Public Trump Impeachment Hearing Mega Thread

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Anonymous wrote:Quite the contrary. Most all "facts" have been disputed.

You are correct. Almost every fact introduced has been disputed.

Of course, the basis of those disputes are utter garbage, comprising as they do a mix of conspiracy theories, whatabouts, diversions, hysterical ranting, and outright lies - but yes, they have technically been disputed.

Let’s be realistic. The timing was because of the devastating report out last night.

The report that said the FBI investigation was properly started and there was no spying on the Trump campaign? Ya, devastating.

Read the report. If you can't do that, read appendix A.

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

No matter how much you downplay it, it's still an abuse of the Presidency.

The problem for your team is that there is no standard there. It's a political point, one which can't really be won without removal. Voters voted for Trump once. They will just see the statements, which are consistent with things he said in the 2016 campaign about Hillary's emails, as Trump being Trump. It also makes the Biden family seem kind of scummy.

Again, its not the Trump voters who will be swayed. It's the Independents who have swung 10+ in support of Impeachment since October.

Wrong again. Support for impeachment has been stable since October according to the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/03/americans-are-split-impeachment-just-like-they-were-before-public-hearings/

As Hillary learned, it doesn't really matter if Democrats rabidly hate Trump. He can lose New York and California by 80 points. But Trump is up big in polls in Wisconsin and other battlegrounds.

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Anonymous wrote:Wrong again. Support for impeachment has been stable since October according to the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/03/americans-are-split-impeachment-just-like-they-were-before-public-hearings/

As Hillary learned, it doesn't really matter if Democrats rabidly hate Trump. He can lose New York and California by 80 points. But Trump is up big in polls in Wisconsin and other battlegrounds.

analysis of multiple polls:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

In mid-Sept only 34% of Inds across polls supported Impeachment, as of Monday ~44% do.

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Is impeachment helping Trump?

Or is Biden just a lousy campaigner?

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

That is bullshit. He was responding directly to the question of what it was that he wanted Zelensky to do in the phone call, and he responded that Ukraine should investigate the Bidens and then added that China also should investigate the Bidens. So this was not the same as his campaign rally call for illegal interference from Russia, this was in response to a direct question from a reporter about what it was that he expected of Zelensky. And this is 100% reinforced by other statements he has made, that Giuliani has made, that Mulvaney has made, that Sondland has made, that Volker has made, and that the patriotic bureaucratic witnesses heard.

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The main reason he has to be impeached is that he and his criminal conspirators are still doing the bribery/extortion/abuse of power against Ukraine and they are still doing the obstruction of Congress/justice.

Giuliani's recent trip and Trump's defense of it show that they will never stop abusing the power of the President for Trump's personal benefit, or any of his other self-dealing and abuse of power crimes, as long as Trump is in office.

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

That is bullshit. He was responding directly to the question of what it was that he wanted Zelensky to do in the phone call, and he responded that Ukraine should investigate the Bidens and then added that China also should investigate the Bidens. So this was not the same as his campaign rally call for illegal interference from Russia, this was in response to a direct question from a reporter about what it was that he expected of Zelensky. And this is 100% reinforced by other statements he has made, that Giuliani has made, that Mulvaney has made, that Sondland has made, that Volker has made, and that the patriotic bureaucratic witnesses heard.

By saying "what it was he expected of Zelensky" you're claiming that Trump said he expected to Zelensky to launch a probe of Biden in exchange for getting aid. That is absolutely not what Trump said, and I think you know it. He said, and he continues to say, that he thinks Ukraine and China should investigate Hunter Biden because he thinks he engaged in corrupt behavior. If the person Obama were trying to leverage foreign governments into investigating were a popular squeaky clean figure like Obama then I agree voters would probably care. But Hunter Biden is a scumbag and Democrats know that they need to treat lightly.

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

No matter how much you downplay it, it's still an abuse of the Presidency.

The problem for your team is that there is no standard there. It's a political point, one which can't really be won without removal. Voters voted for Trump once. They will just see the statements, which are consistent with things he said in the 2016 campaign about Hillary's emails, as Trump being Trump. It also makes the Biden family seem kind of scummy.

Ok, then stop saying Democrats have been calling for Trump's impeachment since he was elected. That's just Democrats being Democrats!

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Anonymous wrote:The main reason he has to be impeached is that he and his criminal conspirators are still doing the bribery/extortion/abuse of power against Ukraine and they are still doing the obstruction of Congress/justice.

Giuliani's recent trip and Trump's defense of it show that they will never stop abusing the power of the President for Trump's personal benefit, or any of his other self-dealing and abuse of power crimes, as long as Trump is in office.

When he's acquitted, what will you say?

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

No matter how much you downplay it, it's still an abuse of the Presidency.

The problem for your team is that there is no standard there. It's a political point, one which can't really be won without removal. Voters voted for Trump once. They will just see the statements, which are consistent with things he said in the 2016 campaign about Hillary's emails, as Trump being Trump. It also makes the Biden family seem kind of scummy.

Ok, then stop saying Democrats have been calling for Trump's impeachment since he was elected. That's just Democrats being Democrats!

They literally have been looking for a reason since January 2017.

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

No matter how much you downplay it, it's still an abuse of the Presidency.

