Will Maga just watch the sinking ship or admit they were wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Reddit r/conservative, they still claim they love it and don't know ANY one who regrets their vote.

They also seem to think that anyone who refutes anything they say is a bot because they are in such a bubble that they cannot fathom that there are people out there who think differently.

projection? anyone on here willing to admit that some Americans had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump?

people voted for this criminal even after what they know and saw on J6....they voted for him even after everything he said and didn't say during his campaign. This lets intelligent people know MAGA voted for hatred, racism and homophobia to be acceptable again. It certainly wasn't for a better economy or world peace.

Well, we're now seeing firsthand why it's a bad idea to have a criminal running the national economy.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think that they will ever admit that voting for a guy that can’t say a recession isn’t coming after he told them he’d have prices coming down, will ever say he was a mistake?

You Libs simply hate MAGA SUCCESS.
Promises made, promises kept.
Thank you, President Trump!

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Anonymous wrote:Which Democrat should have been 2020 and 2024 nominee? Biden did turn out to be a dead end, but was there really someone better for 2020?

The 2020 nominee should have been the individual that emerged victorious in an open, fair, and competitive primary. When party mega donors and party elites are pulling strings to get what they want, you wind up with unfit incumbents that roll over dead while fumbling an easy election victory away to an awful and weak opponent.

When the American people nominate the candidate that is most popular with the people, you wind up with two-term presidents like Clintons and Obamas. Demand better - Do better.

Is there any way to demand a truly democratic primary? Other than protest voting for populist Republicans (as some Bernie supporters have done)? Our donors and Party controllers have only gotten bolder. They rigged 2016 and 2020 against Bernie, then held a faux-primary with senile Biden, refused to let RFK Jr compete in a fair primary, then anointed unpopular Kamala Harris who had never previously had all that much voter support. 90% of Dems go along with it. The wisdom of crowds would surely be better, but how can we make that happen?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

Why don’t Democrats have a leader?
Or is it still Obama?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

Why don’t Democrats have a leader?
Or is it still Obama?

The current Dem "leader" is a small group of very wealthy and powerful people pushing the DNC buttons. The current GOP "leader" is the worst president in American history. Will our careless and ignorant voters still support the garbage coming our of these parties when the 2028 POTUS election comes around?? I bet they will.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

We have to sell them to voters or drop them. The GOP has made so much hay with this. They won’t let us get away with supporting this on the downlow and claiming it’s no big deal. Senate Dems just voted unanimously for biological males (originally) in girls’ sports. Our opponents will be bringing this up for years, even after we drop this position, if we ever do.

We have some policies that are poison to swing voters, but we’re overcommitted to them for various reasons. We may have to drop some of our cherished virtue signaling positions if they are hurting us with the voters.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

Why don’t Democrats have a leader?
Or is it still Obama?

The current Dem "leader" is a small group of very wealthy and powerful people pushing the DNC buttons. The current GOP "leader" is the worst president in American history. Will our careless and ignorant voters still support the garbage coming our of these parties when the 2028 POTUS election comes around?? I bet they will.

Dem leader appears to be Alex Soros

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Anonymous wrote:Check out Reddit r/conservative, they still claim they love it and don't know ANY one who regrets their vote.

They also seem to think that anyone who refutes anything they say is a bot because they are in such a bubble that they cannot fathom that there are people out there who think differently.

projection? anyone on here willing to admit that some Americans had legitimate reasons for preferring Trump?

people voted for this criminal even after what they know and saw on J6....they voted for him even after everything he said and didn't say during his campaign. This lets intelligent people know MAGA voted for hatred, racism and homophobia to be acceptable again. It certainly wasn't for a better economy or world peace.

Well, we're now seeing firsthand why it's a bad idea to have a criminal running the national economy.

Everyone already saw it before they voted for him over us. What are we doing wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems after 20+ pages, that MAGA doesn’t care the ship is sinking.

MAGA definitely doesn’t care, and it doesn’t seem like any of Trump’s other voters (Republicans, Independents, Disaffected Dems) care much either. It’s very hard, even in a collapse, for a Trump voter to say “Oh, I wish we had Kamala.” Frankly, I haven’t heard any Democrats saying that either. Even among Dems, there’s way more anti-Trump sentiment than pro Kamala sentiment.

