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Anonymous wrote:I am curious- will it be changes for all schools? I’m guessing if part of HV moves to SC then they go to SC middle too? No split feeder middle schools anymore?

Or key/lewis.


I would have to assume that since they want to get rid of split feeders, that they would move kids out of HVES entirely and draw a boundary to get them into a South County or Lewis-feeding elementary. For SC they could pretty easily go to Newington Forest, not sure how to get kids to I guess Saratoga(?) without drawing a massive gerrymander. South County can accept more students and is under enrolled at the moment, but I’m not sure the status of the various elementary schools.


Not sure that all split feeders will be eliminated. I don't think that is possible.

I think that they need to look at Justice (for a lot of reasons) but Justice right now only has one middle school that feeds it and that is Glasgow. That is a huge problem. Because there is nothing to break up the bad middle school culture and it carries to Justice. They should move some of the Glasgow population to Falls Church or another HS and take from McLean pyramid. Justice needs help.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


Agree. If McLean is over capacity using trailers, then students should be shifted to nearby schools with capacity. If Tyson’s does generate more HS students, then more neighborhoods should be shifted so that we take advantage of existing capacity before considering expansions or new schools. Surely, DCUM won’t have qualms sending McLean kids to nearby Langley.


DCUM isn't doing this. Could likely be accomplished quickly by scrapping most IB, ie Lewis AP +remove its academy + move in Edison academies. South Lakes AP. Mount Vernon AP. Marshall remove academies. Chantilly move academies tothe supersized square footage sites [Westfield, Oakton + Herndon new excess after max it to what fits in Herndon MS times 2 - TJ feed].

Look at the committee- *** split feeder and island for each Marshall and Madison. Mclean is 1*** and 1 **split feeder. The none pyramid ones live somewhere found on the boundary locator unless out of county staff.


I have zero clue what you are saying in all of your abbreviated speak.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


Agree. If McLean is over capacity using trailers, then students should be shifted to nearby schools with capacity. If Tyson’s does generate more HS students, then more neighborhoods should be shifted so that we take advantage of existing capacity before considering expansions or new schools. Surely, DCUM won’t have qualms sending McLean kids to nearby Langley.

Great Falls residents certainly have qualms about sending McLean kids to nearby Langley if it pushes them to Herndon. Remember, some Langley kids are 10 miles from Langley and 2 miles from Herndon.

In contrast, parents who live closer to Langley, like myself, would have no issue it. I live near McLean Central Park and less than a half mile from the Langley-McLean HS boundary, and it would surely be more convenient for our son and daughter (now in ES) to visit friends who live 0.5 mile away rather than 6-10 miles away.
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Anonymous wrote:I am curious- will it be changes for all schools? I’m guessing if part of HV moves to SC then they go to SC middle too? No split feeder middle schools anymore?

Or key/lewis.


I would have to assume that since they want to get rid of split feeders, that they would move kids out of HVES entirely and draw a boundary to get them into a South County or Lewis-feeding elementary. For SC they could pretty easily go to Newington Forest, not sure how to get kids to I guess Saratoga(?) without drawing a massive gerrymander. South County can accept more students and is under enrolled at the moment, but I’m not sure the status of the various elementary schools.


Not sure that all split feeders will be eliminated. I don't think that is possible.

I think that they need to look at Justice (for a lot of reasons) but Justice right now only has one middle school that feeds it and that is Glasgow. That is a huge problem. Because there is nothing to break up the bad middle school culture and it carries to Justice. They should move some of the Glasgow population to Falls Church or another HS and take from McLean pyramid. Justice needs help.
McLean and Justice are not contiguous. The closest part of McLean, next to Fall Church is where a significant portion of McLean’s poor students live. You would not be changing any dynamics.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


Agree. If McLean is over capacity using trailers, then students should be shifted to nearby schools with capacity. If Tyson’s does generate more HS students, then more neighborhoods should be shifted so that we take advantage of existing capacity before considering expansions or new schools. Surely, DCUM won’t have qualms sending McLean kids to nearby Langley.


DCUM isn't doing this. Could likely be accomplished quickly by scrapping most IB, ie Lewis AP +remove its academy + move in Edison academies. South Lakes AP. Mount Vernon AP. Marshall remove academies. Chantilly move academies tothe supersized square footage sites [Westfield, Oakton + Herndon new excess after max it to what fits in Herndon MS times 2 - TJ feed].

Look at the committee- *** split feeder and island for each Marshall and Madison. Mclean is 1*** and 1 **split feeder. The none pyramid ones live somewhere found on the boundary locator unless out of county staff.


