“Stuff Some Adults Don’t Want You to Read” at Langley

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is yet another way that schools are making it an us (parents) versus them (adults in schools) mentality. Perpetuating the notion our kids, while at school, are independent and unaccountable to their parents is troubling. Or, at the worst indefensible, when "teaching" that their parents are morally wrong or "bad" because parents beliefs are counter to what is being normalized at school. I do not want to dictate what schools teach my kids, I just want schools to reiterate to our children that parents have the biggest stake in their lives. And, no matter what, their parents and what their parents provide, encourage, and instill in kids are the biggest indicators of success - not replaceable by anything a school can, nor should, do for children. Parenting is hard enough these days without having to fight and counter what adults, who are not in any way (legally, financially, emotionally) responsible for our children, are "teaching."

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/educations-enduring-love-affair-luxury-beliefs

This is high school. Yes, but then their minds are independent. They should be free to read what they want in a school library. Adding support for the librarian .

No, most kids in high school are minors and remain the responsibility of parents. The parents retain authority over the kids until they reach 18 or are emancipated. How the parents choose to set boundaries for their kids is beside the point. The point here is that parents have that power, and regardless of whether teachers or librarians agree or disagree with how certain parents choose to exercise their power, it's destructive to try and pit children against their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is yet another way that schools are making it an us (parents) versus them (adults in schools) mentality. Perpetuating the notion our kids, while at school, are independent and unaccountable to their parents is troubling. Or, at the worst indefensible, when "teaching" that their parents are morally wrong or "bad" because parents beliefs are counter to what is being normalized at school. I do not want to dictate what schools teach my kids, I just want schools to reiterate to our children that parents have the biggest stake in their lives. And, no matter what, their parents and what their parents provide, encourage, and instill in kids are the biggest indicators of success - not replaceable by anything a school can, nor should, do for children. Parenting is hard enough these days without having to fight and counter what adults, who are not in any way (legally, financially, emotionally) responsible for our children, are "teaching."

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/educations-enduring-love-affair-luxury-beliefs

This is high school. Yes, but then their minds are independent. They should be free to read what they want in a school library. Adding support for the librarian .

No, most kids in high school are minors and remain the responsibility of parents. The parents retain authority over the kids until they reach 18 or are emancipated. How the parents choose to set boundaries for their kids is beside the point. The point here is that parents have that power, and regardless of whether teachers or librarians agree or disagree with how certain parents choose to exercise their power, it's destructive to try and pit children against their parents.

They are trying to “pit” critical thinkers against book banners.

Are Langley parents book banners?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also - have not read the book but found that cartoon page online. Seems like the theme is that the character did not actually enjoy this - and suggested not doing it. What a thing to teach children ... that they can say no! Wow, radical.

Yes, the book doesn’t actually promote sex at all.

Ooh, now tell us all about Lawn Boy. With quotes.
DP

Two kids exploring their bodies. Like playing doctor.

What kind of doctor games did you grow up playing?? My friends and I just used our doctor kits to listen to each other's heartbeats and check reflexes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cheap trick on the part of the library!

It’s is a VERY common table display for libraries and book stores.

There is an entire week dedicated to it.
https://bannedbooksweek.org/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Joe Rogan has published a couple books. Were the librarians displaying those in the same section? How would that make OP feel?

Is anyone trying to ban Roe Rogan's books?

Are they even a school library in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is yet another way that schools are making it an us (parents) versus them (adults in schools) mentality. Perpetuating the notion our kids, while at school, are independent and unaccountable to their parents is troubling. Or, at the worst indefensible, when "teaching" that their parents are morally wrong or "bad" because parents beliefs are counter to what is being normalized at school. I do not want to dictate what schools teach my kids, I just want schools to reiterate to our children that parents have the biggest stake in their lives. And, no matter what, their parents and what their parents provide, encourage, and instill in kids are the biggest indicators of success - not replaceable by anything a school can, nor should, do for children. Parenting is hard enough these days without having to fight and counter what adults, who are not in any way (legally, financially, emotionally) responsible for our children, are "teaching."

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/educations-enduring-love-affair-luxury-beliefs

Well said. I wholeheartedly agree. This was such an immature stunt.

Well, no. We don't send children to schools so they can learn what their parents want them to learn. We teach them so they learn what society needs for them to know. Often, there is a huge difference. VERY often, their parents are wrong and their parents' values are invalid. It is absolutely the duty of educators to set the kids straight.

I'm serious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Joe Rogan has published a couple books. Were the librarians displaying those in the same section? How would that make OP feel?

Is anyone trying to ban Roe Rogan's books?

