San Francisco is imploding

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Anonymous wrote:San Francisco is NEVER going to solve the homeless crisis because if they house 10,000 people overnight by some miracle, then 10,000 more will arrive from across the country. This is why places like California, New York, DC, Portland, etc. are going to always have homeless people. Lax laws such as no drug enforcement, cheap cost of drugs - fentanyl is cheaper in SF than other areas, plus generous handouts means people from across the country will continue to pour into SF and other cities like it.

Doesn't help that all of the western red states are sending their own homeless, their own drug addicts and so on to San Francisco rather than dealing with it themselves. And then they have the gall to point at the people THEY SENT THERE and say "oh look, how disgusting San Francisco is with all those homeless and drug addicts on the streets."

This is just false and is being pushed as a narrative to try to somehow make excuses for the homeless problem in SF.

Seventy-one percent of those surveyed reported living in San Francisco, 24% in other California counties and 4% outside California.

Of those with a prior residence in the city, 17% said they had lived in San Francisco for less than one year, while 35% said they had been in the city for 10 or more years. The remaining 52% of those respondents said they lived in the city between one and 10 years before becoming homeless.

https://sfstandard.com/public-health/san-francisco-homeless-people-from-the-city/#

The chief of police just said out of the last 45 people arrested for public drug use in SF (there behavior must have been atrocious to get arrested ) only 3 out if the 45 had SF addresses. Even the article states:
Others argue that the data is flawed because it’s self-reported and that it still finds that more than 2,200 people of the city’s total 7,754 unhoused population were homeless before they moved to San Francisco.

My brother lives there and says must residents know that homeless are encouraged to say they are from SF even when they are not. There are plenty of journalists who have filmed themselves asking homeless where they are from and if the response is SF. But then they ask them what high school they went to and they don’t respond or then admit they aren’t from SF and recently arrived. Often they add how easy it is to be homeless there 650 dollars in general assistance plus $250 in food stamps every month. To get that money you have to be a CA resident, so of course people are going to report they are from CA.

The homeless go to SF on their own free will because it is a magnet for homeless people. They receive benefits that other states don't provide. They have access to free drug paraphernalia and they know they won't be arrested for public vagrancy. It is the policies there that is making this problem worse - not other states "sending" their homeless there.
When you make it "comfortable" for homeless to stay drug addicted and to live the way they want, more homeless will come.

There are also many many instances that have been documented where mentally ill people and drug addicts were sent to San Francisco and Sacramento and other places. Here is an example where a Nevada mental institution was dumping patients on the streets of San Francisco.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/21/nevada-california-patient-dumping/2681593

That piece is 10 years old. Any more recent pieces?

dp... even if it was 10 yrs ago, do you think these homeless people have since left SF? And there are probably more of these incidents than this article found.

That was just one of the more known and notorious cases of a psych ward being shut down and all of the mental patients just dumped onto the streets of San Francisco. There are many more instances.

pp here.. I grew up in LA, and very well remember all the mentally ill patients being dumped in skid row when Reagan stopped funding the mental hospitals.

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Anonymous wrote:I was told by the head of a DC homeless shelter where I volunteered, that something like 95% of the homeless are mentally ill.

A friend's father is homeless. She grew up in an upper middle class home in Westchester. Her father had some mental break and left the family. She and her siblings have been trying for years to get him housed and with a job, but no matter what they do, he abandons the apartment and job and ends up back on the street. They are at a loss.

My point is that a lot of this is mental health and we need huge resources to fix it.
To those who say lock up all the homeless and the addicts, then what? The police could round up everyone on the streets of SF and then the court and jail systems are overrun and most will be let out on bail or technicalities anyway. Prison is no place for the mentally ill. And addicts need their own treatment.
It's about so much more than finding homes.

When someone is so mentally ill that he won't take the treatment offered, then require longterm hospitalization or supervised group home care.

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Anonymous wrote:They should do what Houston did and put them in apartments.

What about all the unused office space? Start there. Convert to studio apartments and start giving them to currently unhoused.

This is a brilliant idea. There are tons and tons of empty offices, post-pandemic. They should be converted to apartments for the homeless.

But of course, cost? Maintenance, etc. etc. Who pays for the buildings? Who maintains them? Who keeps an eye on all those mentally ill formerly homeless people living in the same building?

But all that office space is going empty, so why not put it to use? My friend lived in an old office building that had been converted to apartments. The apartments were weird, with windows at only one end, but still the apartment was large and comfortable. This was in NYC in the late 1980s, when apartments were very scarce.

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Anonymous wrote:They should do what Houston did and put them in apartments.

What about all the unused office space? Start there. Convert to studio apartments and start giving them to currently unhoused.

People really need to stop parroting this really bad idea. You can't just magically covert office space into living space they meets code. You have to basically entirely gut buildings, run new electrical, new piping, etc..it's a brand new building that makes it not cost effective. Cities also lose massive amounts of revenue because commerical space is taxed way higher than residential space.

But if the office buildings are empty, why not convert them? Doesn't homelessness cost a lot of money already? Why not spend the money to convert these existing buildings. Think of all the SoHo lofts -- they were factory buildings that artists turned into homes. Now they are worth millions.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports of SF demise are about as accurate as other Fox tropes like the stolen election.