I have zero clue what you are saying in all of your abbreviated speak.


It's amusing when someone takes the time to post on an internet forum, but intentionally tries to convey a sense of "my time is valuable self-importance" in the way they communicate.
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Anonymous wrote:I am curious- will it be changes for all schools? I’m guessing if part of HV moves to SC then they go to SC middle too? No split feeder middle schools anymore?

Or key/lewis.


I would have to assume that since they want to get rid of split feeders, that they would move kids out of HVES entirely and draw a boundary to get them into a South County or Lewis-feeding elementary. For SC they could pretty easily go to Newington Forest, not sure how to get kids to I guess Saratoga(?) without drawing a massive gerrymander. South County can accept more students and is under enrolled at the moment, but I’m not sure the status of the various elementary schools.


Not sure that all split feeders will be eliminated. I don't think that is possible.

I think that they need to look at Justice (for a lot of reasons) but Justice right now only has one middle school that feeds it and that is Glasgow. That is a huge problem. Because there is nothing to break up the bad middle school culture and it carries to Justice. They should move some of the Glasgow population to Falls Church or another HS and take from McLean pyramid. Justice needs help.
McLean and Justice are not contiguous. The closest part of McLean, next to Fall Church is where a significant portion of McLean’s poor students live. You would not be changing any dynamics.


No one wants to go to Justice, even the kids at Justice.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


Agree. If McLean is over capacity using trailers, then students should be shifted to nearby schools with capacity. If Tyson’s does generate more HS students, then more neighborhoods should be shifted so that we take advantage of existing capacity before considering expansions or new schools. Surely, DCUM won’t have qualms sending McLean kids to nearby Langley.


DCUM isn't doing this. Could likely be accomplished quickly by scrapping most IB, ie Lewis AP +remove its academy + move in Edison academies. South Lakes AP. Mount Vernon AP. Marshall remove academies. Chantilly move academies tothe supersized square footage sites [Westfield, Oakton + Herndon new excess after max it to what fits in Herndon MS times 2 - TJ feed].

Look at the committee- *** split feeder and island for each Marshall and Madison. Mclean is 1*** and 1 **split feeder. The none pyramid ones live somewhere found on the boundary locator unless out of county staff.


I have zero clue what you are saying in all of your abbreviated speak.

McLean and Longfellow are both attendance islands, so every student in the pyramid falls under “island” **, since it’s not a split feeders, the member has to be from KG, FS, Chesterbrook, or Haycock. If they were a *** that would mean they could come from Timber Lane, Lemon Road, Westgate, or Spring Hill, because even though Lemon Road and Westgate don’t have attendance islands, they are split feeders that eventually go to a school with an attendance island.

For Marshall and Madison EVERYONE falls under split feeder because of the Thoreau/Kilmer split, but the attendance islands give it away in this case.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


Agree. If McLean is over capacity using trailers, then students should be shifted to nearby schools with capacity. If Tyson’s does generate more HS students, then more neighborhoods should be shifted so that we take advantage of existing capacity before considering expansions or new schools. Surely, DCUM won’t have qualms sending McLean kids to nearby Langley.

Great Falls residents certainly have qualms about sending McLean kids to nearby Langley if it pushes them to Herndon. Remember, some Langley kids are 10 miles from Langley and 2 miles from Herndon.

In contrast, parents who live closer to Langley, like myself, would have no issue it. I live near McLean Central Park and less than a half mile from the Langley-McLean HS boundary, and it would surely be more convenient for our son and daughter (now in ES) to visit friends who live 0.5 mile away rather than 6-10 miles away.


It’s so cute that you think they’re not going to try to drag Langley down to the level of the rest of the schools. By the time your kids get to that level, you’ll be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in private school costs.

ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for your kids. You should probably reconsider your hypocritical adherence to equity at some point.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
By that logic, Langley also had a boundary change in 2021 and also should not have one this round. Besides, it will be at least four years before any more changes happen, how long should a HS be exempt from boundary changes, in your opinion? Keep in mind, the policy is to review every five years.


No one got moved out of Langley in 2021, so logic fail on your part.
You said boundary change - Langley had a boundary change - McLean kids moved in. That’s a boundary change.


Do you really think it's as disruptive to a school community to add kids as to redistrict communities out of the school? If so, you're not playing with a full deck.
It is mostly disruptive to the students who are moved in the middle of high school. I would say that the school that is joined by the transferring students are impacted slightly more as they will have to make sure the transferring students have as smooth a transfer as possible. This area is very transient - people move in and out frequently. For the students that moved, another boundary change five years later will not affect them.


