Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:As far as SH, Liman did not credit the circumcision comment, the drafting of sex scenes, the inquiry about her weight, and the dance scene as amounting to SH.

He did leave open the possibility that the "sexy" comments, looking at her while undressed, the birth scene, and announcing Lively had never seen pornography could form a reasonable basis for SH. He sidestepped the Heath birth video and didn't mention the conversation where Baldoni said he didn't always ask for consent.

That's pretty fair and along the lines of stuff I've argued in this thread as a neutral/accused of being Blake bot.


It's highly unusual for the judge to take the decision of whether something is sexual harassment or not away from the fact finder, so striking that he did so repeatedly here. With respect to your middle paragraph, all he is saying is those allegations would have been sufficient to make it to a jury assuming that they occurred as described by Blake:

Viewed in the light most favorable to Lively, there is also sufficient evidence that it was reasonable for her to believe that the Wayfarer Parties sexually harassed her by creating a hostile work environment. In analyzing this issue, t[b]he Court need not, and does not, determine whether the relevant conduct rose to the level of sexual harassment[i]. See Yanowitz, 116 P.3d at 1131–32.

The birthing scene, how common the use of the word "sexy" was on set, and the interaction between her and Jamie Heath are all allegations where there are sufficient differences between the parties as to what occurred -- how undressed was Blake in the birthing scene, was the word sexy used by men and women (including Blake and Jenny) on set, and pretty much everything about the trailer interaction are all things we have argued about a lot. But the judge is only looking at Blake's version when evaluating whether it is a "reasonable belief" sufficient to make it to a jury.
Anonymous
Some relevant excerpts from the retaliation portion of the opinion:

The Wayfarer Parties argue that they took no adverse employment action against Lively and that their actions were instead reasonably intended to protect themselves and their reputations from unfair and false attacks. Dkt. No. 955 at 27–31. Lively responds that they
engaged in a coordinated attempt to attack her character and destroy her reputation in ways extending beyond mere “reasonable defensive measures.” Dkt. No. 1064 at 45–57.
At this stage, the Court need not, and may not, pass on whose account is more credible. See Frost v. N.Y.C. Police Dep’t, 980 F.3d 231, 242 (2d Cir. 2020). The question is whether Lively has provided more than a mere “scintilla” of evidence[i] to support her claim such that a reasonable jury viewing the evidence in her favor could find that the Wayfarer Parties took adverse employment action against her because of her protected activities. See Havey v. Homebound Mortg., Inc., 547 F.3d 158, 163 (2d Cir. 2008) (quoting Anderson, 477 U.S. at 252). The evidence here, viewed favorably to Lively, passes this test.
. . . .
In sum, the parties fiercely dispute the extent to which the backlash against Lively was “organic” or “artificial,” and which steps the Wayfarer Parties may have taken to protect themselves (versus which ones they may have taken to destroy Lively personally and her career). A jury can and should decide those questions.
. . . . To be sure, a jury could also find that something other than retaliation explains the actions of the Wayfarer Parties. As they argue, they “had a legitimate interest in protecting their reputations and the reception of their film” against negative press and would have taken steps to do so regardless of Lively’s protected activity. See Dkt. No. 955 at 32
Anonymous
10 out of 13 accusations were tossed and yet, her supporters (most likely graduates of trump University law school) were adamant about the purported merits of her case. The Internet is the best thing that ever happened to village idiots
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As far as SH, Liman did not credit the circumcision comment, the drafting of sex scenes, the inquiry about her weight, and the dance scene as amounting to SH.

He did leave open the possibility that the "sexy" comments, looking at her while undressed, the birth scene, and announcing Lively had never seen pornography could form a reasonable basis for SH. He sidestepped the Heath birth video and didn't mention the conversation where Baldoni said he didn't always ask for consent.

That's pretty fair and along the lines of stuff I've argued in this thread as a neutral/accused of being Blake bot.


It's highly unusual for the judge to take the decision of whether something is sexual harassment or not away from the fact finder, so striking that he did so repeatedly here. With respect to your middle paragraph, all he is saying is those allegations would have been sufficient to make it to a jury assuming that they occurred as described by Blake:

Viewed in the light most favorable to Lively, there is also sufficient evidence that it was reasonable for her to believe that the Wayfarer Parties sexually harassed her by creating a hostile work environment. In analyzing this issue, t[b]he Court need not, and does not, determine whether the relevant conduct rose to the level of sexual harassment[i]. See Yanowitz, 116 P.3d at 1131–32.

