Half of British women reach age 30 without having a child

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a single mother by choice in my 30s. Wonder if Brunch Granny thinks I’m more or less horrifying than the child free folks in their 40s?

Are you part of the elite 5-10% of girlboss women?

The issue isn’t people like you.

The issue is society thinking all women can be like top 5-10% girlboss women.

What are girlboss women?

Not grammar school teachers who squeeze out kids at 22.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

This is my favorite post ever.

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

Hmmm, it could be. I always pictured a greasy, pasty incel who think the reason he can't find a sex partner is because all us gals are off at brunch with our besties and posting our meals on IG.

Either way, I find the vendetta against brunches hilarious. 1000 years from now, when historians write textbooks on the downfall of Western Civilization, it will all come down to one thing......brunch. The Eggs Benedict that dried up 4 billion women's eggs. Women both ate the bacon and brought it home. We waffled on having kids because we wanted to eat the waffles, and then it was too late.

[Anonymous]

Hmmm, it could be. I always pictured a greasy, pasty incel who think the reason he can't find a sex partner is because all us gals are off at brunch with our besties and posting our meals on IG.

Either way, I find the vendetta against brunches hilarious. 1000 years from now, when historians write textbooks on the downfall of Western Civilization, it will all come down to one thing......brunch. The Eggs Benedict that dried up 4 billion women's eggs. Women both ate the bacon and brought it home. We waffled on having kids because we wanted to eat the waffles, and then it was too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a single mother by choice in my 30s. Wonder if Brunch Granny thinks I’m more or less horrifying than the child free folks in their 40s?

Are you part of the elite 5-10% of girlboss women?

The issue isn’t people like you.

The issue is society thinking all women can be like top 5-10% girlboss women.

What are girlboss women?

Usually that refers to women who shill trashy MLMs, like smelly wax melts and overpriced nail stickers, which makes Granny using it (incorrectly) even funnier.

[Anonymous]

"Or are you too thick to realize the 30-plus y/o women who discover they're actually barren are not going to make this chart, see NYTimes.com piece below? Are you too thick to realize the higher educated, i.e. wealthier, have access to health care which pays for brute force in vitro fertilization test tube babies? Are you too thick to realize the women who begin at 30-plus discover they can only have one or two children instead of the three or four they desire? Are you too thick to realize this chart doesn't detail the birth complications, the autism, the allergies, etc. more likely to happen in older mothers? Are you too thick to realize when you have your first child at 30-plus your body does not bounce back and you also lack the energy a younger mother has? Are you too thick to realize when you have children in advanced age you look like a granny, not a cute mother, e.g. Sarah Jessica ? Are you too thick to realize the 10 plus years you waited to have children are 10 plus years you will not see your children grow and grandchildren born and grow before you die?"

Why are you assuming everyone wants three or four children? I always wanted two. I have one sibling. I want to spend time and money on experiences other than raising kids. It was more important to me to take on marriage once I was mature enough to make the commitment and once my career was well established. I don't care if you thought I looked like a granny. Who becomes a grandmother at 47 these days?

[Anonymous]

"Men nor women should be wasting their prime in these pointless scam higher-ed programs, but it's worth noting men are in fact far less likely in 2022 to seek a pointless graduate degree. You're free to google the countless articles and data on this. Women are wasting their money and biological clock in these two and three year programs, then they need to find a #GirlBoss career to service the six figures of student loan debt, so that's more years wasted. And of course, men don't have a narrow reproductive window. #Science"

Being a doctor or lawyer is a pointless scam higher-ed program? You want to go to a doctor who didn't actually go to medical school? My grad student debt was under $25K. And what is wrong with a #GirlBoss career? I had one while raised my children, with my husband.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really don’t know anyone who had a child before 30. And I got married young. I had my first at 30 and was one of the youngest.

Imagine being smug about waiting until your 30s to have your first child. High probability you and/or your husband die before you experience the joy of grandchildren.

