Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to be a conspiracy theory nutter, but the information gap surrounding this easily avoidable and highly visible mass casualty event involving military aircraft has me truly wondering what they’re hiding. Like everyone, I’ve got my views on who should be responsible and safety protocols etc., but in the back of my mind I can’t help but feel that something is really off, beyond the obvious tragedy of losing so many lives.

This is why I won't be flying anytime soon. Yes, people will say I am insane, but--as Jeff pointed out in his summary of threads--things happening now with Shadow Prez Musk would sound like a conspiracy theory in more normal times.

There was a fire in a plane in Texas and a fourth plane issue at another airport. It's not just the ones in DC and Philly.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/united-plane-appears-catch-fire-231251389.html

You can't just fire important FAA officials and expect accidents won't happen with aircraft.

Do tell, which "important FAA officials" were fired? Let me answer that: none. They quit.

The director was forced to resign because Musk doesn’t like following safety regulations for SpaceX.

You’re an apologist. I’m familiar with your trolling apologist type.

You can go back to your role-playing video games now.

[Anonymous]

They won't be safe vacationing in other countries either.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

Rebecca as a Captain outranked the copilot, how does that factor in to decision making?

It may have.

NVGs likely were a factor.

That the plane saw the BH at the last second and tried to evade is sad.

ATC could have been more explicit.

NVGs have been used for decades without this ever happening before now. Helicopters and planes don’t crash into each other weekly, monthly, daily. Stop making up excuses. ATC has been using the same commands and language for decade, as have pilots - this wasn’t invented yesterday.

The issue lies with the three in that helicopter. Full stop. The combination of those three individuals is the variable. That plane route was regular and common and the runways were not new.

Were they paying attention? Were they jacking around? ATC was directing dozens of planes all night without issue.

Helicopter behavior on the night in question is the issue here.

Are you serious? In 2023 there were three plane crashes a day. Planes crash every single day. DC has had two major airline disasters.

https://www.newsweek.com/plane-crash-statistics-american-airlines-2023691#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20NTSB%2C%20there%20were%201%2C017%20non-fatal,decreased%20over%20the%20past%20decade%20and%20a%20half.

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

Rebecca as a Captain outranked the copilot, how does that factor in to decision making?

It may have.

NVGs likely were a factor.

That the plane saw the BH at the last second and tried to evade is sad.

ATC could have been more explicit.

NVGs have been used for decades without this ever happening before now. Helicopters and planes don’t crash into each other weekly, monthly, daily. Stop making up excuses. ATC has been using the same commands and language for decade, as have pilots - this wasn’t invented yesterday.

The issue lies with the three in that helicopter. Full stop. The combination of those three individuals is the variable. That plane route was regular and common and the runways were not new.

Were they paying attention? Were they jacking around? ATC was directing dozens of planes all night without issue.

Helicopter behavior on the night in question is the issue here.

Are you serious? In 2023 there were three plane crashes a day. Planes crash every single day. DC has had two major airline disasters.

https://www.newsweek.com/plane-crash-statistics-american-airlines-2023691#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20NTSB%2C%20there%20were%201%2C017%20non-fatal,decreased%20over%20the%20past%20decade%20and%20a%20half.

1. Newsweek is no longer a real source and hasn't been for a long time.
2. Commercial aviation and general aviation (private) are completely different. There hasn't been a U.S. commercial aviation fatality since Buffalo in 2009. I would NEVER fly general aviation. Never.

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Anonymous wrote:Start a new thread PPs. Call it Trump or Elon musk or whatever you want.

This thread is about a fatal midair jet/helo collision investigation.

+10000

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Anonymous wrote:I do think it’s odd all of the female pilot’s social media was completely scrubbed. But also her siblings and her parents.

Why? It’s the first thing I would do.

Because the other pilots and crew involved were released immediately, either willingly or not, I don’t know. They didn’t take extreme time and measures to erase all traces of them the public could potentially judge. And when you are involved in killing a bunch of people, the public will judge. By them not allowing military to release her name and then scrubbing all traces of narrative about her except what they explicitly publish, it seems like something is being hidden she would be judged harshly for- beyond her gender alone

Rebecca as a Captain outranked the copilot, how does that factor in to decision making?

It may have.

NVGs likely were a factor.

That the plane saw the BH at the last second and tried to evade is sad.

ATC could have been more explicit.

