DA vs ECNL vs everything else

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Anonymous wrote:Sure seems like girls in the Top Drawer top 150 are getting amazing offers / commitments in their Sophomore year of HS. Are you saying the trick to getting a top D1 offer is to attend TDS ID events or attending events they are at?

10th graders are Class of 2020. They are already on the recruiting radar. They have already attended multiple national events that were recruited.

If you look at the TD DA plays of the week, they're almost always strikers and there goals. You hit a nice goal and submit your video, get your club to vote for you and make play of the week...then you're on TD radar. Here's 2 stars for you.

So one good goal followed by club/ parent marketing gets you on the radar.

And you wonder why parents are out her acting as their child's sport agent.

The TD DA plays of the week are always strikers because DA box scores only show goals. DA does not track saves or assists. Someone reads the DA box scores and then writes the article.

That has nothing to do with their top 150 list though. Otherwise Midfielders, Defenders and Goalkeepers would never make the list. They talk to coaches and scouts to build their list. It's not an inaccurate list. You are probably a DA parent that just doesn't like the list. Sorry but 9 players in the class of 2022 top 150 are ECNL and only 4 are DA. The commitments you see are real.

The class of 2022 are 8th graders and they are on the recruiting radar. Many of these girls are already making unofficial visits colleges and meeting coaches. A few have offers.

These top 150 change some year to year but these are the players that get scouted and recruited.

I wrote the post about how TDS should be taken with skepticism so let me say your attempts at characterizes my motivation are off-base, eg, my DD has been ECNL. I am very familiar with most of the kids in my daughter's age group in the state and believe I can speak knowledgeably about many of them. I can say unequivocally that the rankings are at best inconsistent. I gave specific examples of inaccuracies I have firsthand knowledge of. Also, I have never heard of TDS reaching out to coaches or other scouts.

To help understand the shortcomings of their ranking program, it helps to understand how a player gets listed in the TDS database. First, you can enter your own info into the program, or two, your name shows up in an article. Absent that, you're not in their database and you will not be included in their rankings. As you should be able to realize, many players never enter the database. And for those who are in the database because of an article, as the event that lead to that article fades into the past, then your rankings fade with it as TDS starts ranking the newly-reported players, but those players stay ranked despite how they're playing now, or even if they've moved away or stopped playing soccer altogether.

This isn't to say that they don't have many of the top players listed, and not surprisingly, those players will get good offers. But they miss out on a lot of top players, and they often have the relative rankings of players way off.

Are girls who attend NTCs at U14 likely to be on this TDS list?

No

[Anonymous]

NTC 04 8th graders already with offers from unofficial visits....will be on TD once payment is received.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure seems like girls in the Top Drawer top 150 are getting amazing offers / commitments in their Sophomore year of HS. Are you saying the trick to getting a top D1 offer is to attend TDS ID events or attending events they are at?

10th graders are Class of 2020. They are already on the recruiting radar. They have already attended multiple national events that were recruited.

If you look at the TD DA plays of the week, they're almost always strikers and there goals. You hit a nice goal and submit your video, get your club to vote for you and make play of the week...then you're on TD radar. Here's 2 stars for you.

So one good goal followed by club/ parent marketing gets you on the radar.

And you wonder why parents are out her acting as their child's sport agent.

The TD DA plays of the week are always strikers because DA box scores only show goals. DA does not track saves or assists. Someone reads the DA box scores and then writes the article.

That has nothing to do with their top 150 list though. Otherwise Midfielders, Defenders and Goalkeepers would never make the list. They talk to coaches and scouts to build their list. It's not an inaccurate list. You are probably a DA parent that just doesn't like the list. Sorry but 9 players in the class of 2022 top 150 are ECNL and only 4 are DA. The commitments you see are real.

The class of 2022 are 8th graders and they are on the recruiting radar. Many of these girls are already making unofficial visits colleges and meeting coaches. A few have offers.

These top 150 change some year to year but these are the players that get scouted and recruited.

I wrote the post about how TDS should be taken with skepticism so let me say your attempts at characterizes my motivation are off-base, eg, my DD has been ECNL. I am very familiar with most of the kids in my daughter's age group in the state and believe I can speak knowledgeably about many of them. I can say unequivocally that the rankings are at best inconsistent. I gave specific examples of inaccuracies I have firsthand knowledge of. Also, I have never heard of TDS reaching out to coaches or other scouts.

