immmigrant haters: do you really want to be like Japan?

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Anonymous wrote:Check your comprehension, 18:54.

What is there to comprehend? Collapsing population = collapse of workers to support your social security and continue growing the economy.

Where exactly is your population collapsing? Do you have housing for migrants?

Let me quote this again:

"Due to demographic changes, the U.S. Social Security system will face financial challenges in the near future. Declining fertility rates and increasing life expectancies are causing the U.S. population to age. Today 12 percent of the total population is aged 65 or older, but by 2080, it will be 23 percent. At the same time, the working-age population is shrinking from 60 percent today to a projected 54 percent in 2080. Consequently, the Social Security system is experiencing a declining worker-to-beneficiary ratio, which will fall from 3.3 in 2005 to 2.1 in 2040 (the year in which the Social Security trust fund is projected to be exhausted). This presents a significant challenge to policymakers."

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v66n4/v66n4p37.html

The native born population in the US IS NOT GROWING FAST ENOUGH to maintain our current level of functioning as a nation. Social Security is one casualty of that.

Do you understand that, like, cognitively? Can you read? Do you grasp that the older generations depend on the younger generations to work?

I don't depend on Social Security and neither should you.

wow, um, ok. you have a truly well thought-out approach. as some one else said, "let them eat cake."

[Anonymous]

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Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

What? I'm an immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We speak two foreign languages in the house. We live in a nice neighborhood with $1M+ houses with a sizable population of brown immigrants that fit the same profile - advanced degrees, high incomes, independent thinkers. Our kids go to a school that's diverse ethnically but fairly homogeneous SES-wise, and we like it just like that. There is no need to import poverty or low skills; god knows there's enough of that home grown. You are too locked into cliches to really have the intellectual courage to admit that other people may have views different from yours and do so rationally. Guess it's easier for you to think that everyone opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people or foreign languages. Moron. Have you seen advanced placement classrooms in Fairfax county? They are majority brown for chrissakes. That's the sort of immigration no one is afraid of, the kind of immigration that ought to be welcome with wider-opened arms.

being Asian is no bar to being racist (see: Japan). And you're deluding yourself if you think racism isn't motivating Trump's usage of the boogeyman of "illegal immigrants." but anyway, thanks for clarifying that you don't actually have first-hand experience having your schools and neighborhoods "ruined" by immigrants. what's your point again?

That you are completely wrong when you say people opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people speaking different languages (and also have dim children) - since I am opposed to illegal immigration, am brown, speak two other languages in my house, and have very bright, light brown children.

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Oh, and let me fix that for you. Like it or not, there IS a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Just like there are legal motorists and illegal motorists. When someone exceeds the posted speed limit, we take away their kids. #Justice

You have zero sense of proportionality. And that's probably the least of your issues.
-DP

You're going to have to explain it better than that. If immigrants are not inherently good or bad, then immigrating without proper paperwork is just a regulatory crime. (I think Trump supporters call these "process crimes.") The seriousness of that offense depends on how well designed the regulations are. Our immigration system is not well designed. For starters, we haven't funded it well enough to make it sufficiently efficient.

If someone speeds, I know that they're more likely to hurt someone than someone who doesn't speed. I don't know that an immigrant here without the proper paperwork is any more likely to cause me harm than an immigrant with all the signatures and stamps in order.

I honestly can't believe I'm wasting time replying to such a dolt, but here goes. Illegal immigrants aren't simply hopping into the US for a day trip. They're not coming here to go shopping and then return to their home country later that day. They come here with the full expectation of LIVING here, with everything that entails - free healthcare, free education, under-the-table cash jobs, etc. If you actually think that "immigrating without proper paperwork" is simply a "regulatory crime," then you're clearly ignorant of the types of neighborhoods that have been described for you on this very thread - those in which illegal immigrants have crowded into SFHs and schools, bringing down home values.

I'm curious: why are you so insistent that we allow illegal immigrants in? Why are you arguing for open borders? You do know we accept plenty of LEGAL immigrants, right? So your bizarre comparison to Japan is way off-base.