NVGs have been used for decades without this ever happening before now. Helicopters and planes don’t crash into each other weekly, monthly, daily. Stop making up excuses. ATC has been using the same commands and language for decade, as have pilots - this wasn’t invented yesterday.

The issue lies with the three in that helicopter. Full stop. The combination of those three individuals is the variable. That plane route was regular and common and the runways were not new.

Were they paying attention? Were they jacking around? ATC was directing dozens of planes all night without issue.

Helicopter behavior on the night in question is the issue here.

Are you serious? In 2023 there were three plane crashes a day. Planes crash every single day. DC has had two major airline disasters.

https://www.newsweek.com/plane-crash-statistics-american-airlines-2023691#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20NTSB%2C%20there%20were%201%2C017%20non-fatal,decreased%20over%20the%20past%20decade%20and%20a%20half.

1. Newsweek is no longer a real source and hasn't been for a long time.
2. Commercial aviation and general aviation (private) are completely different. There hasn't been a U.S. commercial aviation fatality since Buffalo in 2009. I would NEVER fly general aviation. Never.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Mutiny_Bay_DHC-3_Otter_crash

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Anonymous wrote:NTSB report confirmed heli was flying too high, why are we still discussing this?

I agree. To me the only question that remains is are we looking at malicious intent or gross incompetence. My money is on the latter.

Or something mechanical. These are really the only three viable possibilities at this time- but agree it looks like gross incompetence. Blaming Trump, Musk, some VIP, FAA is all wild and delusional

I think Musk took a helo trip to the CIA to get ready to fire them all or to ask them to resign. If there was not a VIP, then that helo would not have been out there.

They are keeping the VIP name secret? Why?

Probably so left wing nut jobs don’t shoot him/her.

They released the names of China experts from the CIA via unsecured email that the White House demanded. So they only care about protecting a VIP and not CIA officers? Understood.

[Anonymous]

Trump rambling about how his airplane captain uses guidance from another country, which he won’t name.

They’re gonna create a new untested system for the non one percent. Hope you can swim and also not catch on fire and also not die from impact.

Good luck!🍀



We're all gonna sit down and do a great computerized system for our control towers. Brand new. Not pieced together, obsolete, like it is, land-based. Trying to hook up a land-based system to a satellite system.

The first thing that some experts told me when this happened is you can't hook up land to satellites and you can't hook up satellites to land. It doesn't work. We spend billions of billions of dollars trying to renovate an old, broken system, instead of just saying cut it loose, and let's spend less money and build a great system done by two or three companies, very good companies, specialists, that's all it is.

They used 39 companies. That means that 39 different hookups have to happen. And I don't know how many people of you are good in terms of all of the kinds of things necessary for that. And it's very complex stuff.

But when you have 39 different companies working on hooking up different cities at different people. You need one company. With one set of equipment. And there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems.

And they would've, bells would've gone off when that helicopter literally even hit the same height. Because it traveled a long distance before it hit. It was just like, just wouldn't stop. Follow the line. But bells and whistles would've gone off. They have 'em where it actually could virtually turn the thing around. It would've just never happened if we had the right equipment.

And one of things that's gonna be, l'm gonna speaking to John and to Mike and to Chuck and everybody, we have to get together and just as a single bill just pass where we get the best control system.

When I land in my plane, privately, l use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I'm landing in New York and I'm using a sys- I won't tell you what country, but l use a system from another country because the captain says 'This thing is so bad, it's so obsolete.' And we can't have that.

[Anonymous]

Trump is going to talk to “everybody” about creating a new computerized air traffic system, and Musk’s DOGE will be in charge of the new computerized system.

So Musk’s teen MAGA coders will create this new system. No problem.

I wonder who will win the contract for this work….???

[Anonymous]

So let’s note that Trump blamed DEI for the crash.

But now he decided to change that.

Now he blames the computers so he can make money from replacing the system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump rambling about how his airplane captain uses guidance from another country, which he won’t name.

They’re gonna create a new untested system for the non one percent. Hope you can swim and also not catch on fire and also not die from impact.

Good luck!🍀



We're all gonna sit down and do a great computerized system for our control towers. Brand new. Not pieced together, obsolete, like it is, land-based. Trying to hook up a land-based system to a satellite system.

The first thing that some experts told me when this happened is you can't hook up land to satellites and you can't hook up satellites to land. It doesn't work. We spend billions of billions of dollars trying to renovate an old, broken system, instead of just saying cut it loose, and let's spend less money and build a great system done by two or three companies, very good companies, specialists, that's all it is.

