UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

The fact that the killing of an insurance CEO can be characterized as an assassination is an indictment of our failing society. You can agree with people who don’t find the killing problematic, or vehemently disagree and make a case that violence is never the answer, no matter the acts of the victim.

There just isn’t a good faith argument that profiteering on health, illegally denying care, and business people deciding the fate of others’ lives is a good system. That’s the pretzel I see. I can appreciate points on either side of the “this was terrible” and “this was understandable and inevitable” arguments, but not anything supportive of UHC, the industry, or Thompson personally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to make light of the situation, but will Adrian Grenier pay Luigi Mangione in the movie? If not, who and who will pay the CEO? Dave Coulier in a break out dramatic role while battling cancer.

Adrian is almost 50. Dave is 65. WAY too old for those roles.

My vote for Luigi is Finn Wolfhard. He'll be the right age when the movie comes out, and he's gotten dreamy as he's gotten older.

I think Jonah Hill could pull Brian Thompson. He's got the right look and did great in War Dogs and Wolf of Wall Street.

Dominic Sessa

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tim Walz was the murdered CEO’s personal friend.

oh wow

It’s not true. Pp made it up.

UHC is a Minnesota company, and politicians and CEOs are both roles that have large personal social networks.

It's rather expected that they'd be personal friends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to make light of the situation, but will Adrian Grenier pay Luigi Mangione in the movie? If not, who and who will pay the CEO? Dave Coulier in a break out dramatic role while battling cancer.

Adrian is almost 50. Dave is 65. WAY too old for those roles.

My vote for Luigi is Finn Wolfhard. He'll be the right age when the movie comes out, and he's gotten dreamy as he's gotten older.

I think Jonah Hill could pull Brian Thompson. He's got the right look and did great in War Dogs and Wolf of Wall Street.

The movie would be really boring.

I think it would come down entirely to who wrote it and who directed it -- this casting is decent but wouldn't matter if you didn't have a vision for the movie that was bigger than just the sequence of events.

The story is certainly ripe of adaptation but probably they'll just do a "ripped from the headlines" thing when they could do something interesting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

It's not weird to complain at all. It's not fair for patient going under anesthesia to not know if they're going to wake up with surprise multi--$1000 bills due.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to make light of the situation, but will Adrian Grenier pay Luigi Mangione in the movie? If not, who and who will pay the CEO? Dave Coulier in a break out dramatic role while battling cancer.

Adrian is almost 50. Dave is 65. WAY too old for those roles.

My vote for Luigi is Finn Wolfhard. He'll be the right age when the movie comes out, and he's gotten dreamy as he's gotten older.

I think Jonah Hill could pull Brian Thompson. He's got the right look and did great in War Dogs and Wolf of Wall Street.

Dominic Sessa

Dominic Sessa looks like an old British man. Pass.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

link?

Still, Mr. Martin said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a young man yearning for a normal lifestyle. “He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,” Mr. Martin said. “I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione.html?

Problem with NYT and most media is that it freely mixes facts, personal opinions, and hearsay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

link?

Still, Mr. Martin said, he and others in the community came to understand that the pain was no small matter to a young man yearning for a normal lifestyle. “He knew that dating and being physically intimate with his back condition wasn’t possible,” Mr. Martin said. “I remember him telling me that, and my heart just breaks.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione.html?

is Luigi gay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The manager of the commune where he lived in Hawaii said, effectively, that Luigi couldn’t have sex because of his back pain. So it turns out he WAS involuntarily celibate!

The dude was photographed hiking in Hawaii, walzing and biking around NYC, was able to stay super buff which means lifting heavy weights, and you want me to believe he couldn't have sex bc of back pain? in any position? Sure.

I’ve been a victim of multiple serious car accidents. I have had extreme pain for decades. Yet until recently, my body was beautiful. You can find ways to exercise around even (some) serious injuries and pain. But think about how the physiology of the male erection. Depending on his injury it’s entirely believable that he could exercise AND have impingement that interfered with sexual function

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the two big contributors here are going to turn out to be weed (I bet he already used a lot in his frat in college, then it got worse with the back pain, and I’m sure there was free flowing weed in his commune in Hawaii) and playing first person shooter games. Weed absolutely precipitates psychotic illness in kids this age (see here for example: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33617756/). And growing up playing a lot of shooter games (it said several places that he was into them and at one point his goal was to develop his own) inured him to real life repercussions of shooting someone.

Completely agree. Drugs and first person shooter games. Once he had surfing accident and subsequent brain damage, it made this 10x worse. And he tried other illicit drugs for chronic pain.

Give me a freakin break.

