“Stuff Some Adults Don’t Want You to Read” at Langley

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing in the first 26 pages of this discussion has given me reason to believe the outrage over this display is not, at its core, that certain parents do not want their kids to be exposed to ideas that might undermine messaging from their parents that being gay is wrong, blacks people are just a little bit lesser than white people, and the holocaust wasn’t really so bad. Maybe that will change in the next 26 pages, but I doubt it.

The fact that I don't want public school libraries actively promoting books that contain graphic sexual acts to freshmen doesn't make me a bigot. And FWIW I think anyone who wants to ban Maus is a loon.

And before someone starts in about the internet, my child doesn't have a smartphone and doesn't have unrestricted, unmonitored access to the internet at home. My parents let me have unrestricted internet access starting in middle school when my school gave me a laptop and I've learned from their mistake.

What do you think will happen to your child if they see a copy of Gender Queer sitting in a library display? What, specifically, is your fear?

That kids will be exposed to unhealthy ideas about sexuality and be more tempted to engage in sexual activity before they are ready.

So, clearly you have not read the book. Not have 99.999% of the screeching harpies objecting to it, because that scene is about NOT having sex. About negotiating consent with your partner. About how it can be awkward and weird to back out of something you have fantasized about that turned uncomfortable and you realized you didn’t want…but if you are with a loving, safe person you can be accepted and loved.

If you showed those pictures around your office, you would be reprimanded of fired.

The same standards of work appropriate should apply to a public school setting.

How about reading any of the sexually explicit books in library. That’s ok though, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it was at Langley. At any other high school in this region, parents would be applauding the librarian, but the rich white bored moms at Langley are outraged. Too many similarities to Loudon families.

I am a Langley parent and I don’t think most Langley parents care one way or the other about the sign. As my daughter said when I asked her what the sign said, “I don’t even go to the library so I don’t know what you are talking about.” LOL. I believe this issue came from a Cooper parent during a rising 9th grader parent meeting. I believe (but I’m not 100% sure) that this parent is the same one who took her kids to Fortestville Elementary on the Tuesday after Youngkin issued his mask Executive Order and demanded her kids go maskless, then filmed herself ranting about the injustice of it all when the school denied her request. Now she’s doing this with the book issue. I wonder what will come next?

She's using her kids as political pawns. Way to go, Mom.

And she's all over Twitter, so I guess we can name her here.

She is a public figure. At least she tries very hard to be.

Since her name was already mentioned in this thread and her name is everywhere online, I did a little digging. Apparently Carrie Lukas is not just a random Langley mom who just happened to be offended by a sign in a school library but an established extreme RW political hack.

https://www.iwv.org/people/carrie-l-lukas/

Take a peek at her books on Amazon.

Oh, and she's also an anti-masker who is suing the FC school board and Braband
https://www.iwv.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Lukas_vs_FCPS_February_2022.pdf

That explains the groveling apology letter from the Langley principal. They must be afraid of her.

Expect to see more of these militant RWNJ flexing their power at our local schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Carrie-L-Lukas/e/B001JPCCMY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1

Wow. Such a disgusting bully. Five kids? She’s going to torment FCPS/Langley for a long, long time.

I'm loving it.

Right. Psychopaths unite.

DP. The only psychopaths I'm seeing are those who actually think the graphic dialogue and pictures in these books are appropriate for kids.

They are appropriate for HS students.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a parent without kids at Langley allowed to dictate what goes on at the school?

She sends her kids to schools in the Langley pyramid.

But her kids do not go to the school. They are not going into the Langley library. They will not see these books on display. They won't read the books.

Her kids will at some point be going to Langley - which is far more relevant than most of the idiot posters here, defending the librarian.

I’m the PP. My kid will be going to Langley next year. I wasn’t offended by the sign in the library. But her opinion trumps mine? Really? She’s a right wing political commentor who makes money off this type of controversy. And her voice is more important than mine? Why?

No one said her opinion trumps yours. But in the same vein - your opinion doesn't trump hers. She's fully within her rights to complain about the sign, which was a total stunt by the librarian. The books are available there - that's enough. They don't need to be shoved in the faces of students. And those of us who agree with that sentiment aren't going to be shouted down by people like you.
- CURRENT Langley parent

How was it a stunt by the librarian? The sign is accurate.

