Plane crash DCA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There needs to be deep look into qualifications of pilots. How is it that a pilot with only 450 hours flying and a couple yrs out of flight school gets tasked with flying around high profile government officials and is flying around DC air? This isn’t even enough experience to be hired as a commercial pilot.
Major airlines require 1500 hrs

No. There doesn’t. It’s the best training in the world for pilots. Pilots are still, however, human.

500 hours is not a rookie. Training and check flights are an ongoing process throughout careers. Every time you come back to flying after having a non flying job or from a professional school or change planes, you go through requal. And what she was doing is gaining hours which is also part of the regular training. The military is ALWAYS training. That’s literally their everyday job.

450 hrs is about 2 yrs out of flight school. That isn’t exactly highly experienced

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.

That is ridiculous. There were multiple planes in the area and withing sight. It was completely foreseeable that the BH's pilots could get confused.

I have now heard it all -- that the BH pilots would ahve been "offended" if the ATC had said "do you see the CRJ at 11 oclock" versus the ones elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

The helicopter never had clearance to fly under the plane. They were told to go behind it. They aren't going to clear a helicopter to fly under a plane at low altitudes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There needs to be deep look into qualifications of pilots. How is it that a pilot with only 450 hours flying and a couple yrs out of flight school gets tasked with flying around high profile government officials and is flying around DC air? This isn’t even enough experience to be hired as a commercial pilot.
Major airlines require 1500 hrs

No. There doesn’t. It’s the best training in the world for pilots. Pilots are still, however, human.

500 hours is not a rookie. Training and check flights are an ongoing process throughout careers. Every time you come back to flying after having a non flying job or from a professional school or change planes, you go through requal. And what she was doing is gaining hours which is also part of the regular training. The military is ALWAYS training. That’s literally their everyday job.

450 hrs is about 2 yrs out of flight school. That isn’t exactly highly experienced

Pilots get sent to war right out of flight school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There needs to be deep look into qualifications of pilots. How is it that a pilot with only 450 hours flying and a couple yrs out of flight school gets tasked with flying around high profile government officials and is flying around DC air? This isn’t even enough experience to be hired as a commercial pilot.
Major airlines require 1500 hrs

No. There doesn’t. It’s the best training in the world for pilots. Pilots are still, however, human.

500 hours is not a rookie. Training and check flights are an ongoing process throughout careers. Every time you come back to flying after having a non flying job or from a professional school or change planes, you go through requal. And what she was doing is gaining hours which is also part of the regular training. The military is ALWAYS training. That’s literally their everyday job.

450 hrs is about 2 yrs out of flight school. That isn’t exactly highly experienced

Pilots get sent to war right out of flight school

True, but we don’t have a choice then. Pilots getting assigned VIP transportation in DC and flying special mission here in this air space should be the most experienced, not right from flight school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.

Agree, not casting any blame, but appears the helo crew was quick to respond both times along the lines of "yeah yeah we got it, visual sep pls, thank you".

Some kind of a malfunction, maybe the altimeter will likely be the proximal cause.
We need to invest in finding ways to fail safely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.

That is ridiculous. There were multiple planes in the area and withing sight. It was completely foreseeable that the BH's pilots could get confused.

I have now heard it all -- that the BH pilots would ahve been "offended" if the ATC had said "do you see the CRJ at 11 oclock" versus the ones elsewhere.

ATC did provide specific location coordinates, and BH confirmed they had CRJ in sight.

[Anonymous]

It really boils down to -

1. Do you believe the BH soldiers could have somehow missed the CRJ in it’s path?

OR

2. Do you believe the BH soldiers DID see the CRJ and for whatever reason did not avoid hitting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It really boils down to -

1. Do you believe the BH soldiers could have somehow missed the CRJ in it’s path?

OR

2. Do you believe the BH soldiers DID see the CRJ and for whatever reason did not avoid hitting it.

How can people be this stupid?

You obviously have no idea how hard it would be to intentionally ram into a moving jet plane in the dark that is moving at 200 mph. And the logic doesn’t even make sense. If they wanted to go out with a bang then they likely would have just flown right into the control tower or runway rather than attempting to thread the needle with a mid air collision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

+1. Anyone arguing a second ATC wasn't a factor is a liar and their motives need to be questioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

+1. Anyone arguing a second ATC wasn't a factor is a liar and their motives need to be questioned.

The helicopter was on visual separation. That means the pilot of the Helicopter was responsible for avoiding aircraft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.

That is ridiculous. There were multiple planes in the area and withing sight. It was completely foreseeable that the BH's pilots could get confused.

I have now heard it all -- that the BH pilots would ahve been "offended" if the ATC had said "do you see the CRJ at 11 oclock" versus the ones elsewhere.

ATC did provide specific location coordinates, and BH confirmed they had CRJ in sight.

Can you explain where you found this info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.

That is ridiculous. There were multiple planes in the area and withing sight. It was completely foreseeable that the BH's pilots could get confused.

I have now heard it all -- that the BH pilots would ahve been "offended" if the ATC had said "do you see the CRJ at 11 oclock" versus the ones elsewhere.

ATC did provide specific location coordinates, and BH confirmed they had CRJ in sight.

Can you explain where you found this info?

DP here. Literally any copy of the ATC comms. All over YouTube.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe the second ATC who left early (because of staff shortages) would have been more specific re where the plane was. Some pilots say absolutely should be been more specific in that air space. Anyone know what is actually required?

How much more specific could they have been? I’m sure the helicopter team would’ve been offended by being talked down to as if they didn’t know what they were doing. That happens all the time across all career paths. Additional instruction is taken as an insult to your abilities.

That is ridiculous. There were multiple planes in the area and withing sight. It was completely foreseeable that the BH's pilots could get confused.

I have now heard it all -- that the BH pilots would ahve been "offended" if the ATC had said "do you see the CRJ at 11 oclock" versus the ones elsewhere.

ATC did provide specific location coordinates, and BH confirmed they had CRJ in sight.

Can you explain where you found this info?

I am sure you have seen this by now -

"Traffic just south of the Woodrow Bridge, a CRJ, it's 1,200 feet setting up for Runway 33."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm starting to think most of the fault lies with FAA approving the helicopter flight path. Only 100 feet of vertical clearance with a landing plane is insane (and this is with everyone following directions exactly). And I didn't realize until I watched an expert video just how many blind spots there are on the BH and the fact that helicopters fly slightly tilted down, so that inhibits pilots ability to see upwards. This was really a disaster waiting to happen.

That’s what happens when you force the head of FAA to resign, tell ATCs via email they should resign, and fire the safety advisory board.

Wow, Trump is really winning. So senile.