There Needs to Be Enforced Equity Among PTA's

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

Ummm...I ran a PTA where there were barely 6 parents who did anything. I effectively fulfilled most of the roles and it did not take too much of my time because I had things in place during summer for the whole year. Of course, when I left the PTA collapsed but that is not the point. The point is that while my children were in that school, they got a PTA that provided opportunities for them. Good enough for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

Ummm...I ran a PTA where there were barely 6 parents who did anything. I effectively fulfilled most of the roles and it did not take too much of my time because I had things in place during summer for the whole year. Of course, when I left the PTA collapsed but that is not the point. The point is that while my children were in that school, they got a PTA that provided opportunities for them. Good enough for me.

And, ummm..., I think you made the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

This is BS. MCCPTA, although heavily tilted towards SS, does advocate for ALL children. And ALL PTAs are welcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

This is BS. MCCPTA, although heavily tilted towards SS, does advocate for ALL children. And ALL PTAs are welcome.

No, it does not. They have refused ptas to schools that don’t have them.

[Anonymous]

Are you okay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

You could screw up some DCC elementary schools and maybe Walter Johnson but that’s about it. Schools like Woodlin and Sligo creek Elementaries could become radically different schools with tiny adjustments due to their legacy gerrymandering. Piney Branch and so on, good luck with Carderrock, you’re just going to pull in different millionaires.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

Yes and he clearly ridiculous wotton boundary where 90% are closer to another high school is a great place to start.

[Anonymous]

I didn't understand why this thread was even created, but now it's clear. The clown (yes clown) trying to get her kid into a different school is back. Lady, just move already!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't understand why this thread was even created, but now it's clear. The clown (yes clown) trying to get her kid into a different school is back. Lady, just move already!

This thread was created so ptas aren’t giving money to mcps employees. I’m not even sure what asinine rant you’re on about but just know you’re wrong. (Sounds like you are about most things in life)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't understand why this thread was even created, but now it's clear. The clown (yes clown) trying to get her kid into a different school is back. Lady, just move already!

Jesus Christ. MoCo truly is hopeless isn’t it? I’m not even sure you’re capable of reading comprehension, but most folks posting here absolutely don’t want their kids switching schools. Probably because they don’t want to have to deal with other parents like yourself or whatever offspring you created.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In what world is a parent Association not a reflection of the quality of parents? It seems like a fools errand to prop up a group that
Can’t or won’t contribute themselves.

Exactly that's why diversity busing is the only viable solution.

That isn't a viable solution. You can't make rich parents go where they don't want to. All you can do is bus poor kids around. You can create carrot programs where rich, high achievers opt into and agree to be bussed to poorer schools which the county already does with the Magnet. But then the poor schools complain about the good stuff only going to the rich kids and demand they water down the selection requirements to allow poorer kids to access these carrot programs which defeats their original charter. At some point parents of lesser means will have to accept that the county can't endlessly supplement their kids to emulate an affluent upbringing. What next are the middle class parents going to have to pay for the poor kids to take the foreign travel trips in middle and high school, block the rich kids from driving their cars to school because not all the kids can afford them, force the back yard pool parties to invite the band kids? At what point are people responsible for their own arrangements and knowing that equality of outcome isn't a thing in the real world.

Actually, you can by creating fair boundaries that represent actual communities and put an end to the longterm gerrymandering that have created this culture of haves and have nots.

There is no good way to do it and you assume that the lower income school families WANT to be at the richer schools and want to go to those schools and some of us picked so our kids would not be in those schools.

Wrong! Lower-income communities exist near wealthier ones today and simply adjusting existing boundaries would greatly improve the socioeconomic diversity within MCPS

Exactly, the Wooton boundary is an excellent example of gerrymandering. 90% of those assigned to it are closer to another high-school and there's an island. It makes no sense geographically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:$1 per member goes to MoCo's MCCPTA. Maryland and National PTAs get $4.25 per member.

If you're curious, here's the MCCPTA IRS report from 2018 (the latest I could find):
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/display_990/526070569/12_2019_prefixes_48-54%2F526070569_201906_990EZ_2019122616976328

They have a budget of $40 or $50K a year to advocate for 160K students. That's about the salary of one (experienced) para. Seems a pretty good deal.

That's actually a pretty big budget and sadly, they don't advocate for all and are very exclusionary. Not all schools have a PTA or are welcomed in.

No, it's not a big budget for an organization its size. And any school's PTA in MCPS would be part of the MCCPTA as well as the state and national umbrella groups. Whether a school chooses to have a PTA is up to the school parents to organize. A ton of volunteer time is needed; not all schools have parents able or willing to invest that time.

MCCPTA has to agree for a school to be apart of them. They have not welcome all schools.

Name a school that followed the PTA process (it's a national organization with clear guidelines, not just MoCo) and was denied access.

Our school is not and several others as well. Look at the pta lust and figure it out. Our school was denied entry last year and we are a PTO instead.