MOCO - County Wide Upzoning, Everywhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what upzoning will accomplish?

I just want someone to lay it all out, in detail, so we can all come back later and point out how it didn't do *any* of the things we were promised.

Allow property owners to build two-unit, three-unit, or four-unit residential buildings, by right, in addition to one-unit residential buildings, in certain areas of Montgomery County where currently only one-unit residential buildings may be built by right.

That's it? That's all you got? Nothing about what it will mean for housing prices? Nothing about how many more units will be built?

I dont know how upzoning became the answer to all of our problems, but y'all are going to be *very* disappointed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what upzoning will accomplish?

I just want someone to lay it all out, in detail, so we can all come back later and point out how it didn't do *any* of the things we were promised.

Allow property owners to build two-unit, three-unit, or four-unit residential buildings, by right, in addition to one-unit residential buildings, in certain areas of Montgomery County where currently only one-unit residential buildings may be built by right.

That's it? That's all you got? Nothing about what it will mean for housing prices? Nothing about how many more units will be built?

I dont know how upzoning became the answer to all of our problems, but y'all are going to be *very* disappointed.

I don't know who has said that upzoning is the answer to all of our problems?

Either upzoning won't result in more housing, in which case the UPZONING WILL DESTROY THE TRANQUILITY OF BETHESDA, POTOMAC, AND THE UPCOUNTY (!) posters have nothing to worry about, and you can be smug and say "I told you so." Or upzoning will result in more housing, in which case the UPZONING WILL DESTROY THE TRANQUILITY OF BETHESDA, POTOMAC, AND THE UPCOUNTY (!) posters do potentially have something to worry about (depending on what they worry about), and you cannnot be smug and say "I told you so." Choose one.

I live in the upcounty (Germantown), which, according to other parts of DCUM, is Ganglandia, not Tranquilityville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what upzoning will accomplish?

I just want someone to lay it all out, in detail, so we can all come back later and point out how it didn't do *any* of the things we were promised.

Allow property owners to build two-unit, three-unit, or four-unit residential buildings, by right, in addition to one-unit residential buildings, in certain areas of Montgomery County where currently only one-unit residential buildings may be built by right.

That's it? That's all you got? Nothing about what it will mean for housing prices? Nothing about how many more units will be built?

I dont know how upzoning became the answer to all of our problems, but y'all are going to be *very* disappointed.

It's propaganda/PR for rich developers & bankers who are hoarding land. Hoard cheap land -> get gov puppets to upzone it -> builder grade pods apts -> make a killing off the passive rents for 50 years. High density for the proletariat, gated estates for the rich pushing this crap down everyone's throats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what upzoning will accomplish?

I just want someone to lay it all out, in detail, so we can all come back later and point out how it didn't do *any* of the things we were promised.

Allow property owners to build two-unit, three-unit, or four-unit residential buildings, by right, in addition to one-unit residential buildings, in certain areas of Montgomery County where currently only one-unit residential buildings may be built by right.

That's it? That's all you got? Nothing about what it will mean for housing prices? Nothing about how many more units will be built?

I dont know how upzoning became the answer to all of our problems, but y'all are going to be *very* disappointed.

It's propaganda/PR for rich developers & bankers who are hoarding land. Hoard cheap land -> get gov puppets to upzone it -> builder grade pods apts -> make a killing off the passive rents for 50 years. High density for the proletariat, gated estates for the rich pushing this crap down everyone's throats.

"Gated estates"? Where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Good grief. Imagine calling buses a fringe transportation solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Ridership is irrelevant to them as long as its existence allows them to change zoning. It’s like biking lanes, if you press the YIMBYs on it they will admit that they don’t care about how many people bike, it’s about “traffic calming,” aka slowing down traffic.

Nothing they do is based on any actual metrics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Good grief. Imagine calling buses a fringe transportation solution.

Do you know what fringe means?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Ridership is irrelevant to them as long as its existence allows them to change zoning. It’s like biking lanes, if you press the YIMBYs on it they will admit that they don’t care about how many people bike, it’s about “traffic calming,” aka slowing down traffic.

Nothing they do is based on any actual metrics.

The bureaucrats are all just puppets for the connected developers (and the brokers, bankers, lawyers, consultants, architects, and union apparatus) pushing this high-density crap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Maybe the fact that a majority of people are never going to ride the bus makes its existence as a basis for changes in zoning a terrible idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Good grief. Imagine calling buses a fringe transportation solution.

Do you know what fringe means?

Do you know that what less than one tenth of one percent people ride the bus each day means? Almost no growth will happen based on the fantasy that bus ridership will increase because the developers know it won’t sell well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Good grief. Imagine calling buses a fringe transportation solution.

Do you know what fringe means?

Do you know that what less than one tenth of one percent people ride the bus each day means? Almost no growth will happen based on the fantasy that bus ridership will increase because the developers know it won’t sell well.

I’m not sure why you are replying to someone that agrees with you. I was questioning their knowledge of the word fringe based on their assertion that the bus was somehow a mainstream form of transportation in MOCO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People move to SFH neighborhoods specifically to have space. They are going to ruin the entire county until it is paved concrete jungle like Tokyo and we all get to live in sh!tty 400 sqft apts.

But hey, at least the crappy chipotle down the street is walkable. I can’t wait until this stupendously backfires and everyone with means (by and large part home owners) flees because all of the upzoning imports tons of poverty and trashy people into the county. Gee, you mean it sucks when your neighborhood street has 30000 cars parked all over because each triplex houses 20 people all with their own cars?

R.I.P. MoCo. Howard and AA Counties looking more attractive by the day.

This is so off-base. Everyone moving into these upzoned pod apartments will walk and bicycle everywhere! lol

No, no…everyone is going to take the new “mass transit,” THE BUS.

You haven’t heard about the magic bus? It’s the newest craze! It’s a low budget low income roadgoing monorail, and it’s going to hold up traffic in so many new and interesting ways!

There are tens, TENS, of people that are going to ride it, somewhere. Maybe.

The important part is that it allows the county to say that there is mass transit to allow for removing parking restrictions and adding density, at the same time! So get on board THE BUS, Boomer!

What a weird thing to say. Buses actually are mass transit, and lots of people ride buses, right now. There were over 14 million trips just on RideOn, last year, and that doesn't include Metrobus ridership. And also with bus service that still isn't as good, overall, as it was before covid. Maybe you don't ride buses, but that's a you issue.

Glad you agree that having just 19,000 round trips a day in a county of more than a million people makes the bus a fringe transportation solution.

Good grief. Imagine calling buses a fringe transportation solution.

Do you know what fringe means?

Do you know that what less than one tenth of one percent people ride the bus each day means? Almost no growth will happen based on the fantasy that bus ridership will increase because the developers know it won’t sell well.

I’m not sure why you are replying to someone that agrees with you. I was questioning their knowledge of the word fringe based on their assertion that the bus was somehow a mainstream form of transportation in MOCO.

No wonder you guys are on the losing side of most of the policy decisions in Montgomery County.