If they actually try to move kids in the middle of high school they are doing something they haven't done outside the context of opening a brand new school. In that case, they will be inviting a whole different level of opposition.

No doubt shills like you will have their back if they try it, but it will not be pretty.


DP. They’ll have to limit grandfathering because they’ve boxed themselves into a corner on transportation costs being one of their primary “goals”.


Not quite. They refused to commit to grandfathering, but they also didn't commit to reducing transportation costs to a particular level, or to reduce transportation lengths or times to a certain distance or duration. They wanted some things they could point to in order to justify whatever they eventually come up with, but it's not like they've come up with anything yet that can be objectively applied to yield a specific set of results.

It's possible, of course, that they could recommend a sufficient volume of changes that grandfathering would not be feasible, but in that case the level of community opposition is going to escalate quickly, and then the SB - being a bunch of politicians - will have to decide what to do with that.



Double bus runs are expensive and will swamp any “transportation savings” and there is already a bus driver shortage.

I’m not advocating for limited grandfathering, but if you want your kids to stay at their school, I’d be focused on trying to kill the boundary changes, not trying to thread a needle that they should make changes, just not ones that affect your kids…


If I understand you are against any boundary changes and are telling people there can/will be no grandfathering toincrease opposition? Then just make the case that boundary changes aren’t needed right now.

They could in fact end up with a limited set of boundary changes, grandfathering, and transportation to old/new schools. That is, in fact, what used to happen before when they did county-wide reviews. They treated the transportation constraints as limits on the number of boundaries they could change.
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I think that they need to look at Justice (for a lot of reasons) but Justice right now only has one middle school that feeds it and that is Glasgow. That is a huge problem. Because there is nothing to break up the bad middle school culture and it carries to Justice. They should move some of the Glasgow population to Falls Church or another HS and take from McLean pyramid. Justice needs help.


So, you think that McLean should pony up kids to help Justice? Do you hear yourself?

I've said it repeatedly: The Superintendent and School Board need to address and fix the problem The problem is not solved by pouring in more affluent kids. The problem is solved by addressing the needs of the current students and admitting what the problem is. I don't know anything about Glasgow, but if there is a serious problem there it should be addressed THERE. Spreading the problem around will not fix it.
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And, naming the school "Justice" did not help. It sounds like a juvie facility.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


So it turns out Karl Frisch was a two-faced liar who never planned to do the things he said he’d work towards? What a phony.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
By that logic, Langley also had a boundary change in 2021 and also should not have one this round. Besides, it will be at least four years before any more changes happen, how long should a HS be exempt from boundary changes, in your opinion? Keep in mind, the policy is to review every five years.


No one got moved out of Langley in 2021, so logic fail on your part.
You said boundary change - Langley had a boundary change - McLean kids moved in. That’s a boundary change.


Do you really think it's as disruptive to a school community to add kids as to redistrict communities out of the school? If so, you're not playing with a full deck.
It is mostly disruptive to the students who are moved in the middle of high school. I would say that the school that is joined by the transferring students are impacted slightly more as they will have to make sure the transferring students have as smooth a transfer as possible. This area is very transient - people move in and out frequently. For the students that moved, another boundary change five years later will not affect them.


If they actually try to move kids in the middle of high school they are doing something they haven't done outside the context of opening a brand new school. In that case, they will be inviting a whole different level of opposition.

No doubt shills like you will have their back if they try it, but it will not be pretty.


DP. They’ll have to limit grandfathering because they’ve boxed themselves into a corner on transportation costs being one of their primary “goals”.


Not quite. They refused to commit to grandfathering, but they also didn't commit to reducing transportation costs to a particular level, or to reduce transportation lengths or times to a certain distance or duration. They wanted some things they could point to in order to justify whatever they eventually come up with, but it's not like they've come up with anything yet that can be objectively applied to yield a specific set of results.

It's possible, of course, that they could recommend a sufficient volume of changes that grandfathering would not be feasible, but in that case the level of community opposition is going to escalate quickly, and then the SB - being a bunch of politicians - will have to decide what to do with that.



Double bus runs are expensive and will swamp any “transportation savings” and there is already a bus driver shortage.

I’m not advocating for limited grandfathering, but if you want your kids to stay at their school, I’d be focused on trying to kill the boundary changes, not trying to thread a needle that they should make changes, just not ones that affect your kids…


If I understand you are against any boundary changes and are telling people there can/will be no grandfathering toincrease opposition? Then just make the case that boundary changes aren’t needed right now.

They could in fact end up with a limited set of boundary changes, grandfathering, and transportation to old/new schools. That is, in fact, what used to happen before when they did county-wide reviews. They treated the transportation constraints as limits on the number of boundaries they could change.