The birthing scene, how common the use of the word "sexy" was on set, and the interaction between her and Jamie Heath are all allegations where there are sufficient differences between the parties as to what occurred -- how undressed was Blake in the birthing scene, was the word sexy used by men and women (including Blake and Jenny) on set, and pretty much everything about the trailer interaction are all things we have argued about a lot. But the judge is only looking at Blake's version when evaluating whether it is a "reasonable belief" sufficient to make it to a jury.


That's what I said, that they could form a reasonable basis for SH, not that they satisfy the standard for SH.

It could be interesting to see how the parties will argue about jury instructions and such on this topic.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: 10 out of 13 accusations were tossed and yet, her supporters (most likely graduates of trump University law school) were adamant about the purported merits of her case. The Internet is the best thing that ever happened to village idiots


3 > 0
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Anonymous wrote: 10 out of 13 accusations were tossed and yet, her supporters (most likely graduates of trump University law school) were adamant about the purported merits of her case. The Internet is the best thing that ever happened to village idiots


I simply disagree with the judge's determination here.

But sexual harassment claims are always incredibly hard to prove, particularly in hostile work environment cases. I am not shocked, I am disappointed.
Anonymous
Case dismissed!
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Anonymous wrote:Can someone summarize the key debates in the previous thread?

I’m calling it now. Blake’s new castaway movie will do “surprisingly” well.

She’s still a gorgeous woman (looks better thick too) and people crave mindless romcoms.


Blake is looking too old to star in romcoms.

Playing the “hot blonde” doesn’t work when you’re in your 40’s and look it.


I actually think this movie sounds like a good fit for her age and personality. Rom coms are targeted at women, not men. The point is not to cast the most stunningly beautiful young actress you can find. Rom com actresses have to be relatable. That's why women in rom coms are always falling down, putting their foot in their mouth, or making boneheaded mistakes at work -- it helps the women those films/tv shows are targeted at feel like they can relate to someone who otherwise would be out of their league. So Blake actually suits a rom com concept more in her late 30s or 40s than she would have at 28, because her age and status as a mom (and maybe even her experience with this lawsuit) humanizes her and makes her feel like an attainable avatar for regular women watching her on screen. Thus, when she gets the guy and lands the big job, the audience will root for her instead of resenting her.


The problem with that viewpoint is that romcoms are usually about women in their 20’s or 30’s. I agree that there’s a market for actresses that have an interesting look and it’s not just about casting the most beautiful model.

But it has to make sense…

An actress who looks 40+ playing a 20 something takes me out of the story. That’s part of the reason Blake fell flat in IEWU. It’s bad casting. Like the 1980’s movies with “high school” students who were in their 30’s or white actors in blackface.


She wasn't cast as a 20-something though. She was cast to play her age (which is currently 37, not 40+). Baldoni specifically rejected suggestions of younger actresses because he was playing Ryle and he thought they'd look way too young with him (he actually is in his 40s). He was really enthusiastic about Lively's interest in the role. So she was hired to play a woman in her 30s.

Colleen Hoover has also talked about why the characters were aged up for the movie, and how she wrote the novel when she was younger and less experienced and she now realizes the ages of the characters in the book don't really make sense. An established neurosurgeon in his late 20s? An entrepreneur starting and running a successful retail business in her early 20s? It doesn't make sense. Justin's and Blake's actual ages make much more sense for these characters, plus having older actors/characters works better with the subject matter because then it's less about the impulsive behaviors of younger people with limited relationship experience. It allows the characters to all be held more accountable for their actions in a way that wouldn't necessarily be true for younger characters.

Also arguing that an actor playing down in age is similar to blackface is deranged. Time for a level set there. No one thinks Gabrielle Carteris should be canceled for playing a high school student when she was in her 30s -- they just think it was funny.


I have no idea what this thread is about but agree 20 somethings are too young for romance movies. What I do watch is dating game shows and they are much much more interesting when the people are 30 than 20.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Case dismissed!