It's not enough

The US needs an underclass to do menial jobs and to support SS. The alternative is for the more educated to have more kids but like Japan that isn't happening.

It's not just "menial jobs." Yes, the need for low-skill immigrants does reflect a need for low-skill labor. But the demographic collapse is overall -- there just won't be the wage base, at any economic level.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/

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Oh, and let me fix that for you. Like it or not, there IS a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Just like there are legal motorists and illegal motorists. When someone exceeds the posted speed limit, we take away their kids. #Justice

You have zero sense of proportionality. And that's probably the least of your issues.
-DP

You're going to have to explain it better than that. If immigrants are not inherently good or bad, then immigrating without proper paperwork is just a regulatory crime. (I think Trump supporters call these "process crimes.") The seriousness of that offense depends on how well designed the regulations are. Our immigration system is not well designed. For starters, we haven't funded it well enough to make it sufficiently efficient.

If someone speeds, I know that they're more likely to hurt someone than someone who doesn't speed. I don't know that an immigrant here without the proper paperwork is any more likely to cause me harm than an immigrant with all the signatures and stamps in order.

I honestly can't believe I'm wasting time replying to such a dolt, but here goes. Illegal immigrants aren't simply hopping into the US for a day trip. They're not coming here to go shopping and then return to their home country later that day. They come here with the full expectation of LIVING here, with everything that entails - free healthcare, free education, under-the-table cash jobs, etc. If you actually think that "immigrating without proper paperwork" is simply a "regulatory crime," then you're clearly ignorant of the types of neighborhoods that have been described for you on this very thread - those in which illegal immigrants have crowded into SFHs and schools, bringing down home values.

I'm curious: why are you so insistent that we allow illegal immigrants in? Why are you arguing for open borders? You do know we accept plenty of LEGAL immigrants, right? So your bizarre comparison to Japan is way off-base.

It's not enough

The US needs an underclass to do menial jobs and to support SS. The alternative is for the more educated to have more kids but like Japan that isn't happening.

So, as suspected, you're advocating for a permanent underclass. Yet you're probably one of the same people railing against "income disparity" and insisting more needs to be done to close the gap. What a hypocrite.

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Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

What? I'm an immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We speak two foreign languages in the house. We live in a nice neighborhood with $1M+ houses with a sizable population of brown immigrants that fit the same profile - advanced degrees, high incomes, independent thinkers. Our kids go to a school that's diverse ethnically but fairly homogeneous SES-wise, and we like it just like that. There is no need to import poverty or low skills; god knows there's enough of that home grown. You are too locked into cliches to really have the intellectual courage to admit that other people may have views different from yours and do so rationally. Guess it's easier for you to think that everyone opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people or foreign languages. Moron. Have you seen advanced placement classrooms in Fairfax county? They are majority brown for chrissakes. That's the sort of immigration no one is afraid of, the kind of immigration that ought to be welcome with wider-opened arms.

being Asian is no bar to being racist (see: Japan). And you're deluding yourself if you think racism isn't motivating Trump's usage of the boogeyman of "illegal immigrants." but anyway, thanks for clarifying that you don't actually have first-hand experience having your schools and neighborhoods "ruined" by immigrants. what's your point again?

That you are completely wrong when you say people opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people speaking different languages (and also have dim children) - since I am opposed to illegal immigration, am brown, speak two other languages in my house, and have very bright, light brown children.

No, you can be racist for your own, special reasons.

[Anonymous]

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It's not just "menial jobs." Yes, the need for low-skill immigrants does reflect a need for low-skill labor. But the demographic collapse is overall -- there just won't be the wage base, at any economic level.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/

You've posted an article that uses the word "stagnation", not "collapse."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and let me fix that for you. Like it or not, there IS a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Just like there are legal motorists and illegal motorists. When someone exceeds the posted speed limit, we take away their kids. #Justice

You have zero sense of proportionality. And that's probably the least of your issues.
-DP

You're going to have to explain it better than that. If immigrants are not inherently good or bad, then immigrating without proper paperwork is just a regulatory crime. (I think Trump supporters call these "process crimes.") The seriousness of that offense depends on how well designed the regulations are. Our immigration system is not well designed. For starters, we haven't funded it well enough to make it sufficiently efficient.