I guess you are not familiar with the s antic literature in that topic

There is a reason that our children have to grow up carrying out active shooter drills, and we did not.

Rewarding children (with points/prizes/levels) for killing people in realistic scenarios , is not good for their development. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not to make light of the situation, but will Adrian Grenier pay Luigi Mangione in the movie? If not, who and who will pay the CEO? Dave Coulier in a break out dramatic role while battling cancer.

Adrian is almost 50. Dave is 65. WAY too old for those roles.

My vote for Luigi is Finn Wolfhard. He'll be the right age when the movie comes out, and he's gotten dreamy as he's gotten older.

I think Jonah Hill could pull Brian Thompson. He's got the right look and did great in War Dogs and Wolf of Wall Street.

Dominic Sessa

You people seem scarily unable to separate reality from entertainment.

Why are you discussing this when a father was gunned down by a young person who is practically from our community? A young person with potential and opportunity who went tragically astray.

God help us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think people realize how many innocent people are killed by way of limiting access to affordable healthcare in this country by none other than Brian Thompson and those like him leading private health insurance companies.

This kid murdered Thompson in cold blood publicly and got caught.

That's the difference. If you saw even one insurance case of a family at their wits end trying to get a claim approved to help their loved one, I'm not sure how you would not feel that it's a kind of murder or your torture. Because these things are not put forth on a public forum enacted as a play for all to see, it's considered acceptable.

It's very much cold blooded murder however. Ask anyone who has worked a length of time in the healthcare industries.

I'm against the murder. That said, humans are illogical.

Planes rarely crash, and some won't fly. Cars crash all the time, and people drive them everywhere.

The flu kills a lot of people yet people rarely take precautions because deaths from the flu don't get caught on video and shared with the world. And they aren't dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

It's not weird to complain at all. It's not fair for patient going under anesthesia to not know if they're going to wake up with surprise multi--$1000 bills due.

Which is why the price should be fixed before going under. That's what the BCBS policy would have done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In case you are one of those who are morally confused:

Good guy: Daniel Penny
Bad Guy: Luigi Mangione

+1

There are lots of seriously twisted and perverted people out there. So much justification over an assassination. There are people comparing this to what the founding fathers did for political change and text pretzel logic to reach those conclusions.

I think there's a LOT of righteous anger in this country towards the insurance industry. Righteous.

Sure, some people try to game the system. Those individuals pale in comparison to how the insurance industry is gaming the system.

If you can't understand these simple facts, neither I nor anyone else can help you.

So far as the vast majority of people are concerned, the murder of a corrupt, crooked member of this perverted insurance scam industry was a *shrug* event.

You must work in the insurance industry if you can't appreciate the frustration and anger the average America feels.

I don’t work for the insurance industry and I have had claims denied by insurance companies. I understand there is a lot of frustration, but frustration does not make murder acceptable. I bet you yourself feel frustration about many things. I bet you feel frustrations over things like politics, but you’re not going to go out and assassinate a politician, a president or a CEO. Just because you’re frustrated does not mean murder is acceptable.

If you’re advocating for people assassinating people they’re frustrated with well then I can’t help you understand how wrong it is.

What Luigi did wasn’t heroic. In fact, he was a coward. He shot the man in the back. He didn’t even have the righteous indignation or guts to say something to his face.

I am telling you that people are frustrated and angry. Where did I state I am advocating for murder?

Please read what I stated again.

The industry needs to get overhauled with closer regulation. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover weight loss medication for cosmetic reasons. Sure, they shouldn't be required to cover every politicized and popular medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But denying and delaying medically critical covered procedures is immoral, unethical, and inexcusable. BC/BS trying to limit anesthesia in the middle of a complicated surgery is BEYOND reasonable denial. They were going for it. BC/BS was really going for it.

Discussions of the proposed BCBS policy have been insane. Anesthesiologists' lobbying firm deserves a huge bonus.

Obviously they weren't going to wake people up in the middle of the surgery. The idea was clearly to limit billing and reimbursement based on how long the procedure should have taken. Kind of like a mechanic billing you for labor hours based on the book times. If they opened you up and found another problem, then that could and would be added to the claim.

Yes, sometimes one case will take a little bit longer than another case, and you'll get paid the same for both, but that's pretty normal. This is basically how it works for other doctors.

This is a weird thing to complain about when people generally want to know how much a procedure will cost before going in.

+1

A big insurer backed off its plan to pay less for anesthesia. That’s bad.
https://www.vox.com/policy/390031/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-limits-insurance

I found the salary discrepancy in this article interesting. DCUM posters often claim DMV providers need to go concierge to make ends meet, to live in this area or pay off student loans. Doctors seem to be getting by in Paris and Berlin on way less.