College Admissions Doesn't Need to Be So Competitive: Super High Stat Kids are not "a dime a dozen."

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Anonymous wrote:The bitterness and racism and level of expectation are astounding. My wonderful (and privileged) high stats Asian kid only applied to 1 T-20, knowing how steep the odds are (for everyone!!) and was happy to chose amongst several T-50’s where they did have a realistic chance. I would not blame DEI or affirmative action for my kid being “shut out” of the aT-20’s. The colleges are communities that need different talents and perspectives. I would not want my kid attending a college where everyone comes in with the same profile, same life experiences or same mindset/aspirations.

The irony is, these elite colleges have the highest percentage of Asian kids among all colleges in the nation. MIT nearly half of the student body is Asian. JHU, Rice, UPenn…

percent of student body is highly misleading when you consider how many Asian kids are in the country, who could graduate MIT in 4years with a B average

What are you trying to imply? I'm pretty confident that there are far more white kids in the country who could graduate MIT in 4 years than Asian ones.

You misunderstood him. Asian trump supporters don’t have a beef with whites.

I'd sooner have my kids shut out of T50 before voting trump or republican

[Anonymous]

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Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

Here’s my suggestion. Rather than continuing to embarrass yourself with your overtly inane logic, I might go the sidelines at this point. As you sit there, perhaps reflect on this: you didn’t have what it takes to win. Others did. The end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

Here’s my suggestion. Rather than continuing to embarrass yourself with your overtly inane logic, I might go the sidelines at this point. As you sit there, perhaps reflect on this: you didn’t have what it takes to win. Others did. The end.

My kid got into their first choice HYPSM early, and on the way there, they received a superlative primary and secondary education - how is that not winning (according to DCUM standards)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

Here’s my suggestion. Rather than continuing to embarrass yourself with your overtly inane logic, I might go the sidelines at this point. As you sit there, perhaps reflect on this: you didn’t have what it takes to win. Others did. The end.

My kid got into their first choice HYPSM early, and on the way there, they received a superlative primary and secondary education - how is that not winning (according to DCUM standards)?

the posters complaining about strivers conveniently ignore the fact that sending a kid to private school or even buying into an expensive top school district is very much an act of "striving". Those costs orders of magnitude more than flashcards, which my parents made for me using scrap pieces of paper...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

Here’s my suggestion. Rather than continuing to embarrass yourself with your overtly inane logic, I might go the sidelines at this point. As you sit there, perhaps reflect on this: you didn’t have what it takes to win. Others did. The end.

My kid got into their first choice HYPSM early, and on the way there, they received a superlative primary and secondary education - how is that not winning (according to DCUM standards)?

the posters complaining about strivers conveniently ignore the fact that sending a kid to private school or even buying into an expensive top school district is very much an act of "striving". Those costs orders of magnitude more than flashcards, which my parents made for me using scrap pieces of paper...

Perhaps you mixed me up with someone else or misunderstood my post, but to be clear, I’m not one of the PPs complaining about “striving.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bitterness and racism and level of expectation are astounding. My wonderful (and privileged) high stats Asian kid only applied to 1 T-20, knowing how steep the odds are (for everyone!!) and was happy to chose amongst several T-50’s where they did have a realistic chance. I would not blame DEI or affirmative action for my kid being “shut out” of the aT-20’s. The colleges are communities that need different talents and perspectives. I would not want my kid attending a college where everyone comes in with the same profile, same life experiences or same mindset/aspirations.

The irony is, these elite colleges have the highest percentage of Asian kids among all colleges in the nation. MIT nearly half of the student body is Asian. JHU, Rice, UPenn…

percent of student body is highly misleading when you consider how many Asian kids are in the country, who could graduate MIT in 4years with a B average

What are you trying to imply? I'm pretty confident that there are far more white kids in the country who could graduate MIT in 4 years than Asian ones.

You misunderstood him. Asian trump supporters don’t have a beef with whites.

I'd sooner have my kids shut out of T50 before voting trump or republican

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The bitterness and racism and level of expectation are astounding. My wonderful (and privileged) high stats Asian kid only applied to 1 T-20, knowing how steep the odds are (for everyone!!) and was happy to chose amongst several T-50’s where they did have a realistic chance. I would not blame DEI or affirmative action for my kid being “shut out” of the aT-20’s. The colleges are communities that need different talents and perspectives. I would not want my kid attending a college where everyone comes in with the same profile, same life experiences or same mindset/aspirations.

The irony is, these elite colleges have the highest percentage of Asian kids among all colleges in the nation. MIT nearly half of the student body is Asian. JHU, Rice, UPenn…

percent of student body is highly misleading when you consider how many Asian kids are in the country, who could graduate MIT in 4years with a B average

What are you trying to imply? I'm pretty confident that there are far more white kids in the country who could graduate MIT in 4 years than Asian ones.