Good. What a complete joke.
Anonymous
Blake didn’t like Justin. This was never about SH. Here’s how you know that’s true. Blake made Justin the center of her dispute in her NYT article, in her initial complaint, and even at the all hands meeting (remember she said Jamie can come if he wants). And yet the judge explicitly said that most of the claims involving Justin could not rise to harassment even if viewed in the light most favorable to Blake. The borderline stuff was pretty much all Jamie. Blake’s lawyers clocked this late in the game and made a hard pivot to focusing their legal case on Jamie. Yet Blake’s focus from the beginning was Justin. If this were about SH this would’ve been Blake vs Jamie. And yet Jamie was always a side character.
Anonymous
What stands out to me over and over again was one of the Sony executives, who definitely seem to be more on Blake’s side, saying at one point during the filming of the movie “there is no process that would work with Blake.”

Truer words were never written. From the start, she was full of rage and practically obsessed with Justin before they even started filming. She was having Taylor set him up and they were calling him a clown and a doofus when they’ve only had a couple meetings.

And then she couldn’t let it go. The next communication that really stands out to me that I can’t get out of my mind is Taylor in December 2024 basically telling her gently as a friend, you’ve become obsessed with this and yes it’s created distance between us.

What I find so sad is that her youngest child is 3 1/2 - his entire life Blake has been completely consumed with this - it literally has become an obsession and has cost her friendships and her career and all for what?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What stands out to me over and over again was one of the Sony executives, who definitely seem to be more on Blake’s side, saying at one point during the filming of the movie “there is no process that would work with Blake.”

Truer words were never written. From the start, she was full of rage and practically obsessed with Justin before they even started filming. She was having Taylor set him up and they were calling him a clown and a doofus when they’ve only had a couple meetings.

And then she couldn’t let it go. The next communication that really stands out to me that I can’t get out of my mind is Taylor in December 2024 basically telling her gently as a friend, you’ve become obsessed with this and yes it’s created distance between us.

What I find so sad is that her youngest child is 3 1/2 - his entire life Blake has been completely consumed with this - it literally has become an obsession and has cost her friendships and her career and all for what?


Why do you think Blake was so determined to hate him? I think it was the weight thing.
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Anonymous wrote:What stands out to me over and over again was one of the Sony executives, who definitely seem to be more on Blake’s side, saying at one point during the filming of the movie “there is no process that would work with Blake.”

Truer words were never written. From the start, she was full of rage and practically obsessed with Justin before they even started filming. She was having Taylor set him up and they were calling him a clown and a doofus when they’ve only had a couple meetings.

And then she couldn’t let it go. The next communication that really stands out to me that I can’t get out of my mind is Taylor in December 2024 basically telling her gently as a friend, you’ve become obsessed with this and yes it’s created distance between us.

What I find so sad is that her youngest child is 3 1/2 - his entire life Blake has been completely consumed with this - it literally has become an obsession and has cost her friendships and her career and all for what?


Why do you think Blake was so determined to hate him? I think it was the weight thing.
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It seems like she started before then even. It’s possible Ryan felt threatened after that first meeting and they just started snowballing off each other. But it also seems like they planned to take over using Reynolds Deadpool play book. If you look into the origin of that, he totally took over the franchise from the director and pushed him out. I think they were implementing a similar playbook.

I’m not saying they planned every move meticulously. I think the overall approach to the film before they even met Justin was that these are small players and we can walk all over them. They created an environment where Justin could not do anything right.

Add to that, Blake was clearly upset with her postpartum body and was feeling deeply insecure, and I’m sure that didn’t help things.
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Anonymous wrote:What stands out to me over and over again was one of the Sony executives, who definitely seem to be more on Blake’s side, saying at one point during the filming of the movie “there is no process that would work with Blake.”

Truer words were never written. From the start, she was full of rage and practically obsessed with Justin before they even started filming. She was having Taylor set him up and they were calling him a clown and a doofus when they’ve only had a couple meetings.

And then she couldn’t let it go. The next communication that really stands out to me that I can’t get out of my mind is Taylor in December 2024 basically telling her gently as a friend, you’ve become obsessed with this and yes it’s created distance between us.

What I find so sad is that her youngest child is 3 1/2 - his entire life Blake has been completely consumed with this - it literally has become an obsession and has cost her friendships and her career and all for what?


Why do you think Blake was so determined to hate him? I think it was the weight thing.


The weight thing and Ryan's ego
Anonymous
lol this ended up exactly as I predicted at the beginning - harassment claims dismissed but retaliation going to the fact finder.
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