FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

[Anonymous]

West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If sending your child there is not going to change the way the teachers teach, then why do we need to send them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

What proof do you have of "horrible teaching programs"? SES is extremely difficult, though not impossible, to overcome. Teachers at schools like WSHS and Langley start out on third base by and large. You often have more experienced teachers at those schools because as people gain seniority and experience, they seek out school assignments in stronger schools. Test scores alone are a not a reliable measure of teaching effectiveness since so much else impacts students's performance. (Yes, there are studies that support this, but that is another topic.) You may have less experienced teachers in the lower performing schools because those schools are often the "foot in the door" jobs for newer teachers, but stating that the teaching is horrible is not fair at all to teachers who slog it out under less than ideal circumstances in schools like Lewis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

I agree with this post. Pp’s claim that all the schools are the same is just absurd and self serving.

[Anonymous]

Well, then, there is no need to remove students from their current environment.

Done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

What proof do you have of "horrible teaching programs"? SES is extremely difficult, though not impossible, to overcome. Teachers at schools like WSHS and Langley start out on third base by and large. You often have more experienced teachers at those schools because as people gain seniority and experience, they seek out school assignments in stronger schools. Test scores alone are a not a reliable measure of teaching effectiveness since so much else impacts students's performance. (Yes, there are studies that support this, but that is another topic.) You may have less experienced teachers in the lower performing schools because those schools are often the "foot in the door" jobs for newer teachers, but stating that the teaching is horrible is not fair at all to teachers who slog it out under less than ideal circumstances in schools like Lewis.

The test scores are a reliable indicator of the capability of the student body. Do you really think honors freshman english at Langley and Mount Vernon are going to look anything alike even if the syllabi are the same? Which class do you think will move faster and cover more material?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

I’m going to refrain from dunking on you with your top 10% comment because that might represent a real achievement for your family.

We couldn’t disagree more about school quality and academic success, but that’s why it’s so great that you got to chose your pyramid and we got to chose ours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

Great to hear. Then, you are fine with no boundary adjustments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

Stupid question: What measure are you using that ranks kids from bottom to top in FCPS and why do you look at that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

Thanks for your anecdote, which indicates there’s no compelling reason to adjust boundaries when a kid like yours can succeed anywhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

You and your ilk have been pissed off at every superintendent for the last 20 years. Hard to take you seriously any more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

I’m going to refrain from dunking on you with your top 10% comment because that might represent a real achievement for your family.

We couldn’t disagree more about school quality and academic success, but that’s why it’s so great that you got to chose your pyramid and we got to chose ours.

No. You chose where to buy a home. Boundaries change. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

Or maybe it's painful to think that you've spent $100,000 more on housing to buy into a "better school district" when it has no bearing on your child's academic success. When a child at a "poor kid's school" can end up being as successful as a kid at a "rich kid's school."

My kid's testing at the top 10% of Fairfax County (all of Fairfax County), and we go to a "poor kid's school." And we saved a whole heck of a lot of money on mortgage and taxes. And no, my kid's not the smartest kid at our poor little school.

Ehh, all you seem to want, then, is a boost in your housing equity to reward you for being so damn clever. Let others enjoy the schools they picked rather than cram boundary changes down their throats just because you want some further validation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:West Springfield is almost 50% white. I don't think that makes it a shining example of diversity.

Fairfax High School is more diverse, and it's got a score of a 6 on Great Schools. (Though Great Schools doesn't give good ratings to Fairfax's Hispanic population, and the first review there is a very angry Spanish review.)

Edison with its STEM feeder program is a 5 on Great Schools.

Lewis, with more than 50% Hispanic, is a 4 on Great Schools. Just one point behind Edison, despite not having a feeder program and having 1/3 of the student population in ELL.

No one is talking about how horrible the teaching programs are at the schools with lower test results. They're only talking about the students. But here's the thing: sitting next to a student with a lower test score will not make your child score lower. The teachers are not teaching a different curriculum, and any student that needs assistance will get it after school or during advisory.

Maybe, just maybe, the schools aren't that far apart in their ability to teach students as folks here seem to think they are.

If your kid is surrounded by enough students who can’t follow a lesson, he or she will learn less and score lower. The teacher may be teaching the same subject, but a watered-down version of it, and the students who might benefit the most from additional help may never seek it out.

No one will be fooled by your “every school is equally good” rhetoric. The fact that FCPS leadership answers primarily to those perpetrating this nonsense is a clear sign of the race to the bottom under Michelle Reid and Karl Frisch.

You and your ilk have been pissed off at every superintendent for the last 20 years. Hard to take you seriously any more.

Now you’re just babbling. Predictable.