ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:It's almost as if switching to "school year" didn't solve all the problems. DCUM seems to want to shame August and September kids (and possibly those born in Q4) into playing up with their grade, depending on the school cut-off for their district.

Being "unrecruitable" seems to be worse then being a "trapped player", so tell me why this is a good change.

Dont understand the logic in your comment? Really isnt a prefect solution. I dont see how a kid is not recruitable, what I think we should all realize that not all kids are recruitable.

Theres a limited number of college roster spots. Top teams can choose from 100s maybe 1000s of potential players. Nobody is going prioritize the player playing down a grade. Maybe some division 3 college will take them but whats the difference you could donate your kids way into expensive private schools and get the same thing.

So if you kid is playing up but is a trap player, and kid is good, wouldn't they keep in mind for following recruiting year? I'm just trying grasp what all of this is about. The more I read, the less I am understanding the arguments on both sides.

Players playing up are generally favored over players their same age.

Players playing down are generally looked down on compared to players their same age.

Its this simple.

Players playing down would be playing with correct age group so how would they be looked down upon? Trapped players have no choice, but at the same time they will be earning that right to play up moving forward.

Yes, a college recruiter only cares about what year players will GRADUATE. They will group all players from that graduating year into a group and pick the best ones. If your kid is playing down theres no way to quantify how good they are compared to all the rest of the players graduating that year.

So college coaches want grad year? Hmm… I wonder who ECNL target audience is?…

Exactly which is why people are pushing for SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule not letting Aug-Nov players play down a grade. All players on the field will be the same grade in school.

Lol no one but you is pushing for grade alignment for Aug kids but you. Literally everyone else is fine with 12 month cut off with the option to play up.

Its just you commenting against it.

Everyone else sees the value.

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Anonymous wrote:It's almost as if switching to "school year" didn't solve all the problems. DCUM seems to want to shame August and September kids (and possibly those born in Q4) into playing up with their grade, depending on the school cut-off for their district.

Being "unrecruitable" seems to be worse then being a "trapped player", so tell me why this is a good change.

Dont understand the logic in your comment? Really isnt a prefect solution. I dont see how a kid is not recruitable, what I think we should all realize that not all kids are recruitable.

Theres a limited number of college roster spots. Top teams can choose from 100s maybe 1000s of potential players. Nobody is going prioritize the player playing down a grade. Maybe some division 3 college will take them but whats the difference you could donate your kids way into expensive private schools and get the same thing.

So if you kid is playing up but is a trap player, and kid is good, wouldn't they keep in mind for following recruiting year? I'm just trying grasp what all of this is about. The more I read, the less I am understanding the arguments on both sides.

Players playing up are generally favored over players their same age.

Players playing down are generally looked down on compared to players their same age.

Its this simple.

Players playing down would be playing with correct age group so how would they be looked down upon? Trapped players have no choice, but at the same time they will be earning that right to play up moving forward.

Yes, a college recruiter only cares about what year players will GRADUATE. They will group all players from that graduating year into a group and pick the best ones. If your kid is playing down theres no way to quantify how good they are compared to all the rest of the players graduating that year.

So college coaches want grad year? Hmm… I wonder who ECNL target audience is?…

Exactly which is why people are pushing for SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule not letting Aug-Nov players play down a grade. All players on the field will be the same grade in school.

Nobody other than one cra-cra that hates August kids want GY. SY will work better than BY even if one sourpuss can't stop crying.

The best part is they hate GY but are fighting for it at the same time… and they don’t even realize it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's look at an edge case example and discuss. Assume ECNL clubs.

State A has an August 1 kindergarten start cutoff

State B has a December 31 kindergarten start cutoff.

What should a girl with a December 30th 2015 birth date do in State B?
1- play u11 next season, within the 12 month window, would be playing with a mix of 6th (Aug-dec 2015) and 5th(Jan-July 2016) graders.
2- be forced to play up u12 next season where she may have to play against kids in State A who could be born August 2014.

Play on the u12 B team if they cant make the u12 A team.