They used 39 companies. That means that 39 different hookups have to happen. And I don't know how many people of you are good in terms of all of the kinds of things necessary for that. And it's very complex stuff.

But when you have 39 different companies working on hooking up different cities at different people. You need one company. With one set of equipment. And there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems.

And they would've, bells would've gone off when that helicopter literally even hit the same height. Because it traveled a long distance before it hit. It was just like, just wouldn't stop. Follow the line. But bells and whistles would've gone off. They have 'em where it actually could virtually turn the thing around. It would've just never happened if we had the right equipment.

And one of things that's gonna be, l'm gonna speaking to John and to Mike and to Chuck and everybody, we have to get together and just as a single bill just pass where we get the best control system.

When I land in my plane, privately, l use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I'm landing in New York and I'm using a sys- I won't tell you what country, but l use a system from another country because the captain says 'This thing is so bad, it's so obsolete.' And we can't have that.

NextGen has been a dismal failure with constant cost overruns and late delivery. All the contractors want a seat at the trough because the flow of money is neverending with little oversight. By the time something is ready for delivery it has already been made obsolete by new design specifications. It's currently due to be completed in 2030. I won't hold my breath.

NextGen is so lucrative, my former contracting company spun off the NextGen division as a separate company, hired all the current C-suites to run it, and sold the rest of the company to the highest bidder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is going to talk to “everybody” about creating a new computerized air traffic system, and Musk’s DOGE will be in charge of the new computerized system.

So Musk’s teen MAGA coders will create this new system. No problem.

I wonder who will win the contract for this work….???

exactly! More grifting

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump rambling about how his airplane captain uses guidance from another country, which he won’t name.

They’re gonna create a new untested system for the non one percent. Hope you can swim and also not catch on fire and also not die from impact.

Good luck!🍀



We're all gonna sit down and do a great computerized system for our control towers. Brand new. Not pieced together, obsolete, like it is, land-based. Trying to hook up a land-based system to a satellite system.

The first thing that some experts told me when this happened is you can't hook up land to satellites and you can't hook up satellites to land. It doesn't work. We spend billions of billions of dollars trying to renovate an old, broken system, instead of just saying cut it loose, and let's spend less money and build a great system done by two or three companies, very good companies, specialists, that's all it is.

They used 39 companies. That means that 39 different hookups have to happen. And I don't know how many people of you are good in terms of all of the kinds of things necessary for that. And it's very complex stuff.

But when you have 39 different companies working on hooking up different cities at different people. You need one company. With one set of equipment. And there are some countries that have unbelievable air controller systems.

And they would've, bells would've gone off when that helicopter literally even hit the same height. Because it traveled a long distance before it hit. It was just like, just wouldn't stop. Follow the line. But bells and whistles would've gone off. They have 'em where it actually could virtually turn the thing around. It would've just never happened if we had the right equipment.

And one of things that's gonna be, l'm gonna speaking to John and to Mike and to Chuck and everybody, we have to get together and just as a single bill just pass where we get the best control system.

When I land in my plane, privately, l use a system from another country because my captain tells me, I'm landing in New York and I'm using a sys- I won't tell you what country, but l use a system from another country because the captain says 'This thing is so bad, it's so obsolete.' And we can't have that.

NextGen has been a dismal failure with constant cost overruns and late delivery. All the contractors want a seat at the trough because the flow of money is neverending with little oversight. By the time something is ready for delivery it has already been made obsolete by new design specifications. It's currently due to be completed in 2030. I won't hold my breath.

NextGen is so lucrative, my former contracting company spun off the NextGen division as a separate company, hired all the current C-suites to run it, and sold the rest of the company to the highest bidder.

If DOGE really wants to DOGE it should look into modifying the FAR to more easily allow SSJ for critical systems. And then fund whatever litigation arm of whatever agency they need to in order to actually really defend protests to contract awards. And write deliverable deadlines with actual teeth.

[Anonymous]

The latest news is that ADS-B, a GPS-based system that was designed to prevent collisions, was turned off on the helicopter:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-safety-system-off-army-helicopter-that-collided-with-american-airlines-jet-2025-02-06/

[Anonymous]

Well now we know Elon Musk is scared. He was being investigated by the USAID IG and got the IG fired and shut down USAID.

Musk forced the FAA director to resign because he did not want to follow the safety rules.

And now people are dead.