You misunderstood him. Asian trump supporters don’t have a beef with whites.

I'd sooner have my kids shut out of T50 before voting trump or republican

Wow. You are so noble. And unselfish. And full of TDS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

Here’s my suggestion. Rather than continuing to embarrass yourself with your overtly inane logic, I might go the sidelines at this point. As you sit there, perhaps reflect on this: you didn’t have what it takes to win. Others did. The end.

My kid got into their first choice HYPSM early, and on the way there, they received a superlative primary and secondary education - how is that not winning (according to DCUM standards)?

It all sounds a bit too perfect. We’re not buying your story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for providing an example of how a person of any race might do this. Meanwhile, my 100% Asian kid took Calc BC in 9th grade and has never had a tutor, taken an enrichment course, repeated a class, or even utilized a single math flash card in their life. Then again, they are also great at humanities, plus have significant non-academic interests. They got into their first choice HYPSM in December.

Is this sarcasm? Mockery of Asian hardworking? The idea that a kid, without any extra effort beyond what is offered in public school, took calc in 9th grade is absurd. The logistics of taking high school courses in middle school, how they accelerated in elementary school, etc etc.

PP to whom you’re responding. Neither sarcasm nor mockery. My kid attended a multi-grade private school that allowed them to take math well above grade level throughout their time there. All they did was take a placement test upon entry that put them on this track. They were not alone in their grade either - there were at least 4 or 5 other classmates on this same track.

private school is a type of enrichment. You are paying extra money for that opportunity

Ok, but I don’t think paying for private school is considered one of the “Asian striver” activities some PPs are complaining about. That was my point in posting.

Here’s my suggestion. Rather than continuing to embarrass yourself with your overtly inane logic, I might go the sidelines at this point. As you sit there, perhaps reflect on this: you didn’t have what it takes to win. Others did. The end.

My kid got into their first choice HYPSM early, and on the way there, they received a superlative primary and secondary education - how is that not winning (according to DCUM standards)?

It all sounds a bit too perfect. We’re not buying your story.

My story is too perfect because my kid was able to take BC Calc in 9th grade at their private school and also got lucky in the college admissions lottery? I acknowledge our family’s privilege, but am sincerely sorry that this strains the bounds of credulity for you.

[Anonymous]

Not sure if this is the same argument but I think a lot of T10 admissions talk is hype.

Probably half the kids who even apply are not qualified. They're non-starters. Do 1 in 1,000 of them get in on a lark? Maybe but that's not statistically significant. So for the relatively rare high-stats kids who end up competing for these spots it's not really a 6% chance. It's more like a 40-50% chance, realistically. Is that still a total coin flip with bad odds? Yes. But it's not actually a 6% chance for true high-stats, well-rounded kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hate the game, not the players. We have to start with the assumption that practically all applicants (including hooked) meet a minimum threshold with grades and scores. It’s not a secret anymore that elite colleges seem to like applicants who have a cohesive narrative versus several unrelated activities. However, we as parents can usually choose whether we want our kids to have a narrative that ties everything together and relates to the potential major…or we can have our kids pursue activities in some random fashion (which is what my kid did). And accept whatever the consequences may be. My kid had several unrelated activities and was rejected by the 1 T-10 to which they applied and waitlisted at a couple T-30’s.

Have you seen the scatergrams? I don't think this is true at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone cares about his opinion of holistic admission. There are advantages and disadvantages to everything.

It is unfortunate for my kid, but life will go on and he will do fine. My 4.0/1570, full pay kid is currently planning to attend a T60. Waitlisted at five schools from T10 to T50. Accepted at safeties. Rejected at nine.

Major? Notable ECs or awards?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this is the same argument but I think a lot of T10 admissions talk is hype.

Probably half the kids who even apply are not qualified. They're non-starters. Do 1 in 1,000 of them get in on a lark? Maybe but that's not statistically significant. So for the relatively rare high-stats kids who end up competing for these spots it's not really a 6% chance. It's more like a 40-50% chance, realistically. Is that still a total coin flip with bad odds? Yes. But it's not actually a 6% chance for true high-stats, well-rounded kids.

If this were true this forum wouldn’t be very busy. We wish!

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the focus away from high stats kids and instead on ECs and the kid's narrative is because T20 schools are searching for full pay kids.

The kid with perfect SATs, 12+ APs, and an uw 4.0 with somewhat mundane ECs, no national awards, and no careful narrative reads like a middle class kid. That middle class kid won't check any boxes for FGLI, but will still require a lot of financial aid.

The kid with the lower stats, but interesting ECs and a cohesive narrative reads like a wealthy kid with parents who can afford to put them into weird activities, get them private coaching, and hire an expensive college consultant. That kid is full pay and still smart enough to do well at the school.