Ask any parent of a current Nov or Dec kid, they would advise playing on age almost every time. And they would only be allowed to play up if they can make the top team anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:It's almost as if switching to "school year" didn't solve all the problems. DCUM seems to want to shame August and September kids (and possibly those born in Q4) into playing up with their grade, depending on the school cut-off for their district.

Being "unrecruitable" seems to be worse then being a "trapped player", so tell me why this is a good change.

Dont understand the logic in your comment? Really isnt a prefect solution. I dont see how a kid is not recruitable, what I think we should all realize that not all kids are recruitable.

Theres a limited number of college roster spots. Top teams can choose from 100s maybe 1000s of potential players. Nobody is going prioritize the player playing down a grade. Maybe some division 3 college will take them but whats the difference you could donate your kids way into expensive private schools and get the same thing.

So if you kid is playing up but is a trap player, and kid is good, wouldn't they keep in mind for following recruiting year? I'm just trying grasp what all of this is about. The more I read, the less I am understanding the arguments on both sides.

Players playing up are generally favored over players their same age.

Players playing down are generally looked down on compared to players their same age.

Its this simple.

Players playing down would be playing with correct age group so how would they be looked down upon? Trapped players have no choice, but at the same time they will be earning that right to play up moving forward.

Yes, a college recruiter only cares about what year players will GRADUATE. They will group all players from that graduating year into a group and pick the best ones. If your kid is playing down theres no way to quantify how good they are compared to all the rest of the players graduating that year.

So college coaches want grad year? Hmm… I wonder who ECNL target audience is?…

Exactly which is why people are pushing for SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule not letting Aug-Nov players play down a grade. All players on the field will be the same grade in school.

Lol no one but you is pushing for grade alignment for Aug kids but you. Literally everyone else is fine with 12 month cut off with the option to play up.

Yup, fine with 12 month cut off and allowed to play up. And those are the rules.

Trying to shame someone for following the actual rules would make you a loser. The teams I am familiar with would kick your girl off the team if you approached coaches with such nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:It's almost as if switching to "school year" didn't solve all the problems. DCUM seems to want to shame August and September kids (and possibly those born in Q4) into playing up with their grade, depending on the school cut-off for their district.

Being "unrecruitable" seems to be worse then being a "trapped player", so tell me why this is a good change.

Dont understand the logic in your comment? Really isnt a prefect solution. I dont see how a kid is not recruitable, what I think we should all realize that not all kids are recruitable.

Theres a limited number of college roster spots. Top teams can choose from 100s maybe 1000s of potential players. Nobody is going prioritize the player playing down a grade. Maybe some division 3 college will take them but whats the difference you could donate your kids way into expensive private schools and get the same thing.

So if you kid is playing up but is a trap player, and kid is good, wouldn't they keep in mind for following recruiting year? I'm just trying grasp what all of this is about. The more I read, the less I am understanding the arguments on both sides.

Players playing up are generally favored over players their same age.

Players playing down are generally looked down on compared to players their same age.

Its this simple.

Players playing down would be playing with correct age group so how would they be looked down upon? Trapped players have no choice, but at the same time they will be earning that right to play up moving forward.

Yes, a college recruiter only cares about what year players will GRADUATE. They will group all players from that graduating year into a group and pick the best ones. If your kid is playing down theres no way to quantify how good they are compared to all the rest of the players graduating that year.

So college coaches want grad year? Hmm… I wonder who ECNL target audience is?…

Exactly which is why people are pushing for SY 8/1-7/31 with a rule not letting Aug-Nov players play down a grade. All players on the field will be the same grade in school.

Lol no one but you is pushing for grade alignment for Aug kids but you. Literally everyone else is fine with 12 month cut off with the option to play up.

Its just you commenting against it.

Everyone else sees the value.

My kid would benefit as a Dec player who’s in the “correct” grade based off my local schools. To have all the girls who started early forced up to the older age group. That being said I do not see the value in forcing players up. Sounds stupid to me.

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Doesn't forcing play up mean certain states get an advantage over others? I don't see how that could happen as an official rule.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't forcing play up mean certain states get an advantage over others? I don't see how that could happen as an official rule.

It won’t. Unless they go full grad year it won’t even be a thought. Unless kids want to play up.

