“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:I know I'm in the minority on DCUM but I think this is good news and I hope it comes to pass.

You're in the minority full stop.

The vast majority of Americans do not believe the government should be making health care decisions for you.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority on DCUM. And abortion is not a "health care decision," in the vast majority of cases.

Choosing not to give birth, which is statistically more dangerous than having an abortion, is a “health care decision” in every effing case.

Then don't get yourself pregnant. Problem solved.

Nobody gets themselves pregnant.

Clumsily worded but point remains. If you have such a health care issue with giving birth, then see to it that you don't get pregnant.

My “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. We had been trying for years and desperately wanted that to be a healthy pregnancy. I begged the doctor to find a way to make it work.
An acquaintance’s “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when her (very much wanted, planned for, IVF) baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition that also impacted her health and future ability to carry another pregnancy. She found out during a routine ultrasound at 19 weeks.
A college friend’s health care issue” with giving birth was the additional mental trauma that would result from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that was caused by rape. A rape she could only remember in flashbacks, because the guy had slipped rohypnol into her drink at a party. She was suicidal already before she even learned about the pregnancy. Thank God for Planned Parenthood.

In all three cases, most states allow abortion. Rare and legal.

Ohio state legislators drafted a bill that would send doctors to jail if they didn’t implant an ectopic pregnancy into the uterus, a feat that is medically impossible.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I'm in the minority on DCUM but I think this is good news and I hope it comes to pass.

You're in the minority full stop.

The vast majority of Americans do not believe the government should be making health care decisions for you.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority on DCUM. And abortion is not a "health care decision," in the vast majority of cases.

Choosing not to give birth, which is statistically more dangerous than having an abortion, is a “health care decision” in every effing case.

Then don't get yourself pregnant. Problem solved.

Nobody gets themselves pregnant.

Clumsily worded but point remains. If you have such a health care issue with giving birth, then see to it that you don't get pregnant.

My “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. We had been trying for years and desperately wanted that to be a healthy pregnancy. I begged the doctor to find a way to make it work.
An acquaintance’s “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when her (very much wanted, planned for, IVF) baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition that also impacted her health and future ability to carry another pregnancy. She found out during a routine ultrasound at 19 weeks.
A college friend’s health care issue” with giving birth was the additional mental trauma that would result from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that was caused by rape. A rape she could only remember in flashbacks, because the guy had slipped rohypnol into her drink at a party. She was suicidal already before she even learned about the pregnancy. Thank God for Planned Parenthood.

In all three cases, most states allow abortion. Rare and legal.

Which states will still “allow” it after Roe falls? What documentation will someone need to provide to their doctor, their hospital, their friendly local prosecutor, once new laws are in place?

I'm the PP who had an ectopic. This, precisely. Several states have already outlawed in cases of rape.

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Anonymous wrote:They can't force people to give birth. The fight for legal abortions has to start over. Shame on this court

They can let women die, like Savita Halapanavar in Ireland.

JFC. There are no individual states in Ireland. There are counties that must follow the country laws. This is why you WANT state decisions.

And you have individual states here poised to outlaw abortion. You honestly think a similar situation couldn't happen in one of those states?

We have 50 states.

So, just encourage those women to cross state lines to seek out health care. Ok. Totally reasonable. Super easy, I'm sure.

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Anonymous wrote:They can't force people to give birth. The fight for legal abortions has to start over. Shame on this court

They can let women die, like Savita Halapanavar in Ireland.

JFC. There are no individual states in Ireland. There are counties that must follow the country laws. This is why you WANT state decisions.

And you have individual states here poised to outlaw abortion. You honestly think a similar situation couldn't happen in one of those states?

We have 50 states.

So what’s OK on some of them for you?

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Anonymous wrote:I know I'm in the minority on DCUM but I think this is good news and I hope it comes to pass.

You're in the minority full stop.

The vast majority of Americans do not believe the government should be making health care decisions for you.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority on DCUM. And abortion is not a "health care decision," in the vast majority of cases.

Choosing not to give birth, which is statistically more dangerous than having an abortion, is a “health care decision” in every effing case.

Then don't get yourself pregnant. Problem solved.

Nobody gets themselves pregnant.

Clumsily worded but point remains. If you have such a health care issue with giving birth, then see to it that you don't get pregnant.