I absolutely do not care whether I live long enough to meet my grandchildren. My mother married young, had me young but still died when her first grandchild was 14 months old because the time she grew up in encouraged smoking. Your life is about more than your children and grandchildren, I hope.

Darling, you have exposed yourself. I 100% guarantee you do not have children. There is no greater joy than children and a close second is the great joy in seeing another generation come into this world.

I do have children. They are 22 and 20. I don't care if I ever have grandchildren. I won't babysit them on a regular basis or support them financially. It's completely up to my kids whether or not I have grandchildren.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a single mother by choice in my 30s. Wonder if Brunch Granny thinks I’m more or less horrifying than the child free folks in their 40s?

Are you part of the elite 5-10% of girlboss women?

The issue isn’t people like you.

The issue is society thinking all women can be like top 5-10% girlboss women.

What are girlboss women?

Usually that refers to women who shill trashy MLMs, like smelly wax melts and overpriced nail stickers, which makes Granny using it (incorrectly) even funnier.

I was loving that. Honestly if it’s a troll, they are brilliant. It’s all about the details.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The good ones are all snapped up in college or grad school. You don’t have to marry right away, but they are all seriously committed by 25. At least in my own experience - this describes everyone I know in a healthy stable marriage with a reasonably equal partner. Even if they waited to marry/have kids, they were together fairly young.

You need a wider circle. dH and I met at 27 and 29, married now almost 25 years.

Right?? Several of my friends met and married their classmates at top business schools - where MANY of the men were single in their late 20s. Most of them (men) got married in their early 30s and have started having babies in their mid 30s. Your timeline is maybe only accurate for super religious people, less educated and then maybe regionally the Midwest or south

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The good ones are all snapped up in college or grad school. You don’t have to marry right away, but they are all seriously committed by 25. At least in my own experience - this describes everyone I know in a healthy stable marriage with a reasonably equal partner. Even if they waited to marry/have kids, they were together fairly young.

You need a wider circle. dH and I met at 27 and 29, married now almost 25 years.

Right?? Several of my friends met and married their classmates at top business schools - where MANY of the men were single in their late 20s. Most of them (men) got married in their early 30s and have started having babies in their mid 30s. Your timeline is maybe only accurate for super religious people, less educated and then maybe regionally the Midwest or south

I'm 46 and virtually everyone I know married in their thirties. A few met their future spouse in their mid to late twenties but most met later.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

Lord if you are only mid-40s, you sound prematurely ANCIENT. It's no longer a badge of honor to become a grandma at 45, sorry. And the fact that you think anything other than birthing babies is a complete waste of life...is deeply sad. I am sure you didn't mean to imply that Mother Theresa was a wasted life, or any woman or man who's struggled with infertility.

And guess what? If childfree people are stricken with illness in their 30s, 40s, 50s, they will pay for things using their very own health insurance that they get from their jobs, and they will get help from their friends and boyfriends and family members if they need it. It's so sad that you think that the only people who would ever help another human being are their spouses or their children. (Also WTF, I know you had your kids young but I doubt they are much help if you have cancer in your 30s.).

I do think there was a short window in which some women were misled. I am genX born in 1969 and I had more than one PHYSICIAN tell me in my 20s that I could start my family at 40 if I wanted to. This was in the early days of IVF when it looked like fertility could be extended for a lot longer than turned out to be feasible. But by the time I was in my 30s that was no longer any kind of conventional wisdom. I had my first of 3 kids at 34, no regrets.

And for the record, nobody watched sex in the city and thought, I will just have brunch and buy shoes and forget about having meaningful relationships. I didn't watch all of it because it seemed kind of stupid to me, but it was all about angst over husbands and babies with Kim Cattrell as the shocking rebel.

Exactly. PP never watched SATC, those women spent day in and out trying to find Mr. Right. Miranda is the one who really cared about a career and even she ended up married and with a kid. Sam was the sole rebel and when she got cancer her longtime beau and those three women took care of her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What the hell do you expect?

Wages don't grow. Housing is completely unaffordable. Childcare costs are insane. Healthcare is ludicrous. Even if you had kids, stupid minivan to haul them around to soccer practice now costs $40k. And don't even talk about college costs....

