is grade deflation really hurting college admissions this year?

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

+2 Glad to hear there are some girls getting into their top 15 ED choice that aren’t recruited athletes. The ONLY admits my daughter has heard of are athletes. Actually, she mentioned 3 or 4 U Chicago admits. Is that what you are talking about?

Nope. You are so nosy. If girls want to tell they will. Some prefer to keep it to their friend group.

I disagree. No one who gets into top schools wants to keep it to themselves.
When they are disappointed, yes, the inclination is to keep it to themselves.

Some kids choose not to shout it from the rooftops that they’re going to their dream school the day after their friends got the opposite news.

The way it works now which I’m sure you know is that you tell your closest friends and then they post on instagram - yay, I’m so happy my friend just got into Harvard. Congrats to Kayla! She killed it! And then the news spreads like wildfire

My kid rolls their eyes at Instagram, so.

Good for your kids I guess but that is very unusual. Most kids are on instagram.

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

+2 Glad to hear there are some girls getting into their top 15 ED choice that aren’t recruited athletes. The ONLY admits my daughter has heard of are athletes. Actually, she mentioned 3 or 4 U Chicago admits. Is that what you are talking about?

Nope. You are so nosy. If girls want to tell they will. Some prefer to keep it to their friend group.

I disagree. No one who gets into top schools wants to keep it to themselves.
When they are disappointed, yes, the inclination is to keep it to themselves.

Some kids choose not to shout it from the rooftops that they’re going to their dream school the day after their friends got the opposite news.

The way it works now which I’m sure you know is that you tell your closest friends and then they post on instagram - yay, I’m so happy my friend just got into Harvard. Congrats to Kayla! She killed it! And then the news spreads like wildfire

My kid rolls their eyes at Instagram, so.

Good for your kids I guess but that is very unusual. Most kids are on instagram.

Yes, they don’t actually post like adults do. They use the stories. That is where they congratulate their friends on getting into certain schools. That is where my DD finds out where everyone is going to college. I think they also post on Snapchat stories.

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Anonymous wrote:After ten years of looking at this, I don't think big state schools really care enough to really be "aware" of this. 3.7 is a great gpa at the DMV top privates but it still looks shabby compared to the number of 4.3+ floating around from public schools. And there is nothing wrong with the way publics grade - it is just different. But sometimes its just easier to rely on the fact that 4.3 is higher than 3.7.

Lots of top colleges dont care about Wash dC private schools, their grade deflation or their Go Deep /Don’t cover much mantras. Plus the weeks of social agenda classes on the transcript.

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Anonymous wrote:After ten years of looking at this, I don't think big state schools really care enough to really be "aware" of this. 3.7 is a great gpa at the DMV top privates but it still looks shabby compared to the number of 4.3+ floating around from public schools. And there is nothing wrong with the way publics grade - it is just different. But sometimes its just easier to rely on the fact that 4.3 is higher than 3.7.

Lots of top colleges dont care about Wash dC private schools, their grade deflation or their Go Deep /Don’t cover much mantras. Plus the weeks of social agenda classes on the transcript.

These are completely different scales. Colleges convert all gpas to a common scale in order to compare. A 4.3 on a 5 pt scale is actually lower than a 3.7 on a 4pt scale. Isn’t anyone else tired of all the hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:After ten years of looking at this, I don't think big state schools really care enough to really be "aware" of this. 3.7 is a great gpa at the DMV top privates but it still looks shabby compared to the number of 4.3+ floating around from public schools. And there is nothing wrong with the way publics grade - it is just different. But sometimes its just easier to rely on the fact that 4.3 is higher than 3.7.

Lots of top colleges dont care about Wash dC private schools, their grade deflation or their Go Deep /Don’t cover much mantras. Plus the weeks of social agenda classes on the transcript.

These are completely different scales. Colleges convert all gpas to a common scale in order to compare. A 4.3 on a 5 pt scale is actually lower than a 3.7 on a 4pt scale. Isn’t anyone else tired of all the hyperbole.

And most colleges still won’t care about the forced curve at some DC area private schools. The point remains many top students won’t be getting the small handful of top grades in most of their classes, they are curved DOWN. The distribution is not the same as other private or public schools and the students suffer.

Ask your private school how many TRANSFER applicants they handle each year from the preceding year’s graduates. Get 10 years of annual numbers and percentages there and report back.

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Anonymous wrote:After ten years of looking at this, I don't think big state schools really care enough to really be "aware" of this. 3.7 is a great gpa at the DMV top privates but it still looks shabby compared to the number of 4.3+ floating around from public schools. And there is nothing wrong with the way publics grade - it is just different. But sometimes its just easier to rely on the fact that 4.3 is higher than 3.7.

Lots of top colleges dont care about Wash dC private schools, their grade deflation or their Go Deep /Don’t cover much mantras. Plus the weeks of social agenda classes on the transcript.