My “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. We had been trying for years and desperately wanted that to be a healthy pregnancy. I begged the doctor to find a way to make it work.
An acquaintance’s “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when her (very much wanted, planned for, IVF) baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition that also impacted her health and future ability to carry another pregnancy. She found out during a routine ultrasound at 19 weeks.
A college friend’s health care issue” with giving birth was the additional mental trauma that would result from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that was caused by rape. A rape she could only remember in flashbacks, because the guy had slipped rohypnol into her drink at a party. She was suicidal already before she even learned about the pregnancy. Thank God for Planned Parenthood.

In all three cases, most states allow abortion. Rare and legal.

Which states will still “allow” it after Roe falls? What documentation will someone need to provide to their doctor, their hospital, their friendly local prosecutor, once new laws are in place?

Speculation doesn’t count.

Coward.

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Anonymous wrote:I know I'm in the minority on DCUM but I think this is good news and I hope it comes to pass.

You're in the minority full stop.

The vast majority of Americans do not believe the government should be making health care decisions for you.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority on DCUM. And abortion is not a "health care decision," in the vast majority of cases.

Choosing not to give birth, which is statistically more dangerous than having an abortion, is a “health care decision” in every effing case.

Then don't get yourself pregnant. Problem solved.

Nobody gets themselves pregnant.

Clumsily worded but point remains. If you have such a health care issue with giving birth, then see to it that you don't get pregnant.

My “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. We had been trying for years and desperately wanted that to be a healthy pregnancy. I begged the doctor to find a way to make it work.
An acquaintance’s “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when her (very much wanted, planned for, IVF) baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition that also impacted her health and future ability to carry another pregnancy. She found out during a routine ultrasound at 19 weeks.
A college friend’s health care issue” with giving birth was the additional mental trauma that would result from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that was caused by rape. A rape she could only remember in flashbacks, because the guy had slipped rohypnol into her drink at a party. She was suicidal already before she even learned about the pregnancy. Thank God for Planned Parenthood.

In all three cases, most states allow abortion. Rare and legal.

Ohio state legislators drafted a bill that would send doctors to jail if they didn’t implant an ectopic pregnancy into the uterus, a feat that is medically impossible.

HB413 in the Ohio Legislature includes a provision that doctors must attempt to "reimplant" ectopic pregnancies in a woman's uterus if applicable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can't force people to give birth. The fight for legal abortions has to start over. Shame on this court

They can let women die, like Savita Halapanavar in Ireland.

JFC. There are no individual states in Ireland. There are counties that must follow the country laws. This is why you WANT state decisions.

And you have individual states here poised to outlaw abortion. You honestly think a similar situation couldn't happen in one of those states?

We have 50 states.

So, just encourage those women to cross state lines to seek out health care. Ok. Totally reasonable. Super easy, I'm sure.

Yes, in some cases they will have to cross state lines. People are crossing our border in droves and it’s not super easy for them to get to that point. But they do it. Again, in droves. Where there’s a will there’s a way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know I'm in the minority on DCUM but I think this is good news and I hope it comes to pass.

You're in the minority full stop.

The vast majority of Americans do not believe the government should be making health care decisions for you.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority on DCUM. And abortion is not a "health care decision," in the vast majority of cases.

Choosing not to give birth, which is statistically more dangerous than having an abortion, is a “health care decision” in every effing case.

Then don't get yourself pregnant. Problem solved.

Nobody gets themselves pregnant.

Clumsily worded but point remains. If you have such a health care issue with giving birth, then see to it that you don't get pregnant.

My “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. We had been trying for years and desperately wanted that to be a healthy pregnancy. I begged the doctor to find a way to make it work.
An acquaintance’s “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when her (very much wanted, planned for, IVF) baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition that also impacted her health and future ability to carry another pregnancy. She found out during a routine ultrasound at 19 weeks.
A college friend’s health care issue” with giving birth was the additional mental trauma that would result from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that was caused by rape. A rape she could only remember in flashbacks, because the guy had slipped rohypnol into her drink at a party. She was suicidal already before she even learned about the pregnancy. Thank God for Planned Parenthood.

In all three cases, most states allow abortion. Rare and legal.

Ohio state legislators drafted a bill that would send doctors to jail if they didn’t implant an ectopic pregnancy into the uterus, a feat that is medically impossible.

HB413 in the Ohio Legislature includes a provision that doctors must attempt to "reimplant" ectopic pregnancies in a woman's uterus if applicable.

More than half of Republicans don’t think the current President actually won the presidential election. Do you trust these people to parse “applicable”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They can't force people to give birth. The fight for legal abortions has to start over. Shame on this court

They can let women die, like Savita Halapanavar in Ireland.

