that matters. You can work hard at something and still fail. The child in this scenario should learn the phrases minimally acceptable and diminishing returns. Again, having nothing more to go on than stats, is the 1600 SAT worth the sacrifice (as it no doubt comes at the expense of something else, perhaps something that may have made them a more attractive college candidate) or would 1400 have been sufficient?

Your point is a silly opinion. Lots of business take years of work to become “overnight successes.” More importantly, the issue isnt the business, it’s the conditions in which the kid is subject to while getting the highest scores. A PP was trying to make the point “some kids have it harder” while not getting the same scores as the kids who have every advantage. Indeed, some kids do have it harder and also get better or the best scores.

The bigger point should be that hard work should be all that matters. The kid with the best stats and who had no advantages, hooks, etc should be rewarded, and the kids with less or the same (but with other supposed advantages) should not. Period.

Work smarter not harder. The kid can learn it now or learn it later, but they will learn it. Stats get you looked at but they don’t get you in the door. Also not sure working in the family business on weekends qualifies as “having it hard”. This is a made up scenario so there’s also that. Funny that the poster is basically insinuating the urm took this kid’s spot and not the legacy polo player with the private tutor, 8k college consultant and $250 per hr essay reader. Nice try but find another scapegoat.

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell seems to get the most impressive college acceptance results out of any DMV private school.
So if that is very important to you, you are better off sending your kids to Sidwell for HS rather than NCS

Just not true. Not to say they are not fine results but they don’t really stand out against the other great schools.

All they almost all had hooks,
3 Northwestern admits but all URM.
most Ivy admits had 2 hooks: legacy plus child of a VIP, URM plus legacy.
These kids were born on third base--Ivy is in their DNA; it didn't take Sidwell to get them there.

Too bad for the unhooked non URMs. Their ancestors (and parents) should have used their hook (white skin) when non URMs couldn’t. Then their children would also be legacies at these schools (shrug).

Being an urm minority is not a hook. Stop this narrative. If it were such a hook, these groups wouldn’t be underrepresented. Find someone else to blame and start with yourself.

It's a hook in that the standards are lower.

What standards are lower? The ones you can buy? College admissions teams can see through so called achievement bought by privilege, such as thousands of dollars spent on tutoring beginning in lower school and then of course SAT prep later on. They’re hip to the game and are no longer buying what you’re selling. Throwing around your money to give your kid a leg up in college admissions and then calling it merit is delusional. Admissions departments who care about equity are judging kids on their potential. What have they done with the cards they’ve been dealt? As much as you may not realize it in your privileged bubble, it takes a lot more to be top of the class in an inner city public b/c those kids are having to overcome a lot more environmental obstacles to achieve. It shows character and perseverance. That’s a much better indicator of success than grades inflated by years of tutoring and stacking the deck.

And the kids whose folks own a small business, work 90 hours a week at it to pull 60k per year (and make the kids throw in 15 hrs) yet the kids pull 4.0/1600/36, play a sport and and instrument and don’t get in? Your target audience is the easy one to go after. What about mine?

Step one would be to close down the business b/c 60k a year earned from 90 hrs a week is less than the minimum wage in dc. But, exaggerated story aside, I’d say dig deeper. Your kid needs to figure out what sets them apart. It’s not all about stats. It’s not a checklist.

The wage laws don’t apply to owners. It’s also not exaggerated. But I say, you should dig deeper bc the first generation kids I am talking about have hit every mark out before them. Why can’t others?

My point is the business doesn’t make good financial sense and the business owner in this scenario seems to be throwing good money after bad. There seems to be a flawed mindset in this scenario, shared by both parent and child, that hard work is all that matters. You can work hard at something and still fail. The child in this scenario should learn the phrases minimally acceptable and diminishing returns. Again, having nothing more to go on than stats, is the 1600 SAT worth the sacrifice (as it no doubt comes at the expense of something else, perhaps something that may have made them a more attractive college candidate) or would 1400 have been sufficient?

Your point is a silly opinion. Lots of business take years of work to become “overnight successes.” More importantly, the issue isnt the business, it’s the conditions in which the kid is subject to while getting the highest scores. A PP was trying to make the point “some kids have it harder” while not getting the same scores as the kids who have every advantage. Indeed, some kids do have it harder and also get better or the best scores.

The bigger point should be that hard work should be all that matters. The kid with the best stats and who had no advantages, hooks, etc should be rewarded, and the kids with less or the same (but with other supposed advantages) should not. Period.

