Removing and Renaming Confederate Statues, Schools, Streets, etc: Why?

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Anonymous wrote:City of Alexandria has an ordinance from 1951 that city streets that running north-south be named after confederate leaders.

The city is now trying to rename 31 streets. Personally I think everyone who lives on the street should have to be able to name and explain who the street is named for otherwise the street name remains as is. Guarantee 99.9% gave no idea and don't care.

Up until 2015, Alexandria flew the Confederate flag on Confederate memorial day.

Think about why that was the case in 1951.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t listen to these hypocrites. They would never ever say anything about renaming everything associated with Washington or Jefferson, nor will they ever advocate for renaming Fairfax County, named after Lord Fairfax, a prominent slave owner. They think they can pick and choose everything to their liking, just like the constitution they so desperately want to abolish.

When exactly did Washington fight against our country? When did he kill 620,000 Americans to keep 4 million people enslaved?

Sit TF down, fool.

And what did Thomas Fairfax, 6th Lord of Fairfax of Cameron do other than buying and selling enslaved Africans and deriving his income from the labor of hundreds of slaves on his 30 farms? Let us rename the entire county to Lewis County once and for all!

If you feel strongly go start a petition. I DGAF about his name one way or another.

He wasn’t a traitor who killed 620,000 Americans in efforts to keep 4 million people enslaved. So you might not get much traction.

PP here. I don’t care, rather I oppose ALL monuments or statues being removed, including those with Robert E Lee. It’s all a bunch of political BS.

OK, noted. Most of us do care about whether we celebrate racist traitors or not.

Guess some people want to cling to racist symbols from the Jim Crow era.

You are a hypocrite. Then why not rename Fairfax County? Or a better question would be, why did we rename TC Williams High School, named after a segregationist superintendent? Neither are so called “traitors” which I assume you are referring to Confederates, but why pick and choose specific individuals to the boards’ liking?

Because the impact of their actions more directly impacts our community and country.

Again, if you want to rename I’d be ok with that. Go start a petition.

So you’re telling me that the renaming of TC Williams, a public school with a mere 2,000 students in it, is gonna have more of an impact on the community and country than the name of one of the biggest counties in the country?

[Anonymous]

Imagine how I feel being a native Loudouner and having to deal with all this suburbanization and yankee transplants becoming the majority. Wish I could go back to times where Northern Virginia still retained some it’s dixie charm.

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Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.

They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.

I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.

Yes, they were. Stick to facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how I feel being a native Loudouner and having to deal with all this suburbanization and yankee transplants becoming the majority. Wish I could go back to times where Northern Virginia still retained some it’s dixie charm.

I can’t imagine longing for “Dixie charm.”

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how I feel being a native Loudouner and having to deal with all this suburbanization and yankee transplants becoming the majority. Wish I could go back to times where Northern Virginia still retained some it’s dixie charm.

Ah yes, the times when fairfax was still semi-rural and we made fun of kids from maryland for being yanks. good times indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine how I feel being a native Loudouner and having to deal with all this suburbanization and yankee transplants becoming the majority. Wish I could go back to times where Northern Virginia still retained some it’s dixie charm.

Ah yes, the times when fairfax was still semi-rural and we made fun of kids from maryland for being yanks. good times indeed.

Moved to Great Falls in the early 2000s and even then I thought Loudoun was a bunch of farmers in the middle of nowhere. Still think that to an extent, especially when I cross the bridge north of Leesburg near Lovettsville into Maryland haha.

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Anonymous wrote:It is shameful we ever had statues to those treasonous traitors. The reckoning is long overdue.

They weren't treasonous traitors. Stick to facts.

I don't mind taking down the statues but there's a lot of recent revisionist history from both sides.

Yes, they were. Stick to facts.

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[Anonymous]

Im fine with removing confederate stuff. But why couldn't Fairfax County find a good Lee person to rename Lee Highway after to keep it generally known as Lee Highway rather than just Route 29? Like Spike Lee Highway?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a reason I chose VA as opposed to DC or MD when moving to this area from Arkansas. I felt as if I would feel least home sick and would be able to retain a bit of my culture from my hometown to my second home here. We need to look ahead, not backwards.

Your culture is celebrating slave holding traitors to our nation?

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No, our culture as in being a Southerner and referring to people as sir/ ma’am and wearing cowboy hats and drinking beer around the bon fire and going to church on sundays. Being a southerner seems to have a very negative connotation nowadays, you know everything isn’t about race right?

Half of these things do feel like a pretty white version of the South, to be honest. So you can't get away from race even if you try.

Which ones?

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Anonymous wrote:President Lyndon Johnson expended considerable political capital to pass the most significant civil rights legislation in almost a century, which even today is considered a towering achievement. Yet White House tapes of LBJ’s phone conversations show that he sometimes used the n-word in conversations with some of his former Southern colleagues in the Senate. Should LBJ be cancelled? History is messy.

Racism is system of structural privilege that is distinct from being a bigot. It's possible to not be bigoted but still support racism. Or, as in Johnson's case, it's possible to be anti-racist in your actions but bigoted in your personal views. Or it could be that he just played the role of a bigot to put others at ease.

So does that mean things can be named after him or no?

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Anonymous wrote:We must prohibit those who come from Yankee states to Virginia from voting for at least five years to a decade, in order for them to be able to culturally assimilate with southerners! I’m only half kidding, but it’s easy to understand why people who come from such progressive, northern states would be taken back by the way of living of the historical differences even here in northern Virginia. I would be willing to bet half would not even know that Robert E Lee was the general of the Army of Northern Virginia! You live and you learn.

Don’t het ahead of yourself. The North wasn’t that great, either.
http://civildiscourse-historyblog.com/blog/2017/1/3/when-did-slavery-really-end-in-the-north

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Im fine with removing confederate stuff. But why couldn't Fairfax County find a good Lee person to rename Lee Highway after to keep it generally known as Lee Highway rather than just Route 29? Like Spike Lee Highway?

What’s wrong with numbers? Almost everyone else deals with them and they don’t take any “charm” away from roadways.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We must prohibit those who come from Yankee states to Virginia from voting for at least five years to a decade, in order for them to be able to culturally assimilate with southerners! I’m only half kidding, but it’s easy to understand why people who come from such progressive, northern states would be taken back by the way of living of the historical differences even here in northern Virginia. I would be willing to bet half would not even know that Robert E Lee was the general of the Army of Northern Virginia! You live and you learn.

Don’t het ahead of yourself. The North wasn’t that great, either.
http://civildiscourse-historyblog.com/blog/2017/1/3/when-did-slavery-really-end-in-the-north

But they weren’t traitors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Im fine with removing confederate stuff. But why couldn't Fairfax County find a good Lee person to rename Lee Highway after to keep it generally known as Lee Highway rather than just Route 29? Like Spike Lee Highway?

What’s wrong with numbers? Almost everyone else deals with them and they don’t take any “charm” away from roadways.

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Numbers, letters, flowers, birds, etc.