I’ve heard enough from the school board to know that grandfathering will be an afterthought and runs counter to a number of their goals. If people want to play a game of equity chicken with their kids’ school pyramids, I’m not going to stop them, but my point stands - if you want to make sure your kids get grandfathered into their school, the path that gives the best odds for that happening is to argue against boundary changes.
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Anonymous wrote:I am curious- will it be changes for all schools? I’m guessing if part of HV moves to SC then they go to SC middle too? No split feeder middle schools anymore?

Or key/lewis.


I would have to assume that since they want to get rid of split feeders, that they would move kids out of HVES entirely and draw a boundary to get them into a South County or Lewis-feeding elementary. For SC they could pretty easily go to Newington Forest, not sure how to get kids to I guess Saratoga(?) without drawing a massive gerrymander. South County can accept more students and is under enrolled at the moment, but I’m not sure the status of the various elementary schools.


Not sure that all split feeders will be eliminated. I don't think that is possible.

I think that they need to look at Justice (for a lot of reasons) but Justice right now only has one middle school that feeds it and that is Glasgow. That is a huge problem. Because there is nothing to break up the bad middle school culture and it carries to Justice. They should move some of the Glasgow population to Falls Church or another HS and take from McLean pyramid. Justice needs help.
McLean and Justice are not contiguous. The closest part of McLean, next to Fall Church is where a significant portion of McLean’s poor students live. You would not be changing any dynamics.


+1. PP is just trying to intimidate McLean families by suggesting FCPS would replace one attendance island with another by zoning them to Justice (you have to cross through the Falls Church HS and FCC boundaries to get there). And, as you say, the part of McLean closest to Justice has similar demographics in any event.

The sad thing is that this person could well be on the boundary review advisory committee as they’ve stacked it with people who deeply resent Langley and McLean.
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Anonymous wrote:They just changed the boundaries for McLean HS in 2021 and for the elementary school feeders last year. If there's any area that deserves a pass from additional boundary changes, and instead needs a real plan to deal with the growth in and near Tysons, it's that pyramid. We're not falling for the line about how no one has looked at boundaries in 40 years, because that's not the case where our pyramid is concerned.
How do you plan to deal with growth in and near Tysons without considering boundary changes for McLean and Langley?


McLean has already had a boundary change in 2021. It's past time to start planning for a renovation and addition, given that it serves a growth area. Other schools that haven't had boundary changes can take their turn with boundary adjustments if they want.
Why build an addition when Langley and Fall Church High Schools have space to accommodate McLean’s overage? Seems like a waste of resources.


If there was any waste of resources, it was expanding Langley and Falls Church when the growth is in the Tysons/McLean area. Those schools may well see more kids over time, but McLean - which serves a growing area but has or will have the smallest number of permanent seats of any FCPS high school - fully deserves an addition.

Here's what the now-Chair of the School Board said in writing back in 2019:

"Though it may take years to complete, we should begin scoping for a permanent addition/expansion to McLean High School to further address capacity issues. That may require adjusting the Capital Improvement Program (CIP) renovation calendar and including additional funding for planning and construction in the next school bond referendum. There has been some chatter about a modular trailer being relocated to McLean High School using funds from the 2019 school bond referendum. This would be a welcome alternative to a traditional classroom trailer, but it is important that this capacity stopgap be tied directly to plans for a physical expansion of McLean High School – and that it not be used as a permanent solution."





The McLean islands can be moved. Boundaries can be changed to take from McLean and shift more towards Langley and Falls Church. Hence "comprehensive" boundary change.


Agree. If McLean is over capacity using trailers, then students should be shifted to nearby schools with capacity. If Tyson’s does generate more HS students, then more neighborhoods should be shifted so that we take advantage of existing capacity before considering expansions or new schools. Surely, DCUM won’t have qualms sending McLean kids to nearby Langley.


No objection, and Langley can take the attendance island without going overcapacity.

Longer term, McLean will need an expansion. Borderline criminal that it’s been neglected for so long, while they expand schools with declining populations.


Longer term? It’s needed an expansion for years, and certainly more so than Justice and Madison, each of which was recently expanded outside the queue.

Someone talked earlier about not threading a needle. That’s exactly what you’re doing here by suggesting FCPS is going to move more McLean kids to Langley without also moving part of Langley to Herndon. Some would argue they deliberately under-invest in McLean (which will have the smallest permanent capacity of any FCPS high school despite serving growing areas in Tysons, West Falls Church, and downtown McLean) precisely because they want to move Langley kids into Herndon and need more McLean kids at Langley to justify that.
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