So, where are your kids starting college next fall?

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago over MIT, Case Western, Harvard, RPI, and UVA.

Who in their right mind would phi know U of Chicago over MIT.

With that list? Likely someone not headed into engineering. And probably not CS. Neither Harvard nor UVA are Engineering/ CS superstars. For engineering, it would By VT, for CS, CMU and the UCs. In fact, I’m not sure what RPI and UVA have in common. Bio? Chemistry? Probably not Physics...

Economics? Biology?

One nice thing about UChicago...they don't penalize the students for having a*hole cheerleader parents.

Where did this come from?

Title of thread...where is your kid going, not "Sorry to hear that, Chicago is so much better."

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Anonymous wrote:UChicago over MIT, Case Western, Harvard, RPI, and UVA.

Who in their right mind would phi know U of Chicago over MIT.

With that list? Likely someone not headed into engineering. And probably not CS. Neither Harvard nor UVA are Engineering/ CS superstars. For engineering, it would By VT, for CS, CMU and the UCs. In fact, I’m not sure what RPI and UVA have in common. Bio? Chemistry? Probably not Physics...

Economics? Biology?

One nice thing about UChicago...they don't penalize the students for having a*hole cheerleader parents.

Where did this come from?

Title of thread...where is your kid going, not "Sorry to hear that, Chicago is so much better."

Anything mentioning ‘Chicago’ brings out the wacko nut jobs from hell!

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Not sure what the point of the reply is. That the reported cases are unreliable? That if Pomona suppresses reported cases, they don't exist?

The point is that it is misleading to state "Pomona has an unusual amount of sexual violence against women" based on simply the number of reported incidents per 1000 students. The same goes for any other school on the top echelon of the list. Almost all of them are small LACs, who on the whole do not suppress reported cases. They are residential colleges who place their top priority in supporting undergraduates through any time of crisis. Larger schools do not do this, or they send survivors to work with the police in which case the incident is never listed under their database, or students there do not feel comfortable in getting the help they deserve due to a poor culture in supporting survivors of sexual assault (hence U-Oregon's discrepancy with 600 undergrads reporting being raped anonymously, but that only translating to 6 reports). I don't know what Pomona's incident to reporting ratio is, but Brown (#1 on the total reports list) is cited in the article with 43 reports and 90 incidents per the anonymous student survey. 1/2 vs. 1/100 is a huge gap, suggesting, as the article states: "It also suggests that Brown may do a better job at encouraging victims to come forward than colleges with fewer rape reports. The data also may suggest that some colleges are doing a good job at protecting students -- even if evidence casts doubt on those assumptions. Hundreds of colleges and universities reported no rapes at all. "

I have a daughter who attends another LAC ranked near the top of the list, and this was something she and I looked closely into. No one wants their child to go to an unsafe school. But I would focus more on actual anecdotes from students who attend regarding the culture and level of administrative support than to pay attention to a sliver of data missing 75% of actual incidents.

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Not sure what the point of the reply is. That the reported cases are unreliable? That if Pomona suppresses reported cases, they don't exist?

The point is that it is misleading to state "Pomona has an unusual amount of sexual violence against women" based on simply the number of reported incidents per 1000 students. The same goes for any other school on the top echelon of the list. Almost all of them are small LACs, who on the whole do not suppress reported cases. They are residential colleges who place their top priority in supporting undergraduates through any time of crisis. Larger schools do not do this, or they send survivors to work with the police in which case the incident is never listed under their database, or students there do not feel comfortable in getting the help they deserve due to a poor culture in supporting survivors of sexual assault (hence U-Oregon's discrepancy with 600 undergrads reporting being raped anonymously, but that only translating to 6 reports). I don't know what Pomona's incident to reporting ratio is, but Brown (#1 on the total reports list) is cited in the article with 43 reports and 90 incidents per the anonymous student survey. 1/2 vs. 1/100 is a huge gap, suggesting, as the article states: "It also suggests that Brown may do a better job at encouraging victims to come forward than colleges with fewer rape reports. The data also may suggest that some colleges are doing a good job at protecting students -- even if evidence casts doubt on those assumptions. Hundreds of colleges and universities reported no rapes at all. "

I have a daughter who attends another LAC ranked near the top of the list, and this was something she and I looked closely into. No one wants their child to go to an unsafe school. But I would focus more on actual anecdotes from students who attend regarding the culture and level of administrative support than to pay attention to a sliver of data missing 75% of actual incidents.

You write a lot, yet, not clear what you are saying. Sounds more like you are trying to whitewash everything with technicality. It reads like what a paid attorney might say about its guilty client i.e., bs. The official line school is in compliance with sexual harassment policy doesn't mean sexual violence against women doesn't exists at Pomona.

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Not sure what the point of the reply is. That the reported cases are unreliable? That if Pomona suppresses reported cases, they don't exist?

The point is that it is misleading to state "Pomona has an unusual amount of sexual violence against women" based on simply the number of reported incidents per 1000 students. The same goes for any other school on the top echelon of the list. Almost all of them are small LACs, who on the whole do not suppress reported cases. They are residential colleges who place their top priority in supporting undergraduates through any time of crisis. Larger schools do not do this, or they send survivors to work with the police in which case the incident is never listed under their database, or students there do not feel comfortable in getting the help they deserve due to a poor culture in supporting survivors of sexual assault (hence U-Oregon's discrepancy with 600 undergrads reporting being raped anonymously, but that only translating to 6 reports). I don't know what Pomona's incident to reporting ratio is, but Brown (#1 on the total reports list) is cited in the article with 43 reports and 90 incidents per the anonymous student survey. 1/2 vs. 1/100 is a huge gap, suggesting, as the article states: "It also suggests that Brown may do a better job at encouraging victims to come forward than colleges with fewer rape reports. The data also may suggest that some colleges are doing a good job at protecting students -- even if evidence casts doubt on those assumptions. Hundreds of colleges and universities reported no rapes at all. "

I have a daughter who attends another LAC ranked near the top of the list, and this was something she and I looked closely into. No one wants their child to go to an unsafe school. But I would focus more on actual anecdotes from students who attend regarding the culture and level of administrative support than to pay attention to a sliver of data missing 75% of actual incidents.

