Are you putting all your friends through a political-purity test right now?

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Anonymous wrote:I absolutely hate MAGA.

But the inability of the sanctimonious anti-MAGA resistance that lives in their own echo chamber and can’t grasp how they’re a massive part of the problem is astounding and makes me very concerned about where things are headed. Because there’s no opposition that is actually pragmatic. You just scream nazi. Instead of nominating candidates at all level of government who are pragmatic and there to win elections and defend democracy, you still vote for social justice warriors who’s single issue is trans stuff.

Until the opposition actually wins elections, the rest of it is just an academic exercise.

Focus on winning not on what your friends think.

This is such nonsense. There isn’t a single Dem candidate I’ve come across who’s single issue of trans stuff. The only ones who focus on trans stuff tonthe exclusion of everything else is RWNJs/MAGA.

So sick of people saying the key to stopping Trump is walking away from defending parents and kids.

+1

It's gaslighting.

Not gaslighting. You’re just going to continue to lose until you find a message people will vote for. Maybe get that through your head and vote for people whose message enough of the population will support not just you and your echo chamber.

So many of you are deluded about what this country is and what they think. How many losses does it take for you to understand you don’t have a winning message? Stop playing the victim about how Trump is fascist and uses scape goats and vote for candidates who win.

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Anonymous wrote:This person is some Heritage Foundation tool trying to sow discord on among anti-fascists. Ignore.

LOL.

"This person's" (me) spouse was a Dem presidential appointee in charge of providing services to a traditionally undeserved minority community nationally, has brown kids, and donated to/voted for Obama (x2), Clinton, Biden, and Harris.

tldr?

You're literally 100% mistaken.

I’m sticking with my earlier assessment:
Sht stirring troll who enjoys being a dick.

So you double down on being wrong, and refuse to discuss the benefits/drawbacks of your position.

Apropos, given the topic at hand.

See why your attitude contributes to the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting to hear how the PP thinks we should all “compromise”.

Since this all, you know, our fault.

Gawd, you're insufferable (and I'm on YOUR SIDE).

How should you compromise?

1. Recognize that those with differing political beliefs are not the enemy.

2. Even if they are, recognize that screaming at them or ignoring them will not improve the situation.

3. Attempt to address their concerns in ways that you find reasonable. To take an easy example, race-based affirmative action could be replaced with affirmative action based on economic disadvantage (as many left-leaning scholars have long proposed).

I could give literally 100 more examples, but it's pretty straightforward across the board, with only a few truly irreconcilable positions.

Dp. Nope. I'm ignoring. You are free to associate with maga. Not me.

Then you're putting your feelings and precious ideological purity above actually accomplishing anything.

You are, in short, the equivalent of a Jill Stein voter in a swing state.

More of that false equivalency.

Nope.

Both are symbolic gestures that accomplish nothing except making the actor feel better about themselves.

And both are demonstrably counterproductive in achieving the actor's external goals.

I'd say they are exactly alike.

But how 'bout answering this: what do *you* think is the real-world effect of shunning Trump voters/calling them Nazis?

Does it change their minds? Make them less extreme? Less likely to support a candidate like Trump? More likely to compromise/support your policy goals?

One directly supports the election of Trump.

The other is saving time/energy/emotion from fruitless efforts.

The real world effect is not having to deal with all of that BS. Zero of the MAGAs I know are changing their minds based off of anything I do. Ask me how I know.

But you know all of this already, shtstirrer. You just want to sow division further and gaslight Ds.

Both directly contribute to the ongoing phenomenon of Trump support. But yes, one does have personal costs. I'd argue a distinction without a difference in terms of broader impact.

And I am 100% doing the opposite of sowing division further. I'm happy to talk to virtually anyone about virtually anything, even those with whom I disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

How do you suggest “compromising” on fascism? Bigotry?

My DH and I have spent YEARS trying to share facts and reason with MAGA family members. They absolutely refuse to let go of the misinformation. You can’t persuade people who are 100% committed to the narrative.

Funny how I don’t see you pushing MAGAs to compromise at all.

First, you're aware of the science, right?

Evidence is pretty clear that dialogue/interaction between individuals that disagree tends to mitigate/limit extremism.

Second, of course I encourage MAGAs to compromise. I challenge their positions and gently make fun of them ("Eliminate the FDA? I'm buying you a 'Make E Coli Great Again' t-shirt for your birthday. I get wanting to reduce government waste, but do you REALLY want a literal sht sandwich for lunch?")

Third, WRT results. Do I get them to do a 180? No.

Have they usually moderated their rhetoric and acknowledged the validity of opposing viewpoints by the end of the conversation? 100%. And that lays the groundwork for moderation/compromise.

This is Life 101. Not so complicated.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately. I have some family members that I genuinely think are good people who voted for this administration. It’s hard to understand but I think it boils down to 1) lack of information/misinformation- I saw Fox News on the other day at my gym and it was so bizarre. If that’s what I watched I would probably think “ the libs” were public enemy #1 too. Now that we have media that is willing to 100 percent cater to specific points of view I don’t know how we will ever get people to understand where others are coming from again.

2) The power of false equivalency. I have heard plenty of people say they didn’t like Trump but they COULDN’T vote for Harris because of some bizarre reason like she didn’t do enough interviews. Or when noting the awful things Trump was accused of by women saying well Harris’ husband had an affair during her first marriage so same thing. I mean it boogles the mind but I think they really believe it.

Any time I can provide accurate information or challenge some of those mental gymnastics I consider it a win. If I hear someone outright saying something awful of course I push back on it though.

And Biden was "good to go," was what...misinformation? lack of information? then, no D primary? I did not vote for T., but that is a broad brush you have there. Some merely want a return to fiscal responsibility. We have not been trending that way and the decisions made, by someone running our govt., over the last 4 years, have greatly exacerbated the decline in the quality of life for many.

