2030 Girls Lacrosse

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Not in all our mouths. Also an HG parent. No issue with the e-mail notification.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

[Anonymous]

Probably the parent of another midfielder whose likely going to see a decrease in playing time.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

But it ruined Coppermine 28 team.

Wouldn’t say ruined. Knocked them down for sure. They beat two top 10 teams to end the fall season. They have talent. Just not as much as they did.

They were #1 and now they’re #40. Ruined is the right word.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

But it ruined Coppermine 28 team.

Wouldn’t say ruined. Knocked them down for sure. They beat two top 10 teams to end the fall season. They have talent. Just not as much as they did.

They were #1 and now they’re #40. Ruined is the right word.

They’re #40 AFTER doing a very good job backfilling. MDU better hope to do that well finding diamonds in the rough from New Jersey.

[Anonymous]

I thought the DMV 2030 parents were ridiculous but add in the B-more parents, and this just became pure gold! Keep it up.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

[Anonymous]

The way things are shaking out, we might get more movement this tryout season than last season.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Guess you should be going to other tryouts then.

My DD is fine and she/we have no worries. Note that my prior message said “our girls,”not “my daughter.” But thanks though.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Did you need a knock at the door? And I thought the DMV parents were entitled! There is no loyalty in club lacrosse, don't be the last one to figure that out.

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Anonymous wrote:MDU not blowing up, lost 1 player right now, I’d expect 2-3 more gone at end of summer but I expect them to pick up a few too.

I think the one that left already joined a local team.

Don't think mdu can replace the players leaving with equivalent talent. But if they can keep down to just a couple players leaving, they should be alright.

There’s nowhere to get anywhere near the equivalent talent for the girls they’re losing. They had a hell of a run keeping those top girls together for so long.

I’ve seen this at club level and HS level, sometimes adding or losing talent doesn’t translate to more success or more goals. As example, HG not going to score X more goals per game adding a great goal scorer, the production will just come from less other people.

Others will step up in the absence of others, same with injuries hitting a team

Club and high school are different enough that I’ll focus on club, where rosters can stay relatively stable for years. In that setting, the impact of each additional strong player depends on how much talent a club team already has. Adding top players to an already excellent club team usually yields only modest gains because their skills overlap with existing players. Losing those same players, however, can cause a much sharper decline for the team they leave, because each one represented a meaningful share of its overall ability and leaves gaps that are harder to replace. If there is no clear path to replacing that talent, other players often decide to leave as well. Once the collapse begins, it rarely stops, and there are few or no recent examples of a strong MS team losing its best players and still competing at a similar level in HS.

I have an older daughter as well and I recall this playing out with Coppermine when she was in MS. Up through 8th grade they were one of the top teams, and then lost a bunch of top players before high school. They actually did a decent job backfilling with good players, including a very good player from NJ who will probably be a T100. Anyway, they are now ranked 40.

Best player from that 28 Coppermine team went to HG. Sounds like history is repeating itself, rough for the girls further down on the depth chart.

Best two players really, and it didn’t help HG.

My DD plays for HG. Agree wholeheartedly. But now our girls have a higher level of anxiety and learning about this new player by way of email left a bitter taste in all of our mouths.

Wouldn’t email be the best way to communicate? Why would that make you bitter?

It’s the club world, replacing good with great, that’s how you stay at top and let’s be honest, HG 2030 has never lived up to the clubs reputation. They typically are top 5 nationally in every grad year, now they are on their way.

Is HG equal playing time in HS?

[Anonymous]

It’s not equal in MS.

[Anonymous]

There’s no such thing as equal playing time, but most clubs will make sure each kid plays 50% of the game for recruiting.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no such thing as equal playing time, but most clubs will make sure each kid plays 50% of the game for recruiting.

Capital does close to 50% most other top clubs will make sure that everyone plays in each half of every game, but not necessarily equal time.

[Anonymous]

I think 50% playtime only applies to showcase tournaments. Championship tournaments they still play to win.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the DMV 2030 parents were ridiculous but add in the B-more parents, and this just became pure gold! Keep it up.

Pretty sure one of the main HG parents complaining is actually from the DMV... Known complainer.