So, where are your kids starting college next fall?

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I can't find the original study but here are some articles about their hiring process.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregoryferenstein/2015/11/23/why-google-wants-to-stop-hiring-based-on-ivy-league-credentials/#7fe1d6664811

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/12/20/the-surprising-thing-google-learned-about-its-employees-and-what-it-means-for-todays-students/?utm_term=.ee71df5b31d4

The articles are a little cheeky but you get the point.

The original article which I can't find compared programmers from Ivy vs. State school after 5 years of work experience.

Facebook is following their lead. https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2016/05/02/non-ivy-recruiting-brightens-aided-by-facebooks-300-school-list/#a1d653ab5fc4

Unfortunately, those Google articles seem to be discussing Project Oxygen, which is about hiring managers not technical staff. I doubt anyone is very surprised that technical skills are not as important as soft skills in a management role.

As for the Forbes article about Facebook, they don’t seem to be arguing that a school has no effect on the quality of candidates, just that some firms are making a mistake if they focus exclusively on top schools. That makes perfect sense.

I said before that school is definitely beneath knowledge and enthusiasm in terms of priorities for hiring. Still, if I have three resumes on my desk, I’m going to interview the Harvard (or MIT, Stanford, etc.) candidate first.

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

Thank you for your informative post. May I ask where you found information about the number of students anonymously reporting being a victim of sexual assault? Do you know if this information is available for many colleges?

The Dumas probably made up to confuse the issue.

The link the rape apologist provided may turn out to be false. The poster is claiming schools like Pomona and Williams is doing a better job of reporting rape than other schools. This claim may not true. In Pomona there is a concern that Pomona College is actively retaliating against women who come forward to suppress the reports. Some in Pomona (not the administrators) have come up with an online way of reporting assaults without the fear of what could be vindictive Pomona College retaliating against rape victims.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/12/06/567605752/a-tech-based-tool-to-address-campus-sexual-assault

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

Thank you for your informative post. May I ask where you found information about the number of students anonymously reporting being a victim of sexual assault? Do you know if this information is available for many colleges?

The Dumas probably made up to confuse the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

Thank you for your informative post. May I ask where you found information about the number of students anonymously reporting being a victim of sexual assault? Do you know if this information is available for many colleges?

Said the rape apologist...

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks don't really know all the schools.

For instance in Mass most folks know Boston University, Northeastern and Harvard which are three of the four largest colleges in Mass.

But surprisingly to me at least UMASS Amherst is the largest college in that state.

I doubt most people even know the difference between Boston University & Boston College. Or UNC-Chapel Hill & NC State or Wesleyan (the highly ranked SLAC in CT) & Ohio Wesleyan. Or....

Most people probably couldn't accurately name all the Ivys either. My cousin from Boston, for instance, recently asked me if Providence was an Ivy League school. And he is highly educated!

So, yeah, just because someone (on or off this board) hasn't heard of a school or know that it is highly ranked doesn't mean that it isn't an excellent school.

Never said it wasn't an excellent school. Just low "brand" recognition.

ok. Brand recognition doesn't matter to most of us. That's not how to pick a school.

That's fine. But don't expect hiring managers to know all of the little, obscure schools.

employers know Davidson just fine, thanks.

No actually they don't.

+1 outside of the southeast it really is a no name school. That may not be fair but that’s the way it is.

Davidson's class of 2018 has 13 Fulbright scholars. Not bad for a tiny, "no name" school!

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Oberlin!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawrence University - turned down Skidmore and Grinnell for it. She just fell in love.

Choosing Lawrence over Grinnell is like choosing JMU over UVA. Makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:
I can't find the original study but here are some articles about their hiring process.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregoryferenstein/2015/11/23/why-google-wants-to-stop-hiring-based-on-ivy-league-credentials/#7fe1d6664811

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/12/20/the-surprising-thing-google-learned-about-its-employees-and-what-it-means-for-todays-students/?utm_term=.ee71df5b31d4

The articles are a little cheeky but you get the point.

The original article which I can't find compared programmers from Ivy vs. State school after 5 years of work experience.

Facebook is following their lead. https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2016/05/02/non-ivy-recruiting-brightens-aided-by-facebooks-300-school-list/#a1d653ab5fc4

Unfortunately, those Google articles seem to be discussing Project Oxygen, which is about hiring managers not technical staff. I doubt anyone is very surprised that technical skills are not as important as soft skills in a management role.

As for the Forbes article about Facebook, they don’t seem to be arguing that a school has no effect on the quality of candidates, just that some firms are making a mistake if they focus exclusively on top schools. That makes perfect sense.

I said before that school is definitely beneath knowledge and enthusiasm in terms of priorities for hiring. Still, if I have three resumes on my desk, I’m going to interview the Harvard (or MIT, Stanford, etc.) candidate first.