You want to die in poverty? Have a kid.

Younger generations didn't create these problems. They're the ones that have to live with them though. The only solution is to not have kids just so that you can keep your financial head above water.

It's not money, it's decades of Hollywood and feminist propaganda. It's "cool" and "sophisticated" and "worldly" to piss away your prime fertility years living in the big city and traveling and waiting two hours to be seated for a hip brunch and rising the ladder at your make-work career, so you can piss more money away on shoes, travel, and instagram-worthy furniture. #GirlBoss #LeanIn

Oooooo the anti-brunch guy is back!!! I missed you and your rants against women going to brunch!!!

Is it really a dude? Gross.

I assumed it was a cranky old religious hag.

I'm not a "dude" or a "hag". I'm in my mid 40s, married, mother of three, one grandchild, a meaningful career, and all of my children attended top 25 universities. Play coy that being a wine or martini drunk, and wasting weekends away shopping and brunching weren't a "thing" for women over the last two decades. It's basically the premise of SATC. Waste your 20s and 30s and you'll land a Mr Big. Fertility? Don't worry about it! Have hedonistic fun! Millions of women who should have been married and having babies were wasting their lives on nothing. Pointless consumerism, and now, nothing to show for it. No heirs, no legacy, nobody will remember them. Genetic dead ends. Never mind end of life, imagine being stricken with an illness in your 30s 40s 50s and no husband or children to help. Or a husband who is exponentially more likely to leave you because he has no children with you. Never experiencing the joys of grandchildren. It's terribly sad how many women were conned.

Lord if you are only mid-40s, you sound prematurely ANCIENT. It's no longer a badge of honor to become a grandma at 45, sorry. And the fact that you think anything other than birthing babies is a complete waste of life...is deeply sad. I am sure you didn't mean to imply that Mother Theresa was a wasted life, or any woman or man who's struggled with infertility.

And guess what? If childfree people are stricken with illness in their 30s, 40s, 50s, they will pay for things using their very own health insurance that they get from their jobs, and they will get help from their friends and boyfriends and family members if they need it. It's so sad that you think that the only people who would ever help another human being are their spouses or their children. (Also WTF, I know you had your kids young but I doubt they are much help if you have cancer in your 30s.).

I do think there was a short window in which some women were misled. I am genX born in 1969 and I had more than one PHYSICIAN tell me in my 20s that I could start my family at 40 if I wanted to. This was in the early days of IVF when it looked like fertility could be extended for a lot longer than turned out to be feasible. But by the time I was in my 30s that was no longer any kind of conventional wisdom. I had my first of 3 kids at 34, no regrets.

And for the record, nobody watched sex in the city and thought, I will just have brunch and buy shoes and forget about having meaningful relationships. I didn't watch all of it because it seemed kind of stupid to me, but it was all about angst over husbands and babies with Kim Cattrell as the shocking rebel.

People get laid off left and right starting in their 50s. Good health insurance is harder to hold on to as you increasingly become unemployable (and when you really start to need it most.)

And, I’m sorry, but you’re really fooling yourself if you think that friends—many of whom will be occupied with their own families—are going to be dependable in your most desperate times. As you get older, you start to realize how much you appreciate your partner when you need a catheter bag emptied in the middle of the night, when you need a bandage changed on a part of your back that you can’t possibly reach, etc.

[Anonymous]

Came here from "best of DCUM" and this thread did not disappoint! I love this lady almost as much as I love Burger King Lady.

[Anonymous]

It's so weird that she thinks you have to be a child bride in order to live long enough to see your grandchildren. My mom was 29 when she had me and I had my kids in my 30s. My parents, now in their 80s, have attended countless grandkids high school and college graduations as well as one grandchild wedding. Lord willing, they will even meet a few great grandkids before they pass.

[Anonymous]

Also she brags about her 21 year old daughter who married a med student. So old school. I would rather that my daughter was the doctor, not the doctors wife.