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Reading though all this I finally understand whats being discussed. I think theres a very good chance that Leagues and clubs provide some type of guidance that younger players should play with their grade in school team. It just makes sense to gently push players into a grade in school grouping so clubs are ready when college recruiting starts. Also how would you handle a freshman in HS that's playing on an 8th grade team but also playing in HS? Its the inverse of the current BY trapped players when they're in 8th grade. But it doesnt really matter because coaches ie clubs will choose rosters not parents. Thet might say that they're going to give Aug birthdays a choice to play up or down. But the reality will be you have the choice to play on your grade ECNL or ECRL team or not play on your grade ECNL or ECRL team.

Im sure some parents will search out playing down but nobody is going to want to cater to it. if the player was good enough for the grade down ECNL team they should definitely be able to play on their own grades ECRL or ECNL team.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't forcing play up mean certain states get an advantage over others? I don't see how that could happen as an official rule.

Yes and so many clubs have kids from multiple states so they couldn't implement grade in any fair way. Explains why they went with a straight 12 month fiscal year.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading though all this I finally understand whats being discussed. I think theres a very good chance that Leagues and clubs provide some type of guidance that younger players should play with their grade in school team. It just makes sense to gently push players into a grade in school grouping so clubs are ready when college recruiting starts. Also how would you handle a freshman in HS that's playing on an 8th grade team but also playing in HS? Its the inverse of the current BY trapped players when they're in 8th grade. But it doesnt really matter because coaches ie clubs will choose rosters not parents. Thet might say that they're going to give Aug birthdays a choice to play up or down. But the reality will be you have the choice to play on your grade ECNL or ECRL team or not play on your grade ECNL or ECRL team.

Im sure some parents will search out playing down but nobody is going to want to cater to it. if the player was good enough for the grade down ECNL team they should definitely be able to play on their own grades ECRL or ECNL team.

Playing down isn't allowed in ECNL. Play on age or up.

[Anonymous]

Yup… I asked her about winter tryouts and whether or not we have anyone coming out, but she was tight lipped and said she was excited about tryouts, and that GA might be making changes for spring season, but it was an administration discussion and not for me.

A text I just got from my team manager at my daughter’s GA club. My daughters club coach is GA director and US youth national team coach.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't forcing play up mean certain states get an advantage over others? I don't see how that could happen as an official rule.

No, oldest potenrial player will always be 8/1

School cutoff might make some a little earlier but not by much. Basically Every school on America starts somewhere between Aug 1st and mid Sept. The variance wouldn't matter for league games because everyone would have roughly the same local start date.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading though all this I finally understand whats being discussed. I think theres a very good chance that Leagues and clubs provide some type of guidance that younger players should play with their grade in school team. It just makes sense to gently push players into a grade in school grouping so clubs are ready when college recruiting starts. Also how would you handle a freshman in HS that's playing on an 8th grade team but also playing in HS? Its the inverse of the current BY trapped players when they're in 8th grade. But it doesnt really matter because coaches ie clubs will choose rosters not parents. Thet might say that they're going to give Aug birthdays a choice to play up or down. But the reality will be you have the choice to play on your grade ECNL or ECRL team or not play on your grade ECNL or ECRL team.

Im sure some parents will search out playing down but nobody is going to want to cater to it. if the player was good enough for the grade down ECNL team they should definitely be able to play on their own grades ECRL or ECNL team.

This last statement is definitely not true unless you only consider own grade’s ECRL. There is a massive difference in quality in one year.

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Our local usynt id camp roster was overwhelmingly Q1/Q2 with a few Q3 olders and then just a couple actual Q3/Q4 youngers.

I assume USYNT stays birth year so we will have two different versions of U15. One for club and one for ODP/USYNT.

That will be confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn't forcing play up mean certain states get an advantage over others? I don't see how that could happen as an official rule.

No, oldest potenrial player will always be 8/1

School cutoff might make some a little earlier but not by much. Basically Every school on America starts somewhere between Aug 1st and mid Sept. The variance wouldn't matter for league games because everyone would have roughly the same local start date.

You wrote no then explained, yes some states would have an advantage and others a disadvantage.