why do people prefer AP schools to IB?

[Anonymous]

I need to verify that about Marshall being closed to pupil placement for IB, eek

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Wow- that's just a stupid comment from an ignorant troll... What did you hope to achieve with that comment? It doesn't show you to be thoughtful, kind, inquisitive or to have any self-control. Try to contribute something to the community and make it better. Yeesshh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Wow- that's just a stupid comment from an ignorant troll... What did you hope to achieve with that comment? It doesn't show you to be thoughtful, kind, inquisitive or to have any self-control. Try to contribute something to the community and make it better. Yeesshh

Madison: higher SATs, more NMSFs, better athletics, better band, better college placements, stronger community spirit, dozens of AP courses

Marshall: higher SOLs, grab-bag of neighborhoods near 66 and other big highways, more FARMS, no AP, 75-80% of grads don't get an IB diploma

No surprise people pay more for JMHS district.

[Anonymous]

You failed to mention the academy program at Marshall. It also is on a nicer site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Wow- that's just a stupid comment from an ignorant troll... What did you hope to achieve with that comment? It doesn't show you to be thoughtful, kind, inquisitive or to have any self-control. Try to contribute something to the community and make it better. Yeesshh

Madison: higher SATs, more NMSFs, better athletics, better band, better college placements, stronger community spirit, dozens of AP courses

Marshall: higher SOLs, grab-bag of neighborhoods near 66 and other big highways, more FARMS, no AP, 75-80% of grads don't get an IB diploma

No surprise people pay more for JMHS district.

Madison - best school spirit - diverse, inclusive, supportive, kind, respectful and joyous!! We don't put others down - we build up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Wow- that's just a stupid comment from an ignorant troll... What did you hope to achieve with that comment? It doesn't show you to be thoughtful, kind, inquisitive or to have any self-control. Try to contribute something to the community and make it better. Yeesshh

Madison: higher SATs, more NMSFs, better athletics, better band, better college placements, stronger community spirit, dozens of AP courses

Marshall: higher SOLs, grab-bag of neighborhoods near 66 and other big highways, more FARMS, no AP, 75-80% of grads don't get an IB diploma

No surprise people pay more for JMHS district.

Madison - best school spirit - diverse, inclusive, supportive, kind, respectful and joyous!! We don't put others down - we build up!

??? I am hoping this was sarcasm. That's the opposite we see from Madison - the parents and the trolls that come to post here. When you ask Madison parents why they would recommend their school, the first thing out is "Well, it's better than Marshall." Which you can see all over the last couple of pages here.

[Anonymous]

Yes - sarcasm is a bit strong but it was intended to be funny - It's a paean to G.C. Marshall's spirit - GO STATESMEN!!

[Anonymous]

??? I am hoping this was sarcasm. That's the opposite we see from Madison - the parents and the trolls that come to post here. When you ask Madison parents why they would recommend their school, the first thing out is "Well, it's better than Marshall." Which you can see all over the last couple of pages here.

I have no dog in this hunt (do not live in Marshall or Madison area), but how did a discussion on AP vs IB turn into a competition between schools?

FWIW, I am absolutely certain that a student can have a great experience at either school. However, both posters (I assume there are only two) in the Madison vs Marshall conflict are wrong. Please remember: you do not make yourself look better by making someone else look bad.

Personally, I would like to see a simple reason for why FCPS should spend money --that they tell us they do not have--on an IB program that many (in fact, most) students do not prefer. I have yet to see a good rationale.

[Anonymous]

+1.

If FCPS lavishes all this money on IB, and still can't produce an IB school that's one of the top five or six in the county, perhaps they ought to reconsider how wisely they are spending their money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1.

If FCPS lavishes all this money on IB, and still can't produce an IB school that's one of the top five or six in the county, perhaps they ought to reconsider how wisely they are spending their money.

Please detail how much money FCPS "lavishes" on IB?

And please address why "producing an IB school that's one of the top five or six in the County" is an appropriate measure of the success (or failure) of a program curriculum? Is the same metric applicable to spending money on athletics, ESL, SpecEd, AAP, languages etc. etc.? FCPS has, for better or worse, created many different programs, often within the same school. So, to insist that the rank of the school averages indicates the success of any particular program is myopic.

There are six thousand students in the IB program - all of whom have alternatives if they choose to pupil place - approximately 500 pupil place to AP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Madison's culture is increasingly toxic. This comment is indicative of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Madison's culture is increasingly toxic. This comment is indicative of it.

Marshall's culture is increasingly diverse, inclusive, supportive, and joyful - GO STATESMEN!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1.

If FCPS lavishes all this money on IB, and still can't produce an IB school that's one of the top five or six in the county, perhaps they ought to reconsider how wisely they are spending their money.

Please detail how much money FCPS "lavishes" on IB?

And please address why "producing an IB school that's one of the top five or six in the County" is an appropriate measure of the success (or failure) of a program curriculum? Is the same metric applicable to spending money on athletics, ESL, SpecEd, AAP, languages etc. etc.? FCPS has, for better or worse, created many different programs, often within the same school. So, to insist that the rank of the school averages indicates the success of any particular program is myopic.

There are six thousand students in the IB program - all of whom have alternatives if they choose to pupil place - approximately 500 pupil place to AP.

Not everyone is able to Pupil place. It requires a family's ability to transport; splitting siblings and friends; etc. Almost 10% is a pretty high number to leave. I'd like to see a true survey of attitudes and which the people prefer.

I've searched for information/data on pupil placement. There used to be a document that showed the numbers from school to school. I can no longer find it. Is it still published?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, according to the Madison principal, Madison (the stronger school) caps the number of pupil placements it will accept to roughly equal the number of students transferring out for IB. Otherwise, it would get additional pupil placements from Marshall and South Lakes, and the school is already full. I heard some other AP schools are even more restrictive now on allowing pupil placements from IB schools.

"the stronger school" puhleeezz... so 100 students prefer to go do IB and 100 students want to come play sports - just tweakin' you; but using the NMSF that someone posted earlier, Madison had 8 and Marshall 7. SATs are equal within the margin of error, and yet Marshall FRMS are more than 2x higher. On what basis do you expect Madison would get additinoal placements from Marshall - there's no word there of any restrictions on pupil placement requests (according to a PTA member). I've heard the rumors that schools are more restrictive (my neighbor says that Marshall is reported to be closed to pupil placements) but I've yet to hear of anyone not being placed.

Madison is better. Marshall is the consolation prize.

Madison's culture is increasingly toxic. This comment is indicative of it.

Marshall's culture is increasingly diverse, inclusive, supportive, and joyful - GO STATESMEN!

Marshall is OK, and certainly diverse, but not especially supportive or joyful. We had a child at Marshall for a year. He came home wet from the first day of school as a freshmen. Apparently he sat at the wrong table at lunch and some athletes decided to pour a milk carton on him to teach him a lesson. And they didn't even win many games that year.

We were happy to move to a better (yes, AP) school district after that year.