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“Some Adults” don’t like to be called out for their bad behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a parent without kids at Langley allowed to dictate what goes on at the school?

She sends her kids to schools in the Langley pyramid.

But her kids do not go to the school. They are not going into the Langley library. They will not see these books on display. They won't read the books.

Her kids will at some point be going to Langley - which is far more relevant than most of the idiot posters here, defending the librarian.

I’m the PP. My kid will be going to Langley next year. I wasn’t offended by the sign in the library. But her opinion trumps mine? Really? She’s a right wing political commentor who makes money off this type of controversy. And her voice is more important than mine? Why?

No one said her opinion trumps yours. But in the same vein - your opinion doesn't trump hers. She's fully within her rights to complain about the sign, which was a total stunt by the librarian. The books are available there - that's enough. They don't need to be shoved in the faces of students. And those of us who agree with that sentiment aren't going to be shouted down by people like you.
- CURRENT Langley parent

Is uuur kid the one who painted ALM on the rock? Klassy school.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a parent without kids at Langley allowed to dictate what goes on at the school?

She sends her kids to schools in the Langley pyramid.

But her kids do not go to the school. They are not going into the Langley library. They will not see these books on display. They won't read the books.

Her kids will at some point be going to Langley - which is far more relevant than most of the idiot posters here, defending the librarian.

I’m the PP. My kid will be going to Langley next year. I wasn’t offended by the sign in the library. But her opinion trumps mine? Really? She’s a right wing political commentor who makes money off this type of controversy. And her voice is more important than mine? Why?

No one said her opinion trumps yours. But in the same vein - your opinion doesn't trump hers. She's fully within her rights to complain about the sign, which was a total stunt by the librarian. The books are available there - that's enough. They don't need to be shoved in the faces of students. And those of us who agree with that sentiment aren't going to be shouted down by people like you.
- CURRENT Langley parent

DP. The real “stunt” is the one pulled by the RWNJ political operative masquerading as a concerned parent.

[Anonymous]

One more reason to avoid Langley. Can’t imagine wanting to teach at or send my kids to a school where the administrators are so intimidated by the parents that they throw staff under the bus at the slightest provocation rather than support them.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it was at Langley. At any other high school in this region, parents would be applauding the librarian, but the rich white bored moms at Langley are outraged. Too many similarities to Loudon families.

I am a Langley parent and I don’t think most Langley parents care one way or the other about the sign. As my daughter said when I asked her what the sign said, “I don’t even go to the library so I don’t know what you are talking about.” LOL. I believe this issue came from a Cooper parent during a rising 9th grader parent meeting. I believe (but I’m not 100% sure) that this parent is the same one who took her kids to Fortestville Elementary on the Tuesday after Youngkin issued his mask Executive Order and demanded her kids go maskless, then filmed herself ranting about the injustice of it all when the school denied her request. Now she’s doing this with the book issue. I wonder what will come next?

She's using her kids as political pawns. Way to go, Mom.

And she's all over Twitter, so I guess we can name her here.

She is a public figure. At least she tries very hard to be.

Since her name was already mentioned in this thread and her name is everywhere online, I did a little digging. Apparently Carrie Lukas is not just a random Langley mom who just happened to be offended by a sign in a school library but an established extreme RW political hack.

https://www.iwv.org/people/carrie-l-lukas/

Take a peek at her books on Amazon.

Oh, and she's also an anti-masker who is suing the FC school board and Braband
https://www.iwv.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Lukas_vs_FCPS_February_2022.pdf

That explains the groveling apology letter from the Langley principal. They must be afraid of her.

Expect to see more of these militant RWNJ flexing their power at our local schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Carrie-L-Lukas/e/B001JPCCMY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1

Not all heros wear capes, need someone to balance out the crazy misfit board members destroying fcps

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it was at Langley. At any other high school in this region, parents would be applauding the librarian, but the rich white bored moms at Langley are outraged. Too many similarities to Loudon families.

