NCS college admissions if kid is not a legacy, URM, or athletic recruit

[Anonymous]

To the original inquiry. There’s no meaningful way to ask or measure your concern, OP. There are no control children to compare the outcomes too. Rest assured that those children that got into the ivies and the top ranked schools from public are also exceptional and likely have “hooks” also. Your concern that the outcomes are worse for NCS students are not supported by data - who are you comparing? It’s apples to oranges. And if you extrapolate out class size, some amount of the kids in public are not attending four year schools at all, which is a rarity at NCS. Also, how do you account for the fact that many of the NCS grads would not have gone to any college or the ones they got into but for their NCS education? You can’t and don’t. It’s meaningless clap trap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[Recruited athletes are at the bottom of the barrel for academic ratings.

Whether or not this is true -- and it almost certainly isn't, because I know for a fact that plenty of recruited athletes graduated with better grades than non-athlete me at our HYPS school -- is beside the point.

Clearly we disagree about whether recruited athletes add value to a university. You say no, I say yes. No one is claiming that you can't have that opinion.

The boards of trustees running colleges and universities in this country stand overwhelmingly on the side of recruited athletes adding value. Those like you who want things to be a different way, have at it. The free market has spoken.

Free market? Ha ha. None of these schools would survive 10 mins without government funding.

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And universities don’t pay any real estate taxes on their massive land capital holdings

For the same reason (govt funding) the fact they they can get away with legacy privilege in admissions is nearly criminal..

Yeah...it's too bad there is a little thing called freedom of association under the First Amendment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[Recruited athletes are at the bottom of the barrel for academic ratings.

Whether or not this is true -- and it almost certainly isn't, because I know for a fact that plenty of recruited athletes graduated with better grades than non-athlete me at our HYPS school -- is beside the point.

Clearly we disagree about whether recruited athletes add value to a university. You say no, I say yes. No one is claiming that you can't have that opinion.

The boards of trustees running colleges and universities in this country stand overwhelmingly on the side of recruited athletes adding value. Those like you who want things to be a different way, have at it. The free market has spoken.

Free market? Ha ha. None of these schools would survive 10 mins without government funding.

m

And universities don’t pay any real estate taxes on their massive land capital holdings

For the same reason (govt funding) the fact they they can get away with legacy privilege in admissions is nearly criminal..

Yeah...it's too bad there is a little thing called freedom of association under the First Amendment.

A constitutional right to college admissions? Okay, got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[Recruited athletes are at the bottom of the barrel for academic ratings.

Whether or not this is true -- and it almost certainly isn't, because I know for a fact that plenty of recruited athletes graduated with better grades than non-athlete me at our HYPS school -- is beside the point.

Clearly we disagree about whether recruited athletes add value to a university. You say no, I say yes. No one is claiming that you can't have that opinion.

The boards of trustees running colleges and universities in this country stand overwhelmingly on the side of recruited athletes adding value. Those like you who want things to be a different way, have at it. The free market has spoken.

Free market? Ha ha. None of these schools would survive 10 mins without government funding.

m

And universities don’t pay any real estate taxes on their massive land capital holdings

For the same reason (govt funding) the fact they they can get away with legacy privilege in admissions is nearly criminal..

Yeah...it's too bad there is a little thing called freedom of association under the First Amendment.

A constitutional right to college admissions? Okay, got it.

You are so bitter. What the hell happened to you?! I think you are a student th at is probably brilliant and unfairly got shut out of an Ivy. You have to let this go. You sound so bitter. I really mean this that your time to shine will happen when it is the right time. Seriously let this go and go meditate or go for a walk on this beautiful day. I promise good things are coming but you have to let go of this stuff to make room for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A constitutional right to college admissions? Okay, got it.

Wow, you really don't understand the First Amendment. I believe PP was referring to the constitutional right to be free from government interference regarding free association. Or are you suggesting that colleges should be legally compelled in how they make admissions decisions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[Recruited athletes are at the bottom of the barrel for academic ratings.

Whether or not this is true -- and it almost certainly isn't, because I know for a fact that plenty of recruited athletes graduated with better grades than non-athlete me at our HYPS school -- is beside the point.

Clearly we disagree about whether recruited athletes add value to a university. You say no, I say yes. No one is claiming that you can't have that opinion.

The boards of trustees running colleges and universities in this country stand overwhelmingly on the side of recruited athletes adding value. Those like you who want things to be a different way, have at it. The free market has spoken.

Free market? Ha ha. None of these schools would survive 10 mins without government funding.

m

And universities don’t pay any real estate taxes on their massive land capital holdings

For the same reason (govt funding) the fact they they can get away with legacy privilege in admissions is nearly criminal..