The problem for your team is that there is no standard there. It's a political point, one which can't really be won without removal. Voters voted for Trump once. They will just see the statements, which are consistent with things he said in the 2016 campaign about Hillary's emails, as Trump being Trump. It also makes the Biden family seem kind of scummy.

Ok, then stop saying Democrats have been calling for Trump's impeachment since he was elected. That's just Democrats being Democrats!

They literally have been looking for a reason since January 2017.

Nope, just Democrats being Democrats!

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

That is bullshit. He was responding directly to the question of what it was that he wanted Zelensky to do in the phone call, and he responded that Ukraine should investigate the Bidens and then added that China also should investigate the Bidens. So this was not the same as his campaign rally call for illegal interference from Russia, this was in response to a direct question from a reporter about what it was that he expected of Zelensky. And this is 100% reinforced by other statements he has made, that Giuliani has made, that Mulvaney has made, that Sondland has made, that Volker has made, and that the patriotic bureaucratic witnesses heard.

By saying "what it was he expected of Zelensky" you're claiming that Trump said he expected to Zelensky to launch a probe of Biden in exchange for getting aid. That is absolutely not what Trump said, and I think you know it. He said, and he continues to say, that he thinks Ukraine and China should investigate Hunter Biden because he thinks he engaged in corrupt behavior. If the person Obama were trying to leverage foreign governments into investigating were a popular squeaky clean figure like Obama then I agree voters would probably care. But Hunter Biden is a scumbag and Democrats know that they need to treat lightly.

DP. Why does he only care about Hunter Biden's allegedly corrupt behavior? And why does he care about it now? He provided aid to Ukraine to other times during his presidency, after Hunter Biden existed and after Burisma existed.

Why now?

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Democrats were ready to impeach before he was elected

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats were ready to impeach before he was elected

Nope, they were just trolling. Looks like you fell for it. Sad, but funny, too! Maybe now you'll learn how to distinguish nuance.

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Anonymous wrote:So they couldn't come up with real charges like bribery, extortion, robbery etc..m so they came up with 2 subjective fake charges, kangaroo court indeed hagaha

The articles of impeachment against Nixon were obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress.

Would you have wanted Nixon to resign in the face of that, in today's climate?

Nixon actually did those things. There were tapes, and bipartisan support for impeachment (and he was not even impeached because the facts were so clear). Here, there is innuendo and suggestion. You can read the evidence 2 ways - that's not similar to Nixon at all.

There is direct evidence, not the least of which is in Trump's words on twitter and to the press. The innuendo and suggestion is coming from the Republicans -- Ukrainian "interference" based on a couple news articles and an op-ed; Nunes being swept up in call records because he was conversing with investigation targets and somehow that's a Democrat surveillance state issue; other bullshit about 2016 and the Deep State; etc.

The reason there isn't "bipartisan support" is because most of the congressional GOP has completely given up on the conservative ideals they used to defend. Rule of Law, National Security, the Constitution, the Impeachment process, and so on. I really never thought I would see the day when Democrats are explaining to Rs how to be conservatives ffs.

What statements to the press? I guess we're not talking about quid pro quo or bribery anymore. You mean his stupid joke about Russia releasing the emails they hacked? The Mueller report didn't even give that and his other statements any credence.

By the way, your message contains a conspiracy about Nunes and his call records: "because he was conversing with investigation targets" What is your evidence for the quoted statement?

Trump stated multiple times, even in the last couple days, that Ukraine should really investigate the Bidens, and now has said that China should do the same. He has said N O T H I N G about any other element of corruption in those or any countries. If nothing else is clear its that he doesn't care about corruption, he cares about investigating the Bidens. Actually scratch that, the evidence and testimony makes clear that he didn't even care about about an actual investigation, just the appearance of one.

Call records showed Nunes calls with Lev Parnas, and Rudy Giuliani, people of interest in the impeachment inquiry. They didn't subpoena Nunes' calls, but what do you know, he happened to have called Parnas and Giuliani multiple times at length.

The public statements about China/Ukraine investigating Biden is really the same as the public statement that Russia should release Hillary's email. Even the Washington Post says so: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-publicly-calls-on-china-to-investigate-bidens/2019/10/03/2ae94f6a-e5f2-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html Hunter Biden is a clear liability to Biden and basically a scumbag. Not sure he's the best mantle for the impeachment proceedings.

No matter how much you downplay it, it's still an abuse of the Presidency.

The problem for your team is that there is no standard there. It's a political point, one which can't really be won without removal. Voters voted for Trump once. They will just see the statements, which are consistent with things he said in the 2016 campaign about Hillary's emails, as Trump being Trump. It also makes the Biden family seem kind of scummy.

Ok, then stop saying Democrats have been calling for Trump's impeachment since he was elected. That's just Democrats being Democrats!

They literally have been looking for a reason since January 2017.

Nope, just Democrats being Democrats!

Except I distinctly remember that Democrats made all of these points against Trump in 2016. He said mean things about judges and Hillary Clinton and he was unfit to be president. Whereas Trump did not hide that he had a lousy temperament, Democrats on the whole (AOC and the squad notwithstanding) tried their best not to mention impeachment during the 2018 midterms. So voters knew what they were getting into with Trump but not with House Democrats.