I get that Trump voters are not going to say that they wish they had voted for Kamala. But, correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for Trump because of the economy and immigration. Trump is destroying the economy and they are not holding him accountable.

Yes, this!!!!!

Stop demanding a mea culpa, and tell them to start holding Trump’s feet to the fire (instead of kissing it like Lara so grossly suggested 🤢).

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WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

We have to sell them to voters or drop them. The GOP has made so much hay with this. They won’t let us get away with supporting this on the downlow and claiming it’s no big deal. Senate Dems just voted unanimously for biological males (originally) in girls’ sports. Our opponents will be bringing this up for years, even after we drop this position, if we ever do.

We have some policies that are poison to swing voters, but we’re overcommitted to them for various reasons. We may have to drop some of our cherished virtue signaling positions if they are hurting us with the voters.

Senators have to answer to the electorate in their home states. If they have of track record of supporting policies that are in conflict with the wishes of a majority of their home state electorate, it's the job of their electorate to vote them out.

No 2028 POTUS candidate will be selling "trans athletes" because that would clearly be in conflict with what the majority of the American electorate wants.

Do you now understand the difference between Senator and POTUS candidate?

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Anonymous wrote:We’ll never win an election again. The next party to beat the Republicans will have a different name. We can’t drop any of our beliefs, no matter how unpopular. Trans, J6, no human is illegal, Republicans belong in prison, double masking kills germs, etc etc

Dems did not run on trans issues. J6 was a domestic terrorist attack and I’m astounded anyone would feel otherwise. And what is so objectionable about a human not being illegal? Why shouldn’t we expect our elected leaders to form immigration policy with some sense of decorum and moral responsibility. Talking about human beings in a derogatory manner is disgusting propaganda. No one is trying to put republicans in prison except for the J6-ers or anyone who committed a crime. No one is double masking. I haven’t worn a mask in years despite being a liberal. These are all such throw away stupid arguments for blaming dems for any of this.

You’re very comfortable with, and committed to, your political beliefs. The American public is less comfortable with them. You are astounded that anyone might disagree with you about Jan 6. And yet clearly most voters do. You think Americans have a moral responsibility toward invading illegal aliens. Most voters disagree with you. Democrats have a choice. They can stay pure, according to their latest shared beliefs. Or they can give the voters what they want, and win elections. They can’t do both.

Most voters don't disagree with J6. Where are you seeing that?

Most voters do not agree that the President fomented a domestic terrorist attack on our Democracy. That’s why they didn’t mind voting for him. Most didn’t pay any attention to the J6 committee. And most don’t even agree that 2020 was “the most secure and least suspicious election in American history.” A lot of assertions that we take as holy writ within our partisan circles…are disagreed with by the public.

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems after 20+ pages, that MAGA doesn’t care the ship is sinking.

MAGA definitely doesn’t care, and it doesn’t seem like any of Trump’s other voters (Republicans, Independents, Disaffected Dems) care much either. It’s very hard, even in a collapse, for a Trump voter to say “Oh, I wish we had Kamala.” Frankly, I haven’t heard any Democrats saying that either. Even among Dems, there’s way more anti-Trump sentiment than pro Kamala sentiment.

I get that Trump voters are not going to say that they wish they had voted for Kamala. But, correct me if I’m wrong, they voted for Trump because of the economy and immigration. Trump is destroying the economy and they are not holding him accountable.

Presidents are only ever “held accountable” in the next election. We keep hoping the GOP will discipline Trump, or that someone will arrest him. Because we know deep down that our policies are unpopular and ineffective, and our candidates uncharismatic. We don’t believe we can win. And we amay be right. We have some baggage.

Exactly. Trump was held accountable for his awfulness in 2020 and then Biden was held accountable for his awfulness in 2024. The GOP will once again be held accountable for Trump's awfulness in 2028.

We are in a cycle of weakness that needs to end in 2028. No more Bidens and more importantly, no more Trumps! Do better people.

What do you think will be left in 2028? Free and fair elections? A decent economy? A social safety net? Secure personal data? Alliances with other democracies? Freedom to criticize our government without retribution? Because I think it's all in jeopardy.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be a great example if the Dems would admit their mistakes from the past 10 years. Maybe that would inspire Republicans to be more critical of Trump’s first 60 days?

WTH. Why is it always on the Dems? Like seriously? The GOP controls the legislature. AT ANY MOMENT, they can make this go away.