If someone speeds, I know that they're more likely to hurt someone than someone who doesn't speed. I don't know that an immigrant here without the proper paperwork is any more likely to cause me harm than an immigrant with all the signatures and stamps in order.

I honestly can't believe I'm wasting time replying to such a dolt, but here goes. Illegal immigrants aren't simply hopping into the US for a day trip. They're not coming here to go shopping and then return to their home country later that day. They come here with the full expectation of LIVING here, with everything that entails - free healthcare, free education, under-the-table cash jobs, etc. If you actually think that "immigrating without proper paperwork" is simply a "regulatory crime," then you're clearly ignorant of the types of neighborhoods that have been described for you on this very thread - those in which illegal immigrants have crowded into SFHs and schools, bringing down home values.

I'm curious: why are you so insistent that we allow illegal immigrants in? Why are you arguing for open borders? You do know we accept plenty of LEGAL immigrants, right? So your bizarre comparison to Japan is way off-base.

It's not enough

The US needs an underclass to do menial jobs and to support SS. The alternative is for the more educated to have more kids but like Japan that isn't happening.

So, as suspected, you're advocating for a permanent underclass. Yet you're probably one of the same people railing against "income disparity" and insisting more needs to be done to close the gap. What a hypocrite.

DP. Again - what creates an underclass is PRECISELY that the economy is allowed to run on a pool of illegal labor. Regularlizing their status combats exploitation -- it's the single most important thing to do. You kind of tell on yourself when you assume that advocating for low-skill labor is the equivalent to exploiting them.

[Anonymous]

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Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

What? I'm an immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We speak two foreign languages in the house. We live in a nice neighborhood with $1M+ houses with a sizable population of brown immigrants that fit the same profile - advanced degrees, high incomes, independent thinkers. Our kids go to a school that's diverse ethnically but fairly homogeneous SES-wise, and we like it just like that. There is no need to import poverty or low skills; god knows there's enough of that home grown. You are too locked into cliches to really have the intellectual courage to admit that other people may have views different from yours and do so rationally. Guess it's easier for you to think that everyone opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people or foreign languages. Moron. Have you seen advanced placement classrooms in Fairfax county? They are majority brown for chrissakes. That's the sort of immigration no one is afraid of, the kind of immigration that ought to be welcome with wider-opened arms.

being Asian is no bar to being racist (see: Japan). And you're deluding yourself if you think racism isn't motivating Trump's usage of the boogeyman of "illegal immigrants." but anyway, thanks for clarifying that you don't actually have first-hand experience having your schools and neighborhoods "ruined" by immigrants. what's your point again?

That you are completely wrong when you say people opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people speaking different languages (and also have dim children) - since I am opposed to illegal immigration, am brown, speak two other languages in my house, and have very bright, light brown children.

Well said. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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It's not just "menial jobs." Yes, the need for low-skill immigrants does reflect a need for low-skill labor. But the demographic collapse is overall -- there just won't be the wage base, at any economic level.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2018/12/21/us-population-growth-hits-80-year-low-capping-off-a-year-of-demographic-stagnation/

You've posted an article that uses the word "stagnation", not "collapse."

Pardon me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and let me fix that for you. Like it or not, there IS a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Just like there are legal motorists and illegal motorists. When someone exceeds the posted speed limit, we take away their kids. #Justice

You have zero sense of proportionality. And that's probably the least of your issues.
-DP

You're going to have to explain it better than that. If immigrants are not inherently good or bad, then immigrating without proper paperwork is just a regulatory crime. (I think Trump supporters call these "process crimes.") The seriousness of that offense depends on how well designed the regulations are. Our immigration system is not well designed. For starters, we haven't funded it well enough to make it sufficiently efficient.

If someone speeds, I know that they're more likely to hurt someone than someone who doesn't speed. I don't know that an immigrant here without the proper paperwork is any more likely to cause me harm than an immigrant with all the signatures and stamps in order.