PP you are responding to and I don’t even understand what you are trying to say. If you mean you think there should have been more scrutiny of Biden’s health in early 2024 by the media I agree with you. I am very frustrated the democrats didn’t get to go through a real selection process.

If you are saying you think Fox News does a great job reporting without an agenda and providing context in their coverage when actions are clearly in violation of the law I do not agree.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

Educated women voted more for Harris. UNeducated women voted more for Trump

You can tell yourself that all you want but my friends, including myself, all voted for Trump, and we all have a mix of bachelors, masters, PhDs, and MDs.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

Educated women voted more for Harris. UNeducated women voted more for Trump

You can tell yourself that all you want but my friends, including myself, all voted for Trump, and we all have a mix of bachelors, masters, PhDs, and MDs.

Who cares the education level? This is an election not picking teams for Its Academic.

I’m not sure what reassurance people should take that they voted with the most educated electorate. America is pretty stupid. Losing an election while voting with the most educated 10% doesn’t do much for me.

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DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

Educated women voted more for Harris. UNeducated women voted more for Trump

You can tell yourself that all you want but my friends, including myself, all voted for Trump, and we all have a mix of bachelors, masters, PhDs, and MDs.

Many well-educated successful people voted for Trump. Both my brothers did, both because thought solely about the potential tax cut and how that would benefit them financial even if it caused a downturn in the market, caused mass unemployment, unemployment of other family members or increased discrimination against LGBTQIA family members.

They are both educated but not interested in researching beyond Fox news because that would require effort and might reveal some uncomfortable truths about their moral choices.

IMO, voting Trump is less about education levels and more about a world view that is very narrow and self-focused.

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Anonymous wrote:No need. I’ve never had friends who support fascists.

Same, though I’ve unfriended some high school friends/acquaintances on social media when they started posting MAGA/bigoted BS.

[Anonymous]

It seems to me - here and in every day life - that Republicans talk about government, "waste", jobs numbers, "efficiency", and of course, money.

Democrats talk about people, rights, making a living, treating people with respect and dignity, and of course, the constitution.

Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me - here and in every day life - that Republicans talk about government, "waste", jobs numbers, "efficiency", and of course, money.

Democrats talk about people, rights, making a living, treating people with respect and dignity, and of course, the constitution.

Interesting.

The Democrats do very little other than talk, while the Republicans actually do something.

- depressed Democrat

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me - here and in every day life - that Republicans talk about government, "waste", jobs numbers, "efficiency", and of course, money.

Democrats talk about people, rights, making a living, treating people with respect and dignity, and of course, the constitution.

Interesting.

The Democrats do very little other than talk, while the Republicans actually do something.

- depressed Democrat

What have they actually done?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me - here and in every day life - that Republicans talk about government, "waste", jobs numbers, "efficiency", and of course, money.

Democrats talk about people, rights, making a living, treating people with respect and dignity, and of course, the constitution.

Interesting.

The Democrats do very little other than talk, while the Republicans actually do something.

- depressed Democrat

Have they done anything constructive, or is this all just Adderall-addicted Trump and Ketamine-addicted Musk acting out?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems to me - here and in every day life - that Republicans talk about government, "waste", jobs numbers, "efficiency", and of course, money.

Democrats talk about people, rights, making a living, treating people with respect and dignity, and of course, the constitution.

Interesting.

The Democrats do very little other than talk, while the Republicans actually do something.

- depressed Democrat

What have they actually done?

Exactly as I expected, nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not friends with Nazis so no.

DP.

Loathe Trump, but just don’t understand this POV.

Obviously, the vast majority of Trump supporters are neither Nazis nor anything approaching Naxis.

So what exactly do you hope to accomplish with your disdain and invective?

Seems to me it’s just emotive venting, and almost certainly counterproductive.

My advice to everyone who doesn’t like what’s happening: grow the eff up and have conversations with people.

You have to live with them one way or another.

They are enabling racism so…

So…how are you/we going to stop them?

By ignoring them? By calling them Nazis?

The only path to making things better is to persuade/compromise.

It’s adulting 101.

Not arguing, seriously asking - how does one compromise on racism? And what I'm seeing here on this post, and what I certainly experience in real life, is that Trumpers really aren't that interested in having conversation. Right here we see people say they change the subject and call it being polite. They aren't interested in learning about the effect these racist policies and practices are having on real life human beings because, well, they're racist and they agree with it. So again, I just wonder, what would a compromise on racism look like, and are we going to run that by Black and Brown communities? Would it pass the sniff test, like could you look at them straight in the eye and tell them you support this so-called compromise on racism? That's my test - could I call up my Black friends and say hey, we have this solved. This is what we're going to do. And stand by it?

Exactly.

I’m originally from Detroit/Dearborn. I didn’t vote for Trump but several black/brown and several neighbors there around my parents did.

Women also voted for Trump. All flavors of people are susceptible to misinformation.

Educated women voted more for Harris. UNeducated women voted more for Trump

You can tell yourself that all you want but my friends, including myself, all voted for Trump, and we all have a mix of bachelors, masters, PhDs, and MDs.

Who cares the education level? This is an election not picking teams for Its Academic.

I’m not sure what reassurance people should take that they voted with the most educated electorate. America is pretty stupid. Losing an election while voting with the most educated 10% doesn’t do much for me.

You should watch Idiocracy

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This isn’t new. Blessed friends when they worked at the countertop and they refused to serve Black people. People stop being friends over the Vietnam war.

I stopped being friends with one of my friends who is part of the big short that bankrupt the United States and the Bush administration.

Do you guys have amnesia or something?

In the reality is Frump is so much worse