It's on the Dems because we are the Dems. And we just got our but*s handed to us by...an unfit, beyond the pale, terrible person who all the voters already knew very well! Who the voters apparently preferred to our offering. So obviously we must have made some mistakes in the past 10 years. And if we don't (or can't) acknowledge or correct any of them, we might continue losing.

We think Trump should be immediately impeached by his own party, but we would think that, wouldn't we? The reason the Republicans in Congress don't think that is because their constituents don't think that. Trump has been the best thing ever to happen to Republicans. We may respect the whole party less, but that party is winning now, and they weren't before.

What happens when they run a populist Republican who isn't a lunatic like Trump? What's our plan to beat that person? Did we make any mistakes with our past three candidates, our immigration policies, our DEI policies? Or should we just plow forward with more of the same and hope for the best?

It's not fair for us to be self-critical when the Republicans have a lot more to be self-critical about. But it's strategically important for us. Losing to Trump in 2024 is embarrassing. And it happened in part because of us. How can we prevent it from happening again next time?

Trump was elected to a second term because Joe Biden in 2024 was as weak and unpopular of an incumbent POTUS as Trump was in 2020. If you want to fairly criticize Dems for allowing a Trump second term to happen, put a spotlight on the elite powers in the Dem Party that paved the way for a 77 year old Biden to become the Dem nominee in 2020.

He was unpopular because the media harped on baby formula, egg prices and Hunter dick pix and never really reported on how good the US economy actually was. if the media gave trump anything close to the same treatment in 2020 or now, or during the campaign, we wouldn't be here.

Hilarious cope. Dems only lost because of…the media?

Media sponging GOP talking points uncritically got us here on the trans issue, which at the high school sports level is like a handful of cases, so yes, the media was part of it. the dems are also awful at messaging.

There’s no good way to message the trans athletes position. “There aren’t that many and why are Republicans so obsessed” doesn’t erase the fact that our party supports biological males on the girls’ sports team and i. The girls’ locker room. The voters no likey. We either have to throw trans folk overboard and win, or stand by them and lose with dignity. Ain’t no messaging can fix this unpopular position. Wait until the MAPs start whining about being oppressed. If we take that bait like we took the trans oppression bait, we will be doomed to wander the wilderness, out of power for half a century

Or we could just focus on nominating someone with legitimate POTUS leadership skills like the last two Dem two-term POTUSs had instead of bending over for the party elites by accepting another Biden thrown in our face.

All this silly concern about messaging goes away when you have a LEGITIMATE leader crafting and communicating their own messaging.

Not even great communicators Barack Obama or Bill Clinton could sell trans athletes to the voters. Not that they’d even try. Those two were arch-conservatives by today’s standards

No one is trying to sell "trans athletes" to the voters. The GOP was successful in fabricating a false narrative regarding Biden's campaign platform due to Biden being a very weak leader and poor communicator. This can easily be fixed by having more Clintons and Obamas and less Bidens.

We have to sell them to voters or drop them. The GOP has made so much hay with this. They won’t let us get away with supporting this on the downlow and claiming it’s no big deal. Senate Dems just voted unanimously for biological males (originally) in girls’ sports. Our opponents will be bringing this up for years, even after we drop this position, if we ever do.

We have some policies that are poison to swing voters, but we’re overcommitted to them for various reasons. We may have to drop some of our cherished virtue signaling positions if they are hurting us with the voters.

Senators have to answer to the electorate in their home states. If they have of track record of supporting policies that are in conflict with the wishes of a majority of their home state electorate, it's the job of their electorate to vote them out.

No 2028 POTUS candidate will be selling "trans athletes" because that would clearly be in conflict with what the majority of the American electorate wants.

Do you now understand the difference between Senator and POTUS candidate?

The Party clearly stands for trans folks, gender affirming care, gender fluidity education for elementary school students, pronouns, and biological males in girls’ sports. Of course our future silver-tongued devil (Buttigieg) isn’t going to lead with this. But GOPers and progressive trans activists are going to demand to know where the party stands. The candidate will have three choices: reaffirm the Party’s stance on trans athletes, change the Party’s stance on trans athletes, or cop out and avoid the question. Same thing on many issues. Evasiveness may seem like a way to square the circle, to support unpopular policies without paying for it with voters. But then we get dinged (maybe less?) for the evasiveness itself.