FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”


Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.
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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”


Wow. No one was talking Langley. You need to find a way to stop hyper-focusing on it. It should tell you something about yourself.


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Funny, that when no one was talking about it, the PP decided she needed to insert it into the conversation again. Obsessive weirdo.
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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.



How do you propose we drop kids? Like everyone with last name P-Z doesn't get to go to high school? Fend for yourselves? Go into the trades?


More schools or schools with flexible spaces or have morning/afternoon schools (2 in 1).

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


Not a new solution in places where there is an increase beyond capacity that wont last decades. Other solutions exist that do not require building new buildings. Open the school to 7 days but kids still attend 5 days depending on schedule. Kinda like a college.
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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.


They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.


Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.


She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.


Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)


I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.


Look at a map and you'll see why Oak Hill is called Oak Hill (also the post office literally designates it as oak hill, that's what my address is frequently corrected to). It's nowhere near Herndon. We are physically closer to Oakton and Reston than we are to Herndon.


On the news it is often called, “The Herndon area of Fairfax County”.


Dp. It is part of the greater Herndon area. When I tell people where I live, I say Herndon. When I write my address, I write Herndon.

The post office recognizes us as Oak Hill, however. And we are not part of the town of Herndon, which I assume you know because you lived here? If I want to use the Herndon Community Center, I pay nonresident fees. And I do not use the Town of Herndon's trash services, because they will not service our area.

Sometimes we talk as if we are Herndon, and sometimes we do not. In reality life, I have never heard a neighbor refer to this area as Oak Hill, only Herndon. But in a discussion on boundaries, it makes sense to use the local term Oak Hill. Boundaries are divided by neighborhoods and there's a physical divide between the Oakhill part and the Town of Herndon.


The name of the post office is Oak Hill. The zip code pertains to the post office.These designations Xo not mean someone lives in a place called Oak Hill. The people in Reston serviced by the Herndon 20170 post office do not live in Herndon. They live in Reston.
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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.



How do you propose we drop kids? Like everyone with last name P-Z doesn't get to go to high school? Fend for yourselves? Go into the trades?


More schools or schools with flexible spaces or have morning/afternoon schools (2 in 1).

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Many school systems have done something like this on a temporary basis.



Dp. Could you explain how this works?


When I was in second grade--long before any of you were born--my school did shifts. I really don't remember how it worked, except, I think I went in the am. and another group in the p.m. and then mid year we switched. The teachers had to share the room. I wish I could remember more details.

I think this could work with high school if you eliminated lunch.


We had this in local high school. It even had two different graduation times.

My elementary school only had 3/4 of its population in the building at any given time. One quarter of the school was on break, then when that group returned to school, another quarter of the school closed entirely on break. In general, each neighborhood belonged to the same group, so kids in the same street had break at the same time.
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Please tell us more about your staggered school schedules and AM/PM shared classrooms. Maybe we could go back to teaching all grades in one classroom like the old days... back when Oak Hill was Herndon.
How about you go do it in another thread since this one is supposed to be for the Boundary Review Updates.
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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”


Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.


You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.
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Willow Springs, not Fairfax Villa. Look at the map:

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundarieswithHighSchoolBoundaries.pdf

However, expanding Centreville in the manner projected in the CIP would create enough capacity to send both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa to the renovated Centreville, when renovations are completed. That would allow Fairfax HS to serve only Fairfax city, relieve capacity at Woodson and others, eliminate attendance islands, and allow Willow Springs to attend the high school next door.

I know…here it comes…”the CIP is flying blind”…”the taxpayer should not fund a 3000 seat school”…”it’s not about Forestville to Herndon, I swear”….
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Anonymous wrote:Please tell us more about your staggered school schedules and AM/PM shared classrooms. Maybe we could go back to teaching all grades in one classroom like the old days... back when Oak Hill was Herndon.
How about you go do it in another thread since this one is supposed to be for the Boundary Review Updates.


Other people have discussed alternative boundary changes and alternatives to changes to boundaries. Go back through this thread. It is on topic.
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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”


Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.


You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.


DP. Jesus lady, you gotta touch grass. I’m legit worried about your Langley obsession. Those families aren’t out to get you.
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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.


They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.


Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.


She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.


Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)


I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.


Yeah, this is nothing new.

I don’t understand both comments. What does it mean that Herndon rebranded itself?
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Anonymous wrote:Willow Springs, not Fairfax Villa. Look at the map:

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundarieswithHighSchoolBoundaries.pdf

However, expanding Centreville in the manner projected in the CIP would create enough capacity to send both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa to the renovated Centreville, when renovations are completed. That would allow Fairfax HS to serve only Fairfax city, relieve capacity at Woodson and others, eliminate attendance islands, and allow Willow Springs to attend the high school next door.

I know…here it comes…”the CIP is flying blind”…”the taxpayer should not fund a 3000 seat school”…”it’s not about Forestville to Herndon, I swear”….


Wrong. Fairfax HS also serves Eagle View and parts of Powell and Greenbriar East, also in Fairfax County (not Fairfax City).