I honestly can't believe I'm wasting time replying to such a dolt, but here goes. Illegal immigrants aren't simply hopping into the US for a day trip. They're not coming here to go shopping and then return to their home country later that day. They come here with the full expectation of LIVING here, with everything that entails - free healthcare, free education, under-the-table cash jobs, etc. If you actually think that "immigrating without proper paperwork" is simply a "regulatory crime," then you're clearly ignorant of the types of neighborhoods that have been described for you on this very thread - those in which illegal immigrants have crowded into SFHs and schools, bringing down home values.

I'm curious: why are you so insistent that we allow illegal immigrants in? Why are you arguing for open borders? You do know we accept plenty of LEGAL immigrants, right? So your bizarre comparison to Japan is way off-base.

It's not enough

The US needs an underclass to do menial jobs and to support SS. The alternative is for the more educated to have more kids but like Japan that isn't happening.

So, as suspected, you're advocating for a permanent underclass. Yet you're probably one of the same people railing against "income disparity" and insisting more needs to be done to close the gap. What a hypocrite.

DP. Again - what creates an underclass is PRECISELY that the economy is allowed to run on a pool of illegal labor. Regularlizing their status combats exploitation -- it's the single most important thing to do. You kind of tell on yourself when you assume that advocating for low-skill labor is the equivalent to exploiting them.

Exactly!!

[Anonymous]

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Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

What? I'm an immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We speak two foreign languages in the house. We live in a nice neighborhood with $1M+ houses with a sizable population of brown immigrants that fit the same profile - advanced degrees, high incomes, independent thinkers. Our kids go to a school that's diverse ethnically but fairly homogeneous SES-wise, and we like it just like that. There is no need to import poverty or low skills; god knows there's enough of that home grown. You are too locked into cliches to really have the intellectual courage to admit that other people may have views different from yours and do so rationally. Guess it's easier for you to think that everyone opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people or foreign languages. Moron. Have you seen advanced placement classrooms in Fairfax county? They are majority brown for chrissakes. That's the sort of immigration no one is afraid of, the kind of immigration that ought to be welcome with wider-opened arms.

being Asian is no bar to being racist (see: Japan). And you're deluding yourself if you think racism isn't motivating Trump's usage of the boogeyman of "illegal immigrants." but anyway, thanks for clarifying that you don't actually have first-hand experience having your schools and neighborhoods "ruined" by immigrants. what's your point again?

That you are completely wrong when you say people opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people speaking different languages (and also have dim children) - since I am opposed to illegal immigration, am brown, speak two other languages in my house, and have very bright, light brown children.

No, you can be racist for your own, special reasons.

I'm VERY open to educated, affluent dark people. But guess it's easier for you to throw names around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Dig, dig, dig that hole. You've thoroughly proven your motivation is animus against immigrants -- all you have to go on is that you don't like seeing brown people speaking foreign languages (legal or not) in your community. FWIW my kid goes to diverse school and I have always lived in diverse settings, so I have no fear. Your kids must be kind of dim if the presence of English Language Learners is such a huge issue.

What? I'm an immigrant married to a brown immigrant. We speak two foreign languages in the house. We live in a nice neighborhood with $1M+ houses with a sizable population of brown immigrants that fit the same profile - advanced degrees, high incomes, independent thinkers. Our kids go to a school that's diverse ethnically but fairly homogeneous SES-wise, and we like it just like that. There is no need to import poverty or low skills; god knows there's enough of that home grown. You are too locked into cliches to really have the intellectual courage to admit that other people may have views different from yours and do so rationally. Guess it's easier for you to think that everyone opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people or foreign languages. Moron. Have you seen advanced placement classrooms in Fairfax county? They are majority brown for chrissakes. That's the sort of immigration no one is afraid of, the kind of immigration that ought to be welcome with wider-opened arms.

being Asian is no bar to being racist (see: Japan). And you're deluding yourself if you think racism isn't motivating Trump's usage of the boogeyman of "illegal immigrants." but anyway, thanks for clarifying that you don't actually have first-hand experience having your schools and neighborhoods "ruined" by immigrants. what's your point again?