JFC. There are no individual states in Ireland. There are counties that must follow the country laws. This is why you WANT state decisions.

And you have individual states here poised to outlaw abortion. You honestly think a similar situation couldn't happen in one of those states?

We have 50 states.

So, just encourage those women to cross state lines to seek out health care. Ok. Totally reasonable. Super easy, I'm sure.

Yes, in some cases they will have to cross state lines. People are crossing our border in droves and it’s not super easy for them to get to that point. But they do it. Again, in droves. Where there’s a will there’s a way

And I'm sure none of these pro-life movements have given any thought to criminalizing those who may seek an out of state abortion. They'll be perfectly fine with that, right?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know I'm in the minority on DCUM but I think this is good news and I hope it comes to pass.

You're in the minority full stop.

The vast majority of Americans do not believe the government should be making health care decisions for you.

Like I said, I know I'm in the minority on DCUM. And abortion is not a "health care decision," in the vast majority of cases.

Choosing not to give birth, which is statistically more dangerous than having an abortion, is a “health care decision” in every effing case.

Then don't get yourself pregnant. Problem solved.

Nobody gets themselves pregnant.

Clumsily worded but point remains. If you have such a health care issue with giving birth, then see to it that you don't get pregnant.

My “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when I was diagnosed with an ectopic pregnancy. We had been trying for years and desperately wanted that to be a healthy pregnancy. I begged the doctor to find a way to make it work.
An acquaintance’s “health care issue” with giving birth occurred when her (very much wanted, planned for, IVF) baby was diagnosed with a fatal condition that also impacted her health and future ability to carry another pregnancy. She found out during a routine ultrasound at 19 weeks.
A college friend’s health care issue” with giving birth was the additional mental trauma that would result from being forced to carry to term a pregnancy that was caused by rape. A rape she could only remember in flashbacks, because the guy had slipped rohypnol into her drink at a party. She was suicidal already before she even learned about the pregnancy. Thank God for Planned Parenthood.

In all three cases, most states allow abortion. Rare and legal.

Ohio state legislators drafted a bill that would send doctors to jail if they didn’t implant an ectopic pregnancy into the uterus, a feat that is medically impossible.

HB413 in the Ohio Legislature includes a provision that doctors must attempt to "reimplant" ectopic pregnancies in a woman's uterus if applicable.

More than half of Republicans don’t think the current President actually won the presidential election. Do you trust these people to parse “applicable”?

+1000
This isn't applicable because no such procedure actually exists. And yet another example why politicians shouldn't be involved in legislating medical decisions.

[Anonymous]

As if on cue, MTG announces Monday that we should do away with welfare. "Women should be married..." This is what's next. Poor women with babies will die in the streets. Pro Life Party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Ewlf2zcig

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats have just won the 2022 midterms.

Yup. A dem leaked it for sure. Gonna suck to be an incumbent in a dumbpublican state.

Not sure it was a Dem. If the draft judgment is accurate, Roberts is in the minority on draft Alito judgment describing health care providers as 'abortionists'.

If you're looking for who leaked this I'd put the lib law clerk 3rd after someone from Roberts' team and someone from a non-Alito majority judge worried about how far the draft judgment was going.

Any left leaning individual who was actually following this was predicting this judgment. That's why I would put the clerks for the left leaners down the list.

The caveat to that would be someone from Breyer's office who decided it was a good time to flip the lighter on gas puddle that is SCOTUS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As if on cue, MTG announces Monday that we should do away with welfare. "Women should be married..." This is what's next. Poor women with babies will die in the streets. Pro Life Party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Ewlf2zcig

Is this the same Marge who was apparently in an open marriage?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9246917/Marjorie-Taylor-Green-openly-cheated-husband-men-gym.html

[Anonymous]

Shouldn't Thomas have to recuse? His wife was paid $600k by The Family Foundation. Remember how he "forgot" to report it on his financial disclosures?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/22/magazine/clarence-thomas-ginni-thomas.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As if on cue, MTG announces Monday that we should do away with welfare. "Women should be married..." This is what's next. Poor women with babies will die in the streets. Pro Life Party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Ewlf2zcig

Is this the same Marge who was apparently in an open marriage?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9246917/Marjorie-Taylor-Green-openly-cheated-husband-men-gym.html

We should really discuss this properly in the MGT thread here and not let her stupidity affect anything else: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1036116.page