If you think college admissions is a reward for the best stats in high school then you’re looking for an admissions process that has never existed in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Sidwell seems to get the most impressive college acceptance results out of any DMV private school.
So if that is very important to you, you are better off sending your kids to Sidwell for HS rather than NCS

Just not true. Not to say they are not fine results but they don’t really stand out against the other great schools.

All they almost all had hooks,
3 Northwestern admits but all URM.
most Ivy admits had 2 hooks: legacy plus child of a VIP, URM plus legacy.
These kids were born on third base--Ivy is in their DNA; it didn't take Sidwell to get them there.

Too bad for the unhooked non URMs. Their ancestors (and parents) should have used their hook (white skin) when non URMs couldn’t. Then their children would also be legacies at these schools (shrug).

Being an urm minority is not a hook. Stop this narrative. If it were such a hook, these groups wouldn’t be underrepresented. Find someone else to blame and start with yourself.

It's a hook in that the standards are lower.

What standards are lower? The ones you can buy? College admissions teams can see through so called achievement bought by privilege, such as thousands of dollars spent on tutoring beginning in lower school and then of course SAT prep later on. They’re hip to the game and are no longer buying what you’re selling. Throwing around your money to give your kid a leg up in college admissions and then calling it merit is delusional. Admissions departments who care about equity are judging kids on their potential. What have they done with the cards they’ve been dealt? As much as you may not realize it in your privileged bubble, it takes a lot more to be top of the class in an inner city public b/c those kids are having to overcome a lot more environmental obstacles to achieve. It shows character and perseverance. That’s a much better indicator of success than grades inflated by years of tutoring and stacking the deck.

And the kids whose folks own a small business, work 90 hours a week at it to pull 60k per year (and make the kids throw in 15 hrs) yet the kids pull 4.0/1600/36, play a sport and and instrument and don’t get in? Your target audience is the easy one to go after. What about mine?

Step one would be to close down the business b/c 60k a year earned from 90 hrs a week is less than the minimum wage in dc. But, exaggerated story aside, I’d say dig deeper. Your kid needs to figure out what sets them apart. It’s not all about stats. It’s not a checklist.

The wage laws don’t apply to owners. It’s also not exaggerated. But I say, you should dig deeper bc the first generation kids I am talking about have hit every mark out before them. Why can’t others?

My point is the business doesn’t make good financial sense and the business owner in this scenario seems to be throwing good money after bad. There seems to be a flawed mindset in this scenario, shared by both parent and child, that hard work is all that matters. You can work hard at something and still fail. The child in this scenario should learn the phrases minimally acceptable and diminishing returns. Again, having nothing more to go on than stats, is the 1600 SAT worth the sacrifice (as it no doubt comes at the expense of something else, perhaps something that may have made them a more attractive college candidate) or would 1400 have been sufficient?

Your point is a silly opinion. Lots of business take years of work to become “overnight successes.” More importantly, the issue isnt the business, it’s the conditions in which the kid is subject to while getting the highest scores. A PP was trying to make the point “some kids have it harder” while not getting the same scores as the kids who have every advantage. Indeed, some kids do have it harder and also get better or the best scores.

The bigger point should be that hard work should be all that matters. The kid with the best stats and who had no advantages, hooks, etc should be rewarded, and the kids with less or the same (but with other supposed advantages) should not. Period.

If we had a national system of universities and a single uniform test, maybe it would be more like your idea of ideal.

But that’s not how it works here. In the US, we have multi-faceted ideas of merit, of talent, creativity, and achievement. Many universities are private, not publicly-funded and publicly-run. Even state universities differ in their characters from one another. The beauty is that as t there is an opportunity for “fit” to matter. If you want your and everyone else’s future determined by a single score on some (imperfect) scale, then there are better countries for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

+2 Glad to hear there are some girls getting into their top 15 ED choice that aren’t recruited athletes. The ONLY admits my daughter has heard of are athletes. Actually, she mentioned 3 or 4 U Chicago admits. Is that what you are talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

+2 Glad to hear there are some girls getting into their top 15 ED choice that aren’t recruited athletes. The ONLY admits my daughter has heard of are athletes. Actually, she mentioned 3 or 4 U Chicago admits. Is that what you are talking about?

If true, then 3-4 Chicago admits is very impressive. Chicago likes intellectual, smart, hardworking kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

Just 70-74 kids? That is a small class. I would prefer a bigger school for my daughter.
Why are folks so obsessed with NCS? Is St. Albans class size the same?