Are they even a school library in the first place?

Link to some Joe Rohan books so we can see what you’re talking about, because I can’t find evidence he has written any.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Rofl. Morons.

There's a fantastically funny video circulating with a guy interviewing people for their opinions on whether or not a book should be banned from school libraries. He lists all of the atrocities in the book... genocide, rape, profanity, murder, etc. and these people's faces get more and more horrified. He finally asks if they agree the book should be banned and all eagerly agree. Then his "gotcha" moment is when he says something like "excellent, so if you'll sign this petition, we'll get the Bible banned."

Do public school libraries have copies of the Bible in them? Genuinely curious about that.

Of course. All the different versions and translations, yes. And other religious texts from other religions too.

Oh noes! Sex book in the library!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is yet another way that schools are making it an us (parents) versus them (adults in schools) mentality. Perpetuating the notion our kids, while at school, are independent and unaccountable to their parents is troubling. Or, at the worst indefensible, when "teaching" that their parents are morally wrong or "bad" because parents beliefs are counter to what is being normalized at school. I do not want to dictate what schools teach my kids, I just want schools to reiterate to our children that parents have the biggest stake in their lives. And, no matter what, their parents and what their parents provide, encourage, and instill in kids are the biggest indicators of success - not replaceable by anything a school can, nor should, do for children. Parenting is hard enough these days without having to fight and counter what adults, who are not in any way (legally, financially, emotionally) responsible for our children, are "teaching."

https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/educations-enduring-love-affair-luxury-beliefs

Well said. I wholeheartedly agree. This was such an immature stunt.

Well, no. We don't send children to schools so they can learn what their parents want them to learn. We teach them so they learn what society needs for them to know. Often, there is a huge difference. VERY often, their parents are wrong and their parents' values are invalid. It is absolutely the duty of educators to set the kids straight.

I'm serious.

I would face vehemently disagreed with you before Trump and the pandemic.

But they have revealed that there are some majorly fcked up parents in our country. Break the cycle of insanity.

[Anonymous]

^ I would have

[Anonymous]

I had to read Beloved, Lolita, and The English Patient at boarding school. My parents wouldn't let me request an alternative assignment. Over a decade later, the main things I remember about the books are the nasty sexual descriptions and how deeply uncomfortable I felt being forced to read them. I don't think they should be banned from the library but I wouldn't be okay with a 14 year old reading them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had to read Beloved, Lolita, and The English Patient at boarding school. My parents wouldn't let me request an alternative assignment. Over a decade later, the main things I remember about the books are the nasty sexual descriptions and how deeply uncomfortable I felt being forced to read them. I don't think they should be banned from the library but I wouldn't be okay with a 14 year old reading them.

You can request an optional book for an assignment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had to read Beloved, Lolita, and The English Patient at boarding school. My parents wouldn't let me request an alternative assignment. Over a decade later, the main things I remember about the books are the nasty sexual descriptions and how deeply uncomfortable I felt being forced to read them. I don't think they should be banned from the library but I wouldn't be okay with a 14 year old reading them.

You can request an optional book for an assignment.

I know. My school also had that option but my parents refused to let me request an alternative book.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have found this whole thread an insightful discussion of the pros and cons of banning books in schools. Most posters have been civil and sincere (with some exceptions, of course, because this is DCUM after all). Wouldn't it be nice if our kids could have this very same discussion with their peers at school guided by an experienced adult like a librarian? Teaching critical thinking is one of the things our schools have traditionally done best. Let's not shut it down.

Not if the librarian is self-righteous enough to believe that they know better than the parents in terms of deciding what books the kids should read. Remember that parents have the ultimate sovereignty over the education of their kids. Having met certain very-basic requirements for child welfare, the parents are free to educate their kids how they see fit. Teachers and librarians must realize that this authority is the natural outcome of a free and liberal society.

Sounds like you should have your kids in private schools or homeschool them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had to read Beloved, Lolita, and The English Patient at boarding school. My parents wouldn't let me request an alternative assignment. Over a decade later, the main things I remember about the books are the nasty sexual descriptions and how deeply uncomfortable I felt being forced to read them. I don't think they should be banned from the library but I wouldn't be okay with a 14 year old reading them.

This is where the point made by a librarian several pages back is valuable to remember - teens are very good at self-censoring when it comes to reading. If you had picked up Beloved in your own and then been uncomfortable because you weren’t emotionally mature enough for the content yet, you would not have forced yourself to keep reading it. Instead, you would have stopped reading and returned the book to the library. Nothing about this display compels students to read material they are not personally ready for yet.