I am a Langley parent and I don’t think most Langley parents care one way or the other about the sign. As my daughter said when I asked her what the sign said, “I don’t even go to the library so I don’t know what you are talking about.” LOL. I believe this issue came from a Cooper parent during a rising 9th grader parent meeting. I believe (but I’m not 100% sure) that this parent is the same one who took her kids to Fortestville Elementary on the Tuesday after Youngkin issued his mask Executive Order and demanded her kids go maskless, then filmed herself ranting about the injustice of it all when the school denied her request. Now she’s doing this with the book issue. I wonder what will come next?

She's using her kids as political pawns. Way to go, Mom.

And she's all over Twitter, so I guess we can name her here.

She is a public figure. At least she tries very hard to be.

Since her name was already mentioned in this thread and her name is everywhere online, I did a little digging. Apparently Carrie Lukas is not just a random Langley mom who just happened to be offended by a sign in a school library but an established extreme RW political hack.

https://www.iwv.org/people/carrie-l-lukas/

Take a peek at her books on Amazon.

Oh, and she's also an anti-masker who is suing the FC school board and Braband
https://www.iwv.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Lukas_vs_FCPS_February_2022.pdf

That explains the groveling apology letter from the Langley principal. They must be afraid of her.

Expect to see more of these militant RWNJ flexing their power at our local schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Carrie-L-Lukas/e/B001JPCCMY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1

Not all heros wear capes, need someone to balance out the crazy misfit board members destroying fcps

This individual is a 21st century Phyllis Schlafly. If that's your definition of a "hero" then so be it.

My main objection isn't the reaction to the sign or even the content of the books--it's that professional provocateurs can exert such power in public schools. The public school system and school boards have become a political arena for RWNJs and that is concerning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One more reason to avoid Langley. Can’t imagine wanting to teach at or send my kids to a school where the administrators are so intimidated by the parents that they throw staff under the bus at the slightest provocation rather than support them.

+1

So messed up. This RWNJ parent doesn't even have kids at the school. WTF?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it was at Langley. At any other high school in this region, parents would be applauding the librarian, but the rich white bored moms at Langley are outraged. Too many similarities to Loudon families.

I am a Langley parent and I don’t think most Langley parents care one way or the other about the sign. As my daughter said when I asked her what the sign said, “I don’t even go to the library so I don’t know what you are talking about.” LOL. I believe this issue came from a Cooper parent during a rising 9th grader parent meeting. I believe (but I’m not 100% sure) that this parent is the same one who took her kids to Fortestville Elementary on the Tuesday after Youngkin issued his mask Executive Order and demanded her kids go maskless, then filmed herself ranting about the injustice of it all when the school denied her request. Now she’s doing this with the book issue. I wonder what will come next?

She's using her kids as political pawns. Way to go, Mom.

And she's all over Twitter, so I guess we can name her here.

She is a public figure. At least she tries very hard to be.

Since her name was already mentioned in this thread and her name is everywhere online, I did a little digging. Apparently Carrie Lukas is not just a random Langley mom who just happened to be offended by a sign in a school library but an established extreme RW political hack.

https://www.iwv.org/people/carrie-l-lukas/

Take a peek at her books on Amazon.

Oh, and she's also an anti-masker who is suing the FC school board and Braband
https://www.iwv.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Lukas_vs_FCPS_February_2022.pdf

That explains the groveling apology letter from the Langley principal. They must be afraid of her.

Expect to see more of these militant RWNJ flexing their power at our local schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Carrie-L-Lukas/e/B001JPCCMY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1

Not all heros wear capes, need someone to balance out the crazy misfit board members destroying fcps

This individual is a 21st century Phyllis Schlafly. If that's your definition of a "hero" then so be it.

My main objection isn't the reaction to the sign or even the content of the books--it's that professional provocateurs can exert such power in public schools. The public school system and school boards have become a political arena for RWNJs and that is concerning.

You may or may not be familiar with the fact that schools have long been used to instill certain values. Back in the days of mass European immigration, schools were used to instill American values into the children of immigrants so as to cause them to assimilate. In more radical settings, schools were used to separate children from their parents for this purpose. I believe Horace Mann was quite famous for this.