You write a lot, yet, not clear what you are saying. Sounds more like you are trying to whitewash everything with technicality. It reads like what a paid attorney might say about its guilty client i.e., bs. The official line school is in compliance with sexual harassment policy doesn't mean sexual violence against women doesn't exists at Pomona.

This poster appears to be saying that some colleges don't report sexual assaults while Pomona does? So, still not sure what his point is. Because rape occurs at other colleges, Pomona rapes/sexual assaults are oK? Truly a bizarre BS.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/06/07/these-colleges-have-the-most-reports-of-rape/?utm_term=.402d2f2947be

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If you don't know how to read, there's nothing I can do about it.

Once again, I can't speak about POMONA in specific. But I can tell you that using "rape reports per 1000" to deduce the "most dangerous schools" is terribly misleading.

In case you didn't see the article explaining why, I'll post it three times so you can read it thoroughly. Alright?

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't know how to read, there's nothing I can do about it.

Once again, I can't speak about POMONA in specific. But I can tell you that using "rape reports per 1000" to deduce the "most dangerous schools" is terribly misleading.

In case you didn't see the article explaining why, I'll post it three times so you can read it thoroughly. Alright?

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

It's not the #1 most dangerous school - it only does what everyone is doing, so rape is OK? WTF? Dude, get lost.

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Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

None of your links work. Cut and paste doesn't require a HS degree. It was Washington Post who wrote schools like Williams has more perverts than they admit. Now go learn how to cut and past, you dumass.

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

Thank you for your informative post. May I ask where you found information about the number of students anonymously reporting being a victim of sexual assault? Do you know if this information is available for many colleges?

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

None of your links work. Cut and paste doesn't require a HS degree. It was Washington Post who wrote schools like Williams has more perverts than they admit. Now go learn how to cut and past, you dumass.

I am not the PP you are responding to but I was able to paste his/her link into my Google search and the article was the first hit. I have included a link to the article here but if it does not work for some reason, perhaps you can try to google it as I did.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/06/13/advocates-warn-against-ranking-colleges-handling-sexual-assault-based-clery-data

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

Thank you for your informative post. May I ask where you found information about the number of students anonymously reporting being a victim of sexual assault? Do you know if this information is available for many colleges?

The Dumas probably made up to confuse the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Go and take a reading comprehension course in HS. Your education has clearly failed you, and you should work on your ability to read through points in a logical manner. I never once condoned rape. This is a serious issue that deserves considerable attention by every school. I am simply stating the complication of figuring out campus climate for sexual assault with this one data point, because some idiot (was it you?) tried to use it to assert Pomona is an "unusually dangerous place for women".

Since you can't read, I'll try to explain it AGAIN for you.

In an anonymous survey at Brown, approximately 90 undergraduate students reported experiencing sexual violence. This only translated into 43 reports, however. The incident rate for Brown would be 90/6580 * 1000, or 13.7 incidents per 1000.

University of Oregon, according to the sortable table, had 6 reports out of a student body of 19351, or 0.31 incidents per 1000. However, according to the survey, 600 University of Oregon students reported being a victim of sexual assault. The incidence rate for University of Oregon is therefore 31 incidents per 1000, three times worse than Brown. You wouldn't know that just by reading a click baity article, though, would you?

But sure, if you aren't comfortable with sending your daughter to Pomona, or Dartmouth, or Brown, or Williams (where my daughter is), then all the power to you.

Thank you for your informative post. May I ask where you found information about the number of students anonymously reporting being a victim of sexual assault? Do you know if this information is available for many colleges?

I think what Williams might mean is there is a discrepancy between number of official reports versus actual number of crimes. This is just intuitively obvious. So, what's happening at schools like Pomona is people are experimenting with alternative methods of reporting, hoping more victims would come forward.

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Just did a quick read of the Williams parent's link. It doesn't mean certain schools like Pomona are doing a better job at reporting crime. At Pomona, there is a concern that the official stats are not all that, that Pomona may be suppressing official reports of the crime through harassment and retaliation. Some are experimenting with alternative means of reporting hoping more victims would come forward without the fear of retribution.

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Anonymous wrote:Hiring manager for software engineers here. The school you attended is absolutely of importance, but not as important as how smart you are or how motivated/excited you seem. And anyone who thinks Harvard has a bad CS program is insane. It’s top 5 in the US for producing truly gifted programmers.

Have you read the study google did on programmers from top schools vs state schools.

No, I haven’t. Would love to read it, but I couldn’t find it after a few minutes of searching. Can you link it?

I went to a state school, so I know there are plenty of good candidates that come from those schools.

I can't find the original study but here are some articles about their hiring process.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/gregoryferenstein/2015/11/23/why-google-wants-to-stop-hiring-based-on-ivy-league-credentials/#7fe1d6664811

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/12/20/the-surprising-thing-google-learned-about-its-employees-and-what-it-means-for-todays-students/?utm_term=.ee71df5b31d4

The articles are a little cheeky but you get the point.

The original article which I can't find compared programmers from Ivy vs. State school after 5 years of work experience.

Facebook is following their lead. https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeanders/2016/05/02/non-ivy-recruiting-brightens-aided-by-facebooks-300-school-list/#a1d653ab5fc4