To help understand the shortcomings of their ranking program, it helps to understand how a player gets listed in the TDS database. First, you can enter your own info into the program, or two, your name shows up in an article. Absent that, you're not in their database and you will not be included in their rankings. As you should be able to realize, many players never enter the database. And for those who are in the database because of an article, as the event that lead to that article fades into the past, then your rankings fade with it as TDS starts ranking the newly-reported players, but those players stay ranked despite how they're playing now, or even if they've moved away or stopped playing soccer altogether.

This isn't to say that they don't have many of the top players listed, and not surprisingly, those players will get good offers. But they miss out on a lot of top players, and they often have the relative rankings of players way off.

Are girls who attend NTCs at U14 likely to be on this TDS list?

No, my DD has attended several NTCs, and she isn't on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure seems like girls in the Top Drawer top 150 are getting amazing offers / commitments in their Sophomore year of HS. Are you saying the trick to getting a top D1 offer is to attend TDS ID events or attending events they are at?

10th graders are Class of 2020. They are already on the recruiting radar. They have already attended multiple national events that were recruited.

If you look at the TD DA plays of the week, they're almost always strikers and there goals. You hit a nice goal and submit your video, get your club to vote for you and make play of the week...then you're on TD radar. Here's 2 stars for you.

So one good goal followed by club/ parent marketing gets you on the radar.

And you wonder why parents are out her acting as their child's sport agent.

The TD DA plays of the week are always strikers because DA box scores only show goals. DA does not track saves or assists. Someone reads the DA box scores and then writes the article.

That has nothing to do with their top 150 list though. Otherwise Midfielders, Defenders and Goalkeepers would never make the list. They talk to coaches and scouts to build their list. It's not an inaccurate list. You are probably a DA parent that just doesn't like the list. Sorry but 9 players in the class of 2022 top 150 are ECNL and only 4 are DA. The commitments you see are real.

The class of 2022 are 8th graders and they are on the recruiting radar. Many of these girls are already making unofficial visits colleges and meeting coaches. A few have offers.

These top 150 change some year to year but these are the players that get scouted and recruited.

I wrote the post about how TDS should be taken with skepticism so let me say your attempts at characterizes my motivation are off-base, eg, my DD has been ECNL. I am very familiar with most of the kids in my daughter's age group in the state and believe I can speak knowledgeably about many of them. I can say unequivocally that the rankings are at best inconsistent. I gave specific examples of inaccuracies I have firsthand knowledge of. Also, I have never heard of TDS reaching out to coaches or other scouts.

To help understand the shortcomings of their ranking program, it helps to understand how a player gets listed in the TDS database. First, you can enter your own info into the program, or two, your name shows up in an article. Absent that, you're not in their database and you will not be included in their rankings. As you should be able to realize, many players never enter the database. And for those who are in the database because of an article, as the event that lead to that article fades into the past, then your rankings fade with it as TDS starts ranking the newly-reported players, but those players stay ranked despite how they're playing now, or even if they've moved away or stopped playing soccer altogether.

This isn't to say that they don't have many of the top players listed, and not surprisingly, those players will get good offers. But they miss out on a lot of top players, and they often have the relative rankings of players way off.

Are girls who attend NTCs at U14 likely to be on this TDS list?

No, my DD has attended several NTCs, and she isn't on it.

As others on this board have noted, NTC lists aren’t publicly posted so TDS will not have any articles about those selections. Thus, the only way those players and their selection will show up in the TDS database is if an account is created for the player and the NTC invite is noted. From what I’ve seen, TDS gives little to any weight to self-reported awards and honors.

[Anonymous]

DA / ECNL , HP Elite, Vega training; Drake summer camp, Top Drawer soccer paid account, unofficial visits,

Nah..its not out of control

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DA / ECNL , HP Elite, Vega training; Drake summer camp, Top Drawer soccer paid account, unofficial visits,

Nah..its not out of control

Choice is a good thing. Lots of good options for travel clubs, outside training, camps, etc. Consider yourselves lucky. Have friends in Montana whose options are extremely limited.