Yeah...it's too bad there is a little thing called freedom of association under the First Amendment.

A constitutional right to college admissions? Okay, got it.

You are so bitter. What the hell happened to you?! I think you are a student th at is probably brilliant and unfairly got shut out of an Ivy. You have to let this go. You sound so bitter. I really mean this that your time to shine will happen when it is the right time. Seriously let this go and go meditate or go for a walk on this beautiful day. I promise good things are coming but you have to let go of this stuff to make room for them.

This!

[Anonymous]

Honestly looking through the Instagram, I was floored. 6 out of the 8 Ivies (AND Stanford). Lots of solid LACs like Pomona, Middlebury and Davidson. People on this board are something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly looking through the Instagram, I was floored. 6 out of the 8 Ivies (AND Stanford). Lots of solid LACs like Pomona, Middlebury and Davidson. People on this board are something else.

Me too. Is is a very impressive list. The op is very bitter and it is sad.

[Anonymous]

Yes and there are a few other great schools that a few girls have not listed. Some Ivy’s.
Who can blame them, it seems not matter what these girls achieve it is somehow not good enough.
No wonder these kids are stressed. I am feeling a lot of sympathy for OP’s daughter at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A constitutional right to college admissions? Okay, got it.

Wow, you really don't understand the First Amendment. I believe PP was referring to the constitutional right to be free from government interference regarding free association. Or are you suggesting that colleges should be legally compelled in how they make admissions decisions?

You will find that people here do actually believe that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes and there are a few other great schools that a few girls have not listed. Some Ivy’s.
Who can blame them, it seems not matter what these girls achieve it is somehow not good enough.
No wonder these kids are stressed. I am feeling a lot of sympathy for OP’s daughter at this point.

For the love, this thread was not knocking the college admissions of NCS kids but rather trying to determine if any of the highly ranked colleges admitted girls solely based on academic achievement — or rather if you also needed to be athletic recruit, URM or legacy. I think it was determined that most girls did indeed have the other factor.

There was also another question about whether academic girls (without hooks) were getting into other schools that are highly regarded (I think there was a list somewhere) such as Notre Dame or Northwestern… this devolved into a thread about the terror and inaccuracy of the ranking system and the moral bankruptcy and idiocy of anyone who cares or relies on such rankings. We never got an answer as best as I could tell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly looking through the Instagram, I was floored. 6 out of the 8 Ivies (AND Stanford). Lots of solid LACs like Pomona, Middlebury and Davidson. People on this board are something else.

Me too. Is is a very impressive list. The op is very bitter and it is sad.

This list is so-so. Not that distinctive from other posted results in this area. Infact, not very distinctive at all. Several of the public and a few private schools had more distinctive lists this year.

[Anonymous]

It grows tougher each year for girls and increasingly for white students applying ED as competitive schools try to engineer their diversity when they can through ED. NCS has an abundance of both and so just by holding steady, it has done well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes and there are a few other great schools that a few girls have not listed. Some Ivy’s.
Who can blame them, it seems not matter what these girls achieve it is somehow not good enough.
No wonder these kids are stressed. I am feeling a lot of sympathy for OP’s daughter at this point.

For the love, this thread was not knocking the college admissions of NCS kids but rather trying to determine if any of the highly ranked colleges admitted girls solely based on academic achievement — or rather if you also needed to be athletic recruit, URM or legacy. I think it was determined that most girls did indeed have the other factor.

There was also another question about whether academic girls (without hooks) were getting into other schools that are highly regarded (I think there was a list somewhere) such as Notre Dame or Northwestern… this devolved into a thread about the terror and inaccuracy of the ranking system and the moral bankruptcy and idiocy of anyone who cares or relies on such rankings. We never got an answer as best as I could tell.

OP, please read what you wrote in your original post. Here's a snippet: I'm getting freaked out by the schools that girls outside of the above categories are attending.

It was a mean and derogatory post about the colleges that many of your child's schoolmates are attending, that simply aren't good enough for your child. You mentioned how hard she works, to clearly imply that the girls with "hooks" don't have to to work as hard. You started it. You cannot come on here claiming a different intent. Your daughter has to work hard to get good grades and doesn't have the interest or stamina to do that and play sports. Fine, but don't criticize the girls who can do both.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly looking through the Instagram, I was floored. 6 out of the 8 Ivies (AND Stanford). Lots of solid LACs like Pomona, Middlebury and Davidson. People on this board are something else.

Me too. Is is a very impressive list. The op is very bitter and it is sad.

This list is so-so. Not that distinctive from other posted results in this area. Infact, not very distinctive at all. Several of the public and a few private schools had more distinctive lists this year.

I am so sick of people who think this way.