Depends on the job. I'd probably interview someone from my alma mater first.

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks don't really know all the schools.

For instance in Mass most folks know Boston University, Northeastern and Harvard which are three of the four largest colleges in Mass.

But surprisingly to me at least UMASS Amherst is the largest college in that state.

I doubt most people even know the difference between Boston University & Boston College. Or UNC-Chapel Hill & NC State or Wesleyan (the highly ranked SLAC in CT) & Ohio Wesleyan. Or....

Most people probably couldn't accurately name all the Ivys either. My cousin from Boston, for instance, recently asked me if Providence was an Ivy League school. And he is highly educated!

So, yeah, just because someone (on or off this board) hasn't heard of a school or know that it is highly ranked doesn't mean that it isn't an excellent school.

Never said it wasn't an excellent school. Just low "brand" recognition.

ok. Brand recognition doesn't matter to most of us. That's not how to pick a school.

That's fine. But don't expect hiring managers to know all of the little, obscure schools.

employers know Davidson just fine, thanks.

No actually they don't.

+1 outside of the southeast it really is a no name school. That may not be fair but that’s the way it is.

Davidson's class of 2018 has 13 Fulbright scholars. Not bad for a tiny, "no name" school!

Anyone who's "in the know" knows Davidson. This includes grad schools familiar with its rigor. Not too worried about lack of name recognition by the general public. Anyone who reads the USNWR best liberal arts colleges list knows the name.

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Anonymous wrote:Most folks don't really know all the schools.

For instance in Mass most folks know Boston University, Northeastern and Harvard which are three of the four largest colleges in Mass.

But surprisingly to me at least UMASS Amherst is the largest college in that state.

I doubt most people even know the difference between Boston University & Boston College. Or UNC-Chapel Hill & NC State or Wesleyan (the highly ranked SLAC in CT) & Ohio Wesleyan. Or....

Most people probably couldn't accurately name all the Ivys either. My cousin from Boston, for instance, recently asked me if Providence was an Ivy League school. And he is highly educated!

So, yeah, just because someone (on or off this board) hasn't heard of a school or know that it is highly ranked doesn't mean that it isn't an excellent school.

Never said it wasn't an excellent school. Just low "brand" recognition.

ok. Brand recognition doesn't matter to most of us. That's not how to pick a school.

That's fine. But don't expect hiring managers to know all of the little, obscure schools.

employers know Davidson just fine, thanks.

No actually they don't.

+1 outside of the southeast it really is a no name school. That may not be fair but that’s the way it is.

Davidson's class of 2018 has 13 Fulbright scholars. Not bad for a tiny, "no name" school!

Anyone who's "in the know" knows Davidson. This includes grad schools familiar with its rigor. Not too worried about lack of name recognition by the general public. Anyone who reads the USNWR best liberal arts colleges list knows the name.

That made me LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most folks don't really know all the schools.

For instance in Mass most folks know Boston University, Northeastern and Harvard which are three of the four largest colleges in Mass.

But surprisingly to me at least UMASS Amherst is the largest college in that state.

I doubt most people even know the difference between Boston University & Boston College. Or UNC-Chapel Hill & NC State or Wesleyan (the highly ranked SLAC in CT) & Ohio Wesleyan. Or....

Most people probably couldn't accurately name all the Ivys either. My cousin from Boston, for instance, recently asked me if Providence was an Ivy League school. And he is highly educated!

So, yeah, just because someone (on or off this board) hasn't heard of a school or know that it is highly ranked doesn't mean that it isn't an excellent school.

Never said it wasn't an excellent school. Just low "brand" recognition.

ok. Brand recognition doesn't matter to most of us. That's not how to pick a school.

That's fine. But don't expect hiring managers to know all of the little, obscure schools.

employers know Davidson just fine, thanks.

No actually they don't.

+1 outside of the southeast it really is a no name school. That may not be fair but that’s the way it is.

Davidson's class of 2018 has 13 Fulbright scholars. Not bad for a tiny, "no name" school!

No one said it was a bad school. Just not well-known.

[Anonymous]

Onward to Northwestern University

[Anonymous]

Amazing the number of idiots wanting to raise their hand to insist they haven't heard of Davidson. Like bragging that you thought Northeastern and Northwestern were the same thing. Typically people try to hide their ignorance rather than brag about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing the number of idiots wanting to raise their hand to insist they haven't heard of Davidson. Like bragging that you thought Northeastern and Northwestern were the same thing. Typically people try to hide their ignorance rather than brag about it.

Let's be fair. My kid is going there is Fall. But before I looked up the top LACs on USNWR I hadn't really heard of it. Or confused it with Dennison and Dickinson. Anyway, now I'm all huffy if anyone says they haven't heard of it.

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University of Richmond. Very excited for him. (And for me, because the process wore me out.)