So if both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa were reassigned to a 3000-student Centreville, Fairfax HS would simultaneously continue to serve Fairfax County students and be significantly under-capacity, to the extent that it would no longer be eligible to remain in VHSL Class 6. If Fairfax City and FCPS had mutually agreed that they want to sever the decades-long relationship between Fairfax City and FCPS, then it might make sense to spend a gazillion dollars expanding Centreville to 3000, but otherwise it was a plan hatched when both Centreville and Chantilly were well over capacity and not expected (as now) to see reductions in enrollment.

Now it no longer make sense, and a scaled back-renovation of Centreville would be appropriate, but FCPS finds it incredibly difficult to modify plans. In the past, when the scale of the renovation has come up, most Centreville parents have expressed an aversion to a school that large.

Why you keep making this about Langley says more about you, and your resentments, than it does about Langley.
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Anonymous wrote:Willow Springs, not Fairfax Villa. Look at the map:

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundarieswithHighSchoolBoundaries.pdf

However, expanding Centreville in the manner projected in the CIP would create enough capacity to send both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa to the renovated Centreville, when renovations are completed. That would allow Fairfax HS to serve only Fairfax city, relieve capacity at Woodson and others, eliminate attendance islands, and allow Willow Springs to attend the high school next door.

I know…here it comes…”the CIP is flying blind”…”the taxpayer should not fund a 3000 seat school”…”it’s not about Forestville to Herndon, I swear”….


Wrong. Fairfax HS also serves Eagle View and parts of Powell and Greenbriar East, also in Fairfax County (not Fairfax City).

So if both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa were reassigned to a 3000-student Centreville, Fairfax HS would simultaneously continue to serve Fairfax County students and be significantly under-capacity, to the extent that it would no longer be eligible to remain in VHSL Class 6. If Fairfax City and FCPS had mutually agreed that they want to sever the decades-long relationship between Fairfax City and FCPS, then it might make sense to spend a gazillion dollars expanding Centreville to 3000, but otherwise it was a plan hatched when both Centreville and Chantilly were well over capacity and not expected (as now) to see reductions in enrollment.

Now it no longer make sense, and a scaled back-renovation of Centreville would be appropriate, but FCPS finds it incredibly difficult to modify plans. In the past, when the scale of the renovation has come up, most Centreville parents have expressed an aversion to a school that large.

Why you keep making this about Langley says more about you, and your resentments, than it does about Langley.


You are proving my point. Universal opposition anywhere to anything that might relate to planned capacity enhancements.

Tell me this: would you oppose sending Willow Springs to a renovated Centreville and then shifting Fairfax Villa entirely to Fairfax HS? What if that required the 3000 seat expansion? What if it could also relieve capacity at Robinson and Woodson?

Are these options an indication of “jealousy”? How?

When you oppose renovations and expansions that directly benefit 3 to 4 other pyramids because of your agenda in your “current” pyramid, people might think you are the problem.
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Anonymous wrote:Willow Springs, not Fairfax Villa. Look at the map:

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundarieswithHighSchoolBoundaries.pdf

However, expanding Centreville in the manner projected in the CIP would create enough capacity to send both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa to the renovated Centreville, when renovations are completed. That would allow Fairfax HS to serve only Fairfax city, relieve capacity at Woodson and others, eliminate attendance islands, and allow Willow Springs to attend the high school next door.

I know…here it comes…”the CIP is flying blind”…”the taxpayer should not fund a 3000 seat school”…”it’s not about Forestville to Herndon, I swear”….


Wrong. Fairfax HS also serves Eagle View and parts of Powell and Greenbriar East, also in Fairfax County (not Fairfax City).

So if both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa were reassigned to a 3000-student Centreville, Fairfax HS would simultaneously continue to serve Fairfax County students and be significantly under-capacity, to the extent that it would no longer be eligible to remain in VHSL Class 6. If Fairfax City and FCPS had mutually agreed that they want to sever the decades-long relationship between Fairfax City and FCPS, then it might make sense to spend a gazillion dollars expanding Centreville to 3000, but otherwise it was a plan hatched when both Centreville and Chantilly were well over capacity and not expected (as now) to see reductions in enrollment.

Now it no longer make sense, and a scaled back-renovation of Centreville would be appropriate, but FCPS finds it incredibly difficult to modify plans. In the past, when the scale of the renovation has come up, most Centreville parents have expressed an aversion to a school that large.

Why you keep making this about Langley says more about you, and your resentments, than it does about Langley.


Woodson kids would shift to Fairfax. It's not that complicated. But, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what they do if transfers for IB/AP are allowed. You never know. They could shift some town of Clifton boundaries and send more kids to Union Mill and Centreville, from the Robinson feeder elementary schools.
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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.


They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.


Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.


She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.


Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)


I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.


Yeah, this is nothing new.

I don’t understand both comments. What does it mean that Herndon rebranded itself?


I think it means that an area of Fairfax County, which was called “Herndon”, no longer wants to be associated with the Town of Herndon.
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