UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14177405/Luigi-Mangione-Unitedhealthcare-CEO-brian-thompson-shooter-family-manifesto.html

He started yelling at the courthouse today at the cameras that someone (I couldn’t tell if he meant the cops or the news or whoever) was ‘completely out of touch' and 'insulting the intelligence of the American people'. This trial is going to be a ride. We now have footage of cops shoving Americas favorite criminal into the wall.

He needs to chill out. He's going to come across as "dangerous angry man" if he has outbursts. If he plays it cool and just flashes a few smiles, people will love him even more.

He is not sne master strategist.

He is a young man whose mental illness (and/or drug use, pain) drove him to homicide.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the two big contributors here are going to turn out to be weed (I bet he already used a lot in his frat in college, then it got worse with the back pain, and I’m sure there was free flowing weed in his commune in Hawaii) and playing first person shooter games. Weed absolutely precipitates psychotic illness in kids this age (see here for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33617756/). And growing up playing a lot of shooter games (it said several places that he was into them and at one point his goal was to develop his own) inured him to real life repercussions of shooting someone.

Yes, maybe to the weed, no to the video games. You probably don’t have college kids. They are frustrated with this country. People aren’t ready to kill, but there was so much attention on him because the environment is sh-t, there are people being needlessly killed across the globe, mental health isn’t funded (see UHC on this), and their quality of life will be worse than their parents (GenX). I’ve heard several kids say they don’t want to “bring kids into this world.” They didn’t want to vote (“feels pointless, it’s all theater”). Everything is so freaking expensive. We have a lot of problems in society that aren’t being addressed by either party because they’re so entrenched on drawing party lines. The millennials are about to have the biggest wealth transfer in history. GenZ is already, and knows they soon, bear the brunt of all of this.

On a micro level, this kid seemed to have a better quality of life than his parents. He lived in Hawaii, working remotely, surfing, and hanging with friends in this co-working/co-living community. He had the benefit of their wealth, no student debt despite a very expensive education. I don't really feel you can blame this on a generational frustration with income inequality or lack of opportunity because he is one of the lucky ones from his generation. Other Gen Zers definitely feel that way and rightfully so, but I don't see why he would.

I think this was more a case of someone with fragile mental health being radicalized online after a few IRL setbacks. He didn't lack for healthcare (had access to good care and the funds to pay for it), he wasn't struggling to buy a home (his parents bought him one), wasn't struggling finding stable work in the "gig economy" (had a good job in a solid field thanks to an expensive BS and MS from Penn, also paid for by his parents). He was very, very fortunate. Yet he became a killer. I think it was just buying into the online rage machine and perhaps being too disconnected from family, combined with underlying and untreated mental illness.

This will sound callous and I don't mean it that way because I feel for Thompson's family, but at least he just killed one guy. He'll go to prison for most of the rest of his life. Situations like this are often much, much worse.

All very true.

Dangers of social media and the internet + unstable Gen Zs + radicalization

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

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Anonymous wrote:Tim Walz was the murdered CEO’s personal friend.

and has Walz said anything to the public? To calm down the violent activists?

This is Walz’s statement. And the “personal friend” PP is full of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter too much what us middle age parents/professionals think about this.

On the social media I am seeing - Twitter and especially TikTok, this guy is a hero among millennials and younger.

Right or wrong, this is sparking a movement. The mainstream news and law enforcement will try to suppress it, but it is there.

The guy's twitter gives hints that he was a libertarian to maybe 'right' but he didn't seem radicalized politically.

No. It's not a movement.

Go to Ukraine or Syria to see a movement.

This was just a spoiled brat overeducated sociopath with a 3D printed gun.

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Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

+1000

The guy followed the Unibomber. If he had not shot the CEO of United HC he would have shot someone else. He was spiraling into mental illness and had not interacted with friends and family for months.

correct

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.

Why are you blaming the insurer and not the hospitals and doctors for their outrageous charges? The insurance industry evolved because hospitals and doctors were just charging whatever they wanted and ordering procedures for anything and everything until just paying claims became unsustainable.

This is correct, both sides are to blame. The entire industry needs to be regulated.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

This is definitely the OJ trial of the 2020s. Rich family, handsome man with a cause that resonates with a lot of people, victim who was under criminal investigation himself with a drunk driving record and got a $23 million dollar bonus last year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

+1 random McDonald’s worker ids him but not one of his 30 cousins do?

