Are you putting all your friends through a political-purity test right now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

+1. This^^^^

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

And Biden was "good to go," was what...misinformation? lack of information? then, no D primary? I did not vote for T., but that is a broad brush you have there. Some merely want a return to fiscal responsibility. We have not been trending that way and the decisions made, by someone running our govt., over the last 4 years, have greatly exacerbated the decline in the quality of life for many.

[Anonymous]

I already was

- who won the 2020 election?

- what happened Jan 6

After that I would sort into disinterested, incompetent or MAGA.

None can be trusted but I could live near some.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

Yes, look at all of the ridiculous “both sides” on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This person is some Heritage Foundation tool trying to sow discord on among anti-fascists. Ignore.

LOL.

"This person's" (me) spouse was a Dem presidential appointee in charge of providing services to a traditionally undeserved minority community nationally, has brown kids, and donated to/voted for Obama (x2), Clinton, Biden, and Harris.

tldr?

You're literally 100% mistaken.

I’m sticking with my earlier assessment:
Sht stirring troll who enjoys being a dick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

Then you're putting your feelings and precious ideological purity above actually accomplishing anything.

You are, in short, the equivalent of a Jill Stein voter in a swing state.

More of that false equivalency.

[Anonymous]

I try to have faith in friends that if they voted a certain way that they did so for the best reasons that candidate put forward and not to attack others but I'm constantly made to realize I'm wrong on this. Often I'm judged for some obscure thing I say like they will label me a Trumper for saying I'm not happy with the current standards based grading or they will label me a liberal and worse as a non christian for saying something I like that I don't think abortion is the most pressing issue our federal government should be focusing on and that the church should lead here. They are constantly judging me. It's the judging of me that is the issue in our friendship, not their opinion of who they voted for. They are also always bringing up politics to find ways to judge me and I'd rather talk about other things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

Educated women voted more for Harris. UNeducated women voted more for Trump

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

And Biden was "good to go," was what...misinformation? lack of information? then, no D primary? I did not vote for T., but that is a broad brush you have there. Some merely want a return to fiscal responsibility. We have not been trending that way and the decisions made, by someone running our govt., over the last 4 years, have greatly exacerbated the decline in the quality of life for many.

My question to you is what evidence do you have that Dumpy and Elon Musk can do this? They are all for spending money for THEM but, not so much fiscal responsiblity if that takes away money for them/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

Then you're putting your feelings and precious ideological purity above actually accomplishing anything.

You are, in short, the equivalent of a Jill Stein voter in a swing state.

More of that false equivalency.

Nope.

Both are symbolic gestures that accomplish nothing except making the actor feel better about themselves.

And both are demonstrably counterproductive in achieving the actor's external goals.

I'd say they are exactly alike.

But how 'bout answering this: what do *you* think is the real-world effect of shunning Trump voters/calling them Nazis?

Does it change their minds? Make them less extreme? Less likely to support a candidate like Trump? More likely to compromise/support your policy goals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This person is some Heritage Foundation tool trying to sow discord on among anti-fascists. Ignore.

LOL.

"This person's" (me) spouse was a Dem presidential appointee in charge of providing services to a traditionally undeserved minority community nationally, has brown kids, and donated to/voted for Obama (x2), Clinton, Biden, and Harris.

tldr?

You're literally 100% mistaken.

I’m sticking with my earlier assessment:
Sht stirring troll who enjoys being a dick.

Me too. "let me list of bunch of bs to show my credibility" Yawn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

And Biden was "good to go," was what...misinformation? lack of information? then, no D primary? I did not vote for T., but that is a broad brush you have there. Some merely want a return to fiscal responsibility. We have not been trending that way and the decisions made, by someone running our govt., over the last 4 years, have greatly exacerbated the decline in the quality of life for many.

My question to you is what evidence do you have that Dumpy and Elon Musk can do this? They are all for spending money for THEM but, not so much fiscal responsiblity if that takes away money for them/

Good luck. PP is impervious to facts/reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

Then you're putting your feelings and precious ideological purity above actually accomplishing anything.

You are, in short, the equivalent of a Jill Stein voter in a swing state.

More of that false equivalency.

They not like us.

[Anonymous]

Nobody has to be your friend.

This is not a Kindergarten birthday party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

Then you're putting your feelings and precious ideological purity above actually accomplishing anything.

You are, in short, the equivalent of a Jill Stein voter in a swing state.

More of that false equivalency.

Nope.

Both are symbolic gestures that accomplish nothing except making the actor feel better about themselves.

And both are demonstrably counterproductive in achieving the actor's external goals.

I'd say they are exactly alike.

But how 'bout answering this: what do *you* think is the real-world effect of shunning Trump voters/calling them Nazis?

Does it change their minds? Make them less extreme? Less likely to support a candidate like Trump? More likely to compromise/support your policy goals?

One directly supports the election of Trump.

The other is saving time/energy/emotion from fruitless efforts.

The real world effect is not having to deal with all of that BS. Zero of the MAGAs I know are changing their minds based off of anything I do. Ask me how I know.

But you know all of this already, shtstirrer. You just want to sow division further and gaslight Ds.