Yes, the myriad elite clubs mean the talent is spread out and our area doesn't have a powerhouse club that wins all the national tournaments, but most people have several great options at several price points from which to choose if their kid wants to play soccer. And while everyone loves to say that no club develops players, I actually don't think that's true. And it isn't shocking or necessarily wrong that kids develop at one club then move to another as their needs change. Maybe some of the smaller clubs are better places to develop at U9-U13, but can't provide the national exposure that a DA or ECNL club can at the high school ages. Why not recognize/embrace that? Don't want to pay $8K+ for ECNL or GDA? Don't want to travel? Awesome! Stay in an NCSL club and send your kid to ODP for regional/natl exposure. Want your kid to play HS soccer but still get national showcases? Go for an ECNL club. One size doesn't fit all. Pick the club that best meets your kid's needs and don't worry about what everyone else is doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DA / ECNL , HP Elite, Vega training; Drake summer camp, Top Drawer soccer paid account, unofficial visits,

Nah..its not out of control

Don't worry about it. You don't have to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DA / ECNL , HP Elite, Vega training; Drake summer camp, Top Drawer soccer paid account, unofficial visits,

Nah..its not out of control

Choice is a good thing. Lots of good options for travel clubs, outside training, camps, etc. Consider yourselves lucky. Have friends in Montana whose options are extremely limited.

Yes, the myriad elite clubs mean the talent is spread out and our area doesn't have a powerhouse club that wins all the national tournaments, but most people have several great options at several price points from which to choose if their kid wants to play soccer. And while everyone loves to say that no club develops players, I actually don't think that's true. And it isn't shocking or necessarily wrong that kids develop at one club then move to another as their needs change. Maybe some of the smaller clubs are better places to develop at U9-U13, but can't provide the national exposure that a DA or ECNL club can at the high school ages. Why not recognize/embrace that? Don't want to pay $8K+ for ECNL or GDA? Don't want to travel? Awesome! Stay in an NCSL club and send your kid to ODP for regional/natl exposure. Want your kid to play HS soccer but still get national showcases? Go for an ECNL club. One size doesn't fit all. Pick the club that best meets your kid's needs and don't worry about what everyone else is doing.

I'm talking about parents doing all of them...DA practice four times a week, to HP ELite / Vega one time a week, one month off in summer so going to Drakes camp, kissing butt with the right people, opening Top Drawer paid account to make sure my 8th grader is getting the stars she deserves, unofficial visits 5 years before college.

[Anonymous]

I'm talking about parents doing all of them...DA practice four times a week, to HP ELite / Vega one time a week, one month off in summer so going to Drakes camp, kissing butt with the right people, opening Top Drawer paid account to make sure my 8th grader is getting the stars she deserves, unofficial visits 5 years before college.

[Anonymous]

Giant, Harris Teeter, Wegmans, Whole Foods, Aldi, Trader Joe's, Safeway, Shoppers Food Warehouse, Lidl, yeah its outta control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Giant, Harris Teeter, Wegmans, Whole Foods, Aldi, Trader Joe's, Safeway, Shoppers Food Warehouse, Lidl, yeah its outta control.

Thanks for making my point. If you go to all of them to do your shopping then you have an issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Giant, Harris Teeter, Wegmans, Whole Foods, Aldi, Trader Joe's, Safeway, Shoppers Food Warehouse, Lidl, yeah its outta control.

Thanks for making my point. If you go to all of them to do your shopping then you have an issue.

Really? They offer different things. I routinely shop at Whole Foods, Trader Joes and Safeway. Costco about twice per year for bulk items.

One shop doesn't have everything I need. There is the convenience factor as well---which is why I don't shop at Wegman's (not nearby). And, Lidl just sucks.

Just like it's near impossible to find everything your kid needs at one Club....have to supplement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Giant, Harris Teeter, Wegmans, Whole Foods, Aldi, Trader Joe's, Safeway, Shoppers Food Warehouse, Lidl, yeah its outta control.

Thanks for making my point. If you go to all of them to do your shopping then you have an issue.

Shopping at multiple grocery stores means people have an issue? So I should get a crappy sheet cake at Giant when I know Wegman's sheet cake is better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DA / ECNL , HP Elite, Vega training; Drake summer camp, Top Drawer soccer paid account, unofficial visits,

Nah..its not out of control

Don't worry about it. You don't have to do it.

I don't worry about it. My child has a good touch and she learned it in the backyard for free and half the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Giant, Harris Teeter, Wegmans, Whole Foods, Aldi, Trader Joe's, Safeway, Shoppers Food Warehouse, Lidl, yeah its outta control.

Thanks for making my point. If you go to all of them to do your shopping then you have an issue.

Shopping at multiple grocery stores means people have an issue? So I should get a crappy sheet cake at Giant when I know Wegman's sheet cake is better?

You don't know anything about good cakes either if your eating crappy sheet cake.