Quite often those values were quite different from those of their parents, and parents would create separate schools to maintain those values. Often enough though educators were successful in their Americanization. This is why I find those who say exposing children to this sort of thing won't change minds. People who say that are either being disingenuous or are historically ignorant.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it was at Langley. At any other high school in this region, parents would be applauding the librarian, but the rich white bored moms at Langley are outraged. Too many similarities to Loudon families.

I am a Langley parent and I don’t think most Langley parents care one way or the other about the sign. As my daughter said when I asked her what the sign said, “I don’t even go to the library so I don’t know what you are talking about.” LOL. I believe this issue came from a Cooper parent during a rising 9th grader parent meeting. I believe (but I’m not 100% sure) that this parent is the same one who took her kids to Fortestville Elementary on the Tuesday after Youngkin issued his mask Executive Order and demanded her kids go maskless, then filmed herself ranting about the injustice of it all when the school denied her request. Now she’s doing this with the book issue. I wonder what will come next?

She's using her kids as political pawns. Way to go, Mom.

And she's all over Twitter, so I guess we can name her here.

She is a public figure. At least she tries very hard to be.

Since her name was already mentioned in this thread and her name is everywhere online, I did a little digging. Apparently Carrie Lukas is not just a random Langley mom who just happened to be offended by a sign in a school library but an established extreme RW political hack.

https://www.iwv.org/people/carrie-l-lukas/

Take a peek at her books on Amazon.

Oh, and she's also an anti-masker who is suing the FC school board and Braband
https://www.iwv.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Lukas_vs_FCPS_February_2022.pdf

That explains the groveling apology letter from the Langley principal. They must be afraid of her.

Expect to see more of these militant RWNJ flexing their power at our local schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Carrie-L-Lukas/e/B001JPCCMY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1

Not all heros wear capes, need someone to balance out the crazy misfit board members destroying fcps

This individual is a 21st century Phyllis Schlafly. If that's your definition of a "hero" then so be it.

My main objection isn't the reaction to the sign or even the content of the books--it's that professional provocateurs can exert such power in public schools. The public school system and school boards have become a political arena for RWNJs and that is concerning.

You may or may not be familiar with the fact that schools have long been used to instill certain values. Back in the days of mass European immigration, schools were used to instill American values into the children of immigrants so as to cause them to assimilate. In more radical settings, schools were used to separate children from their parents for this purpose. I believe Horace Mann was quite famous for this.

Quite often those values were quite different from those of their parents, and parents would create separate schools to maintain those values. Often enough though educators were successful in their Americanization. This is why I find those who say exposing children to this sort of thing won't change minds. People who say that are either being disingenuous or are historically ignorant.

Should clarify Horace Mann for Americanization, not taking kids from their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing in the first 26 pages of this discussion has given me reason to believe the outrage over this display is not, at its core, that certain parents do not want their kids to be exposed to ideas that might undermine messaging from their parents that being gay is wrong, blacks people are just a little bit lesser than white people, and the holocaust wasn’t really so bad. Maybe that will change in the next 26 pages, but I doubt it.

The fact that I don't want public school libraries actively promoting books that contain graphic sexual acts to freshmen doesn't make me a bigot. And FWIW I think anyone who wants to ban Maus is a loon.

And before someone starts in about the internet, my child doesn't have a smartphone and doesn't have unrestricted, unmonitored access to the internet at home. My parents let me have unrestricted internet access starting in middle school when my school gave me a laptop and I've learned from their mistake.

What do you think will happen to your child if they see a copy of Gender Queer sitting in a library display? What, specifically, is your fear?

That kids will be exposed to unhealthy ideas about sexuality and be more tempted to engage in sexual activity before they are ready.

So, clearly you have not read the book. Not have 99.999% of the screeching harpies objecting to it, because that scene is about NOT having sex. About negotiating consent with your partner. About how it can be awkward and weird to back out of something you have fantasized about that turned uncomfortable and you realized you didn’t want…but if you are with a loving, safe person you can be accepted and loved.

If you showed those pictures around your office, you would be reprimanded of fired.

The same standards of work appropriate should apply to a public school setting.