These are completely different scales. Colleges convert all gpas to a common scale in order to compare. A 4.3 on a 5 pt scale is actually lower than a 3.7 on a 4pt scale. Isn’t anyone else tired of all the hyperbole.

Subjective grading and hyperbole is all that’s left if you’re not sitting for AP tests or submitting ACT or SAT scores.

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And don’t forget that WDC’s definition of a “good k-12 school” is solely based on college admittances. Just don’t include the comorbid data like recruited athlete, big donor legacy, URM, or all of the above.

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I think AP scores would help rather than hurt private school students. Also helpful when applying to the UK and Canada.
Too bad, private schools decided to get rid of AP classes. Maybe Harvard, Yale, Columbia, etc., don’t care but it would have helped at big state schools like UVA, Michigan and Wisconsin. At least WIS still has the IB program.

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The private kids still take the AP exams, just not the classes.

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

+2 Glad to hear there are some girls getting into their top 15 ED choice that aren’t recruited athletes. The ONLY admits my daughter has heard of are athletes. Actually, she mentioned 3 or 4 U Chicago admits. Is that what you are talking about?

Nope. You are so nosy. If girls want to tell they will. Some prefer to keep it to their friend group.

I disagree. No one who gets into top schools wants to keep it to themselves.
When they are disappointed, yes, the inclination is to keep it to themselves.

Clearly you are wrong!! I know for sure of several NCS girls that have been accepted both ED and EA to top 15 schools. Several. No they are not posting about it and neither are their friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Check back on this board come March/April, when regular admits are announced. I think you'll find that students at schools such as NCS did absolutely fine. What you're witnessing here is a bunch of posts from a few handwringing parents who are upset that Larlo didn't get admitted to MIT EA/ED.

I agree that it will be interesting to see how this all turns out but if you were paying attention you would know that we're not talking about MIT or the Ivies.
Less than 10% of the NCS ED apps were successful and many rejections were from schools ranked 50-150. THAT is why parents are concerned.

Curious as to where you got this 10% figure. My kid at a different private and college office would never release. Sure I could speculate (and do some napkin math) but I have no way of knowing who was accepted where, let alone who was rejected. I know kids talk so everyone hears some but it can’t be the full picture.

It's just napkin math but the kids talk and there are only 70 of them. Sure, there are a few who fly under the social radar but not many. These schools are all about the community. Also, the kids know who the top students are. I know some parent will come on here and say that their kid never talked to anyone during their 4 years of high school and matriculated to Princeton completely under the radar but this wound be highly unusual in 2022.

Clearly you don’t know what your u are talking about. There are not 70 kids in the grade. You have no one to blame but the colleges making these decisions. Btw I know of several girls this year that did get into their ED and all are top 15. Clearly they are not sharing that with you.

isn't this class in the low 70s? Are you really quibbling over 74 vs 70 kids?

+2 Glad to hear there are some girls getting into their top 15 ED choice that aren’t recruited athletes. The ONLY admits my daughter has heard of are athletes. Actually, she mentioned 3 or 4 U Chicago admits. Is that what you are talking about?

Nope. You are so nosy. If girls want to tell they will. Some prefer to keep it to their friend group.

I disagree. No one who gets into top schools wants to keep it to themselves.
When they are disappointed, yes, the inclination is to keep it to themselves.

Clearly you are wrong!! I know for sure of several NCS girls that have been accepted both ED and EA to top 15 schools. Several. No they are not posting about it and neither are their friends.

I don’t believe this. Maybe 1 or 2 don’t post but it would be weird to hide it. No way is this true.

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Anonymous wrote:The private kids still take the AP exams, just not the classes.

That is just dumb. More pressure on the kids to study independently for AP exams.
Private schools appear to have overplayed their hand. I’m glad my youngest kid is a senior and we are leaving this ridiculous system.
Parents are just lemmings who blindly follow along and repeat whatever nonsense their school feeds them

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Maybe but judging from the strong college placement at DC’s private, the APs really don’t matter

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Anonymous wrote:The private kids still take the AP exams, just not the classes.

That is just dumb. More pressure on the kids to study independently for AP exams.
Private schools appear to have overplayed their hand. I’m glad my youngest kid is a senior and we are leaving this ridiculous system.
Parents are just lemmings who blindly follow along and repeat whatever nonsense their school feeds them

Most high school classes at DC independents might not bear the AP designation, but they teach students what they need to know on the AP exams. What these schools do not do, though, is teach to the test or teach their students various strategies for taking standardized exams. As for the rest of your post, do you always speak in hyperbole?

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Anonymous wrote:The private kids still take the AP exams, just not the classes.

That is just dumb. More pressure on the kids to study independently for AP exams.
Private schools appear to have overplayed their hand. I’m glad my youngest kid is a senior and we are leaving this ridiculous system.
Parents are just lemmings who blindly follow along and repeat whatever nonsense their school feeds them

Look in the mirror lady. You sent at least two kids through.