That you are completely wrong when you say people opposed to illegal immigration must be afraid of brown people speaking different languages (and also have dim children) - since I am opposed to illegal immigration, am brown, speak two other languages in my house, and have very bright, light brown children.

No, you can be racist for your own, special reasons.

I'm VERY open to educated, affluent dark people. But guess it's easier for you to throw names around.

Oh excuse me, you are only racist when there's a class-ethnicity intersection that you dislike. Got it. Well, it's pretty common.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and let me fix that for you. Like it or not, there IS a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Just like there are legal motorists and illegal motorists. When someone exceeds the posted speed limit, we take away their kids. #Justice

You have zero sense of proportionality. And that's probably the least of your issues.
-DP

You're going to have to explain it better than that. If immigrants are not inherently good or bad, then immigrating without proper paperwork is just a regulatory crime. (I think Trump supporters call these "process crimes.") The seriousness of that offense depends on how well designed the regulations are. Our immigration system is not well designed. For starters, we haven't funded it well enough to make it sufficiently efficient.

If someone speeds, I know that they're more likely to hurt someone than someone who doesn't speed. I don't know that an immigrant here without the proper paperwork is any more likely to cause me harm than an immigrant with all the signatures and stamps in order.

I honestly can't believe I'm wasting time replying to such a dolt, but here goes. Illegal immigrants aren't simply hopping into the US for a day trip. They're not coming here to go shopping and then return to their home country later that day. They come here with the full expectation of LIVING here, with everything that entails - free healthcare, free education, under-the-table cash jobs, etc. If you actually think that "immigrating without proper paperwork" is simply a "regulatory crime," then you're clearly ignorant of the types of neighborhoods that have been described for you on this very thread - those in which illegal immigrants have crowded into SFHs and schools, bringing down home values.

I'm curious: why are you so insistent that we allow illegal immigrants in? Why are you arguing for open borders? You do know we accept plenty of LEGAL immigrants, right? So your bizarre comparison to Japan is way off-base.

It's not enough

The US needs an underclass to do menial jobs and to support SS. The alternative is for the more educated to have more kids but like Japan that isn't happening.

So, as suspected, you're advocating for a permanent underclass. Yet you're probably one of the same people railing against "income disparity" and insisting more needs to be done to close the gap. What a hypocrite.

DP. Again - what creates an underclass is PRECISELY that the economy is allowed to run on a pool of illegal labor. Regularlizing their status combats exploitation -- it's the single most important thing to do. You kind of tell on yourself when you assume that advocating for low-skill labor is the equivalent to exploiting them.

You are advocating for CHEAP labor, not low-skill one, and that's why it's exploitation.

[Anonymous]

Why do open border dems want open borders?
Cheap Labor?

[Anonymous]

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Oh, and let me fix that for you. Like it or not, there IS a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

Just like there are legal motorists and illegal motorists. When someone exceeds the posted speed limit, we take away their kids. #Justice

Well if you speed in MoCo, you get a ticket. All day, every day because of the numerous speed cameras all over the county. There is some negative consequence and some motivation to not do it again and again.

But if you immigrate to MoCo illegally, you get free health insurance for you child, free schooling, free instruction in a second language, free breakfast, free lunch, free backpacks, etc.

You may disagree, but I see this as a problem.

I surely hope you're not a Christian. The idea that we would have an economic system that depends on and thrives on illegal labor, which you benefit from as well, but you want their children to go without education, health care, and food, instead of acknowledging the reality and regularlizing them ....

That’s good because I’m certainly not a Christian. And I don’t think that anyway.

I think our economic system should NOT depend on illegal immigration. You want to fight for more reasonable immigration laws, I’m on board. But the fight for more illegal immigration calls flat.

Nobody is fighting for more illegal immigration, g*d d*nm you are dense.

OP is fighting for more illegal immigration. With all her links about how illegal immigrants are so important to the economy. And by decriminalizing illegal immigration, you provide illegal immigrants more incentive to come to the US illegally.

How about we implement some negative consequences for people who come here illegally, instead of showering them with taxpayer-funded benefits? Maybe that would help.