So proud of Sf! London Breed is one of the most dynamic leaders in our country.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to keep your sanity.

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Anonymous wrote:They should do what Houston did and put them in apartments.

What about all the unused office space? Start there. Convert to studio apartments and start giving them to currently unhoused.

This is a brilliant idea. There are tons and tons of empty offices, post-pandemic. They should be converted to apartments for the homeless.

But of course, cost? Maintenance, etc. etc. Who pays for the buildings? Who maintains them? Who keeps an eye on all those mentally ill formerly homeless people living in the same building?

But all that office space is going empty, so why not put it to use? My friend lived in an old office building that had been converted to apartments. The apartments were weird, with windows at only one end, but still the apartment was large and comfortable. This was in NYC in the late 1980s, when apartments were very scarce.

And, many of them will HAVE to go into a treatment program. Apartments won't work all that well when a meth addict tears out the copper wire and plumbing to sell for drugs, or when the untreated person with severe mental illness sets their kitchen on fire.

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Anonymous wrote:They should do what Houston did and put them in apartments.

What about all the unused office space? Start there. Convert to studio apartments and start giving them to currently unhoused.

People really need to stop parroting this really bad idea. You can't just magically covert office space into living space they meets code. You have to basically entirely gut buildings, run new electrical, new piping, etc..it's a brand new building that makes it not cost effective. Cities also lose massive amounts of revenue because commerical space is taxed way higher than residential space.

But if the office buildings are empty, why not convert them? Doesn't homelessness cost a lot of money already? Why not spend the money to convert these existing buildings. Think of all the SoHo lofts -- they were factory buildings that artists turned into homes. Now they are worth millions.

Who pays to buy out existing leases, pay off existing mortgages and loans, which could be in the millions for a single building, before even being able to spend the millions more per building to convert it? Where does the money come from? Homeless do not contribute to tax base for local government to be able to afford it.

These things sound great on paper but are are not all that easily workable.

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For DC, it would be vastly cheaper, like cost less than a quarter as much, to buy acreage somewhere like West Virginia, and build new, along with an entire campus with housing, hospital / treatment center, social services et cetera.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports of SF demise are about as accurate as other Fox tropes like the stolen election.

So proud of Sf! London Breed is one of the most dynamic leaders in our country.

Not from Fox:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/us/london-breed-san-francisco-mayor.html

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Fox on Twitter! Total fake story. Why do you follow Fox on Twitter? You are being manipulated by foreigners- Musk and Murdoch.

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I used to live in SF…it was like Heaven:great food, safe, moderate weather, amazing scenery. Then Leftism takes over, & insanity prevails.

Low crime because every infraction is now de facto legal.

The guy who claimed all homeless need is a roof over their head & they will automatically become Ward Cleaver has the mind of a 6th grade girl.

Don’t like having to absorb other people’s problems? Now you know what Texas border goes through.

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Fox on Twitter! Total fake story. Why do you follow Fox on Twitter? You are being manipulated by foreigners- Musk and Murdoch.

Don't like to acknowledge facts that run contrary to your worldview?

https://www.thesfnews.com/mother-attacked-by-juvenile-suspect/87470

SAN FRANCISCO—A mother who was on her way to pick up her daughter from daycare was attacked a juvenile suspect in an effort to steal her smartphone on Monday, June 26.

The victim was pushing an empty stroller as she was walking towards the daycare when a suspect wearing a gray ski mask jumped out of a car and knocked her to the ground. The suspect got away with her phone.

Since the crime occurred officials have connected a group of teenagers to at least 11 other attacks that occurred in the Noe Valley last week. One juvenile male suspect has been arrested in connection to the crimes and police are currently looking for the other perpetrators.

According to investigators the suspects have been targeting female victims to steal their phones. One victim was said to have been pregnant and others were pushing strollers when the crime occurred.

One victim who chose to remain anonymous told the San Francisco Chronicle that she was punched in the face as she was on her way to pick up her children from school on Tuesday, June 27. She explained to the publication that she was having a conversation with someone on the phone near a café when a young suspect in a black ski mask appeared and began following her from behind.

When the victim noticed the suspect, she turned around. The assailant then grabbed the victim’s hand that was holding the phone and punched her in the face.

One other victim was reported to have been assaulted with a baseball bat during a separate attack that occurred last week.

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Trade homeless at border one-for-one for “asylum seekers.” Homeless would love Mexico…it’s warmer than San Francisco, plentiful drugs, & drug blackouts can be rebranded as siestas. Win-win!

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R.I.P. SF and other blue urban centers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-12/working-from-home-office-landlords-risk-800-billion-in-losses-mckinsey-says#xj4y7vzkg


A decline in commercial RE is going to obliterate the finances of blue run cities like SF. Decreased value means huge shortfalls in tax revenue. They’ll try to plug the difference with increases in income taxes…..which will just cause more people to flee. SF is already in this death spiral and has huge budget deficits now. It’s only going to get worse, and all they ever do is come up with more looney ideas on how to tax and spend more. Unfortunately someone has gotta pickup the tab.