There Needs to Be Enforced Equity Among PTA's

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Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

You could screw up some DCC elementary schools and maybe Walter Johnson but that’s about it. Schools like Woodlin and Sligo creek Elementaries could become radically different schools with tiny adjustments due to their legacy gerrymandering. Piney Branch and so on, good luck with Carderrock, you’re just going to pull in different millionaires.

Holy smokes I just looked up Sligo Creek's FARMs rate, There is no way such a low level should exist for that school so close to Manchester and Wyane Ave. That needs to be addressed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

Exactly, the Wooton boundary is an excellent example of gerrymandering. 90% of those assigned to it are closer to another high-school and there's an island. It makes no sense geographically.

Yes, these artificial boundaries created to keep poors out.

[Anonymous]

Why do you have to be part of county PTA? They could join state PTA, or make a PTO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

You could screw up some DCC elementary schools and maybe Walter Johnson but that’s about it. Schools like Woodlin and Sligo creek Elementaries could become radically different schools with tiny adjustments due to their legacy gerrymandering. Piney Branch and so on, good luck with Carderrock, you’re just going to pull in different millionaires.

Holy smokes I just looked up Sligo Creek's FARMs rate, There is no way such a low level should exist for that school so close to Manchester and Wyane Ave. That needs to be addressed

It's skewed by a large percentage of the school being in the French Immersion program, bussed from other clusters including Whitman, BCC, and WJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you have to be part of county PTA? They could join state PTA, or make a PTO.

You cannot just join the state PTA, but that's what happened and a PTO was formed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

[Anonymous]

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Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

This. The only schools "denied" (and I would argue delayed) are those who are not in compliance, or who have not followed the guidelines from the state and local organizations.

Delayed, because if they come in compliance, or do choose to follow the guidelines from the state PTA and MCCPTA, they will be admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

So, why are the other schools not included?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

This. The only schools "denied" (and I would argue delayed) are those who are not in compliance, or who have not followed the guidelines from the state and local organizations.

Delayed, because if they come in compliance, or do choose to follow the guidelines from the state PTA and MCCPTA, they will be admitted.

Not true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

So, why are the other schools not included?

Ask them. Most likely no one picked up the baton or they haven't put their organization together properly yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

So, why are the other schools not included?

Ask them. Most likely no one picked up the baton or they haven't put their organization together properly yet.

Yes, our school did ask many times. They gave up and did a PTO. You must be MCCPTA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

So, why are the other schools not included?

Ask them. Most likely no one picked up the baton or they haven't put their organization together properly yet.

Yes, our school did ask many times. They gave up and did a PTO. You must be MCCPTA.

What’s the benefit of being PTA? What’s the downside or upside of NOT being PTA? Is it like National versus local fraternities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

So, why are the other schools not included?

Ask them. Most likely no one picked up the baton or they haven't put their organization together properly yet.

Yes, our school did ask many times. They gave up and did a PTO. You must be MCCPTA.

if you can't get your paperwork in properly...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.

Anonymous wrote:That's impressive. Most of MCPS are members:
https://www.mccpta.org/local-pt-s-a-units.html

So 194 of 210 MCPS schools are members. Try harder.

So, why are the other schools not included?

Ask them. Most likely no one picked up the baton or they haven't put their organization together properly yet.

Yes, our school did ask many times. They gave up and did a PTO. You must be MCCPTA.

if you can't get your paperwork in properly...

What are you talking about?