How about reading any of the sexually explicit books in library. That’s ok though, right?

DP. What other books in the school library are as sexually explicit as these?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it was at Langley. At any other high school in this region, parents would be applauding the librarian, but the rich white bored moms at Langley are outraged. Too many similarities to Loudon families.

I am a Langley parent and I don’t think most Langley parents care one way or the other about the sign. As my daughter said when I asked her what the sign said, “I don’t even go to the library so I don’t know what you are talking about.” LOL. I believe this issue came from a Cooper parent during a rising 9th grader parent meeting. I believe (but I’m not 100% sure) that this parent is the same one who took her kids to Fortestville Elementary on the Tuesday after Youngkin issued his mask Executive Order and demanded her kids go maskless, then filmed herself ranting about the injustice of it all when the school denied her request. Now she’s doing this with the book issue. I wonder what will come next?

She's using her kids as political pawns. Way to go, Mom.

And she's all over Twitter, so I guess we can name her here.

She is a public figure. At least she tries very hard to be.

Since her name was already mentioned in this thread and her name is everywhere online, I did a little digging. Apparently Carrie Lukas is not just a random Langley mom who just happened to be offended by a sign in a school library but an established extreme RW political hack.

https://www.iwv.org/people/carrie-l-lukas/

Take a peek at her books on Amazon.

Oh, and she's also an anti-masker who is suing the FC school board and Braband
https://www.iwv.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Lukas_vs_FCPS_February_2022.pdf

That explains the groveling apology letter from the Langley principal. They must be afraid of her.

Expect to see more of these militant RWNJ flexing their power at our local schools.
https://www.amazon.com/Carrie-L-Lukas/e/B001JPCCMY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_ebooks_1

Wow. Such a disgusting bully. Five kids? She’s going to torment FCPS/Langley for a long, long time.

I'm loving it.

Right. Psychopaths unite.

DP. The only psychopaths I'm seeing are those who actually think the graphic dialogue and pictures in these books are appropriate for kids.

They are appropriate for HS students.

No, several of them actually are not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a parent without kids at Langley allowed to dictate what goes on at the school?

She sends her kids to schools in the Langley pyramid.

But her kids do not go to the school. They are not going into the Langley library. They will not see these books on display. They won't read the books.

Her kids will at some point be going to Langley - which is far more relevant than most of the idiot posters here, defending the librarian.

I’m the PP. My kid will be going to Langley next year. I wasn’t offended by the sign in the library. But her opinion trumps mine? Really? She’s a right wing political commentor who makes money off this type of controversy. And her voice is more important than mine? Why?

No one said her opinion trumps yours. But in the same vein - your opinion doesn't trump hers. She's fully within her rights to complain about the sign, which was a total stunt by the librarian. The books are available there - that's enough. They don't need to be shoved in the faces of students. And those of us who agree with that sentiment aren't going to be shouted down by people like you.
- CURRENT Langley parent

Is uuur kid the one who painted ALM on the rock? Klassy school.

You seem confused. ALM was painted on the McLean HS rock.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is a parent without kids at Langley allowed to dictate what goes on at the school?

She sends her kids to schools in the Langley pyramid.

But her kids do not go to the school. They are not going into the Langley library. They will not see these books on display. They won't read the books.

Her kids will at some point be going to Langley - which is far more relevant than most of the idiot posters here, defending the librarian.

I’m the PP. My kid will be going to Langley next year. I wasn’t offended by the sign in the library. But her opinion trumps mine? Really? She’s a right wing political commentor who makes money off this type of controversy. And her voice is more important than mine? Why?

No one said her opinion trumps yours. But in the same vein - your opinion doesn't trump hers. She's fully within her rights to complain about the sign, which was a total stunt by the librarian. The books are available there - that's enough. They don't need to be shoved in the faces of students. And those of us who agree with that sentiment aren't going to be shouted down by people like you.
- CURRENT Langley parent

DP. The real “stunt” is the one pulled by the RWNJ political operative masquerading as a concerned parent.

I disagree; as do many others. She has as much right to speak out as anyone. I'm sure you'd be spewing outrage to anyone who would listen if the library carried "Irreversible Damage".