They probably did not know where he was - he had cut all contact.

None of them watched the news and saw his face all over it? How did the McDs employee recognize him based on that but nobody who had actually met him before?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

My mother ran Special Olympics back when United Airlines was the main corp sponsor. We did a ton of volunteer work via that in Chicago and abroad, and met many families with physical, mental, and emotional pain.

We have seen families with pain and suffering, the handicapped individual and all loved ones. All dealing with aid and healthcare systems, and having counseling, and choosing to live through the hardness of it all. Not get a gun, stalk and shoot CEOs.

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Anonymous wrote:This is definitely the OJ trial of the 2020s. Rich family, handsome man with a cause that resonates with a lot of people, victim who was under criminal investigation himself with a drunk driving record and got a $23 million dollar bonus last year.

This is nothing like OJ. Nicole and Ron Goldman did nothing to deserve their violent deaths by a jealous exhusband.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

+1000

The guy followed the Unibomber. If he had not shot the CEO of United HC he would have shot someone else. He was spiraling into mental illness and had not interacted with friends and family for months.

How many people did the CEO of United HC kill by denying claims? There are a lot of people who lost their loved ones because insurance refused to pay for procedures they said they would.

False.

No one knows what the outcome would be after what procedure. First off, look at the data and efficacy. Plus costs.

I skipped out on sinus surgery after learning 2 years later all patients were back to square one. waste of time and money. And hope.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the two big contributors here are going to turn out to be weed (I bet he already used a lot in his frat in college, then it got worse with the back pain, and I’m sure there was free flowing weed in his commune in Hawaii) and playing first person shooter games. Weed absolutely precipitates psychotic illness in kids this age (see here for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33617756/). And growing up playing a lot of shooter games (it said several places that he was into them and at one point his goal was to develop his own) inured him to real life repercussions of shooting someone.

Yes, maybe to the weed, no to the video games. You probably don’t have college kids. They are frustrated with this country. People aren’t ready to kill, but there was so much attention on him because the environment is sh-t, there are people being needlessly killed across the globe, mental health isn’t funded (see UHC on this), and their quality of life will be worse than their parents (GenX). I’ve heard several kids say they don’t want to “bring kids into this world.” They didn’t want to vote (“feels pointless, it’s all theater”). Everything is so freaking expensive. We have a lot of problems in society that aren’t being addressed by either party because they’re so entrenched on drawing party lines. The millennials are about to have the biggest wealth transfer in history. GenZ is already, and knows they soon, bear the brunt of all of this.

On a micro level, this kid seemed to have a better quality of life than his parents. He lived in Hawaii, working remotely, surfing, and hanging with friends in this co-working/co-living community. He had the benefit of their wealth, no student debt despite a very expensive education. I don't really feel you can blame this on a generational frustration with income inequality or lack of opportunity because he is one of the lucky ones from his generation. Other Gen Zers definitely feel that way and rightfully so, but I don't see why he would.

I think this was more a case of someone with fragile mental health being radicalized online after a few IRL setbacks. He didn't lack for healthcare (had access to good care and the funds to pay for it), he wasn't struggling to buy a home (his parents bought him one), wasn't struggling finding stable work in the "gig economy" (had a good job in a solid field thanks to an expensive BS and MS from Penn, also paid for by his parents). He was very, very fortunate. Yet he became a killer. I think it was just buying into the online rage machine and perhaps being too disconnected from family, combined with underlying and untreated mental illness.

This will sound callous and I don't mean it that way because I feel for Thompson's family, but at least he just killed one guy. He'll go to prison for most of the rest of his life. Situations like this are often much, much worse.

All very true.

Dangers of social media and the internet + unstable Gen Zs + radicalization

Agreed. Also, the kid killed an evil criminal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So lots of people in Baltimore, including his family must have recognized his photo from the news, but nobody turned him in?

+1 random McDonald’s worker ids him but not one of his 30 cousins do?

They probably did not know where he was - he had cut all contact.

No one in his family recognized his picture? I'm not buying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe some of you thought he was good looking. He's hideous.

He looks good in his old pics. He is way skinny now and looks rough. He has reported missing November 18th by his family so he probably hasn’t been taking care of himself well.

How did they not know it was him with those pictures plastered all over?

who cares if his family didn’t identify him? they weren’t harboring him. they didn’t know where he was

You don’t think telling the cops who he was might have helped? If you knew that was your brother, cousin, son wouldn’t you be worried for their safety?