FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.

They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.

Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.

She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.

Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)

I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.

Yeah, this is nothing new.

I don’t understand both comments. What does it mean that Herndon rebranded itself?

I think it means that an area of Fairfax County, which was called “Herndon”, no longer wants to be associated with the Town of Herndon.

Before the "Oak Hill" designation was given, we had to go to Herndon to pick up mail--when the Chantilly post office was much, much closer. When people asked where I lived, and I told them Herndon, they would reply, "Oh, what a cute little town," and I would have to explain that I did not live in that "cute little town, but in an area between Her

For some reason, there is a poster on here who resents using an appropriate geographic area instead of "Herndon." I think this is likely the poster who, in the past, on an earlier thread, thought that all of 20171 should go to Herndon High, since they were "Herndon." This, of course, is unrealistic as there are way too many kids to go there and Herndon High is not nearly the closest school to most of the area.

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Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

Does this poster really believe that only Langley people think it would be a good idea to eliminate IB?

I'm not a Langley person or a Herndon person.
My guess is that the PP here is a South Lakes person who either lives in Herndon boundary or just does not want IB eliminated from South Lakes and/or understands that this would take a chunk of more affluent kids from South Lakes.

Eliminating IB would be an easy fix for high school boundaries. I would like that because it would eliminate decisions that might affect my high school boundary as a domino.

It particularly might help Lewis and Herndon FARMS percentage.

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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.

They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.

Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.

She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.

Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)

I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.

Yeah, this is nothing new.

I don’t understand both comments. What does it mean that Herndon rebranded itself?

It means a part of the Herndon area no longer calls itself Herndon.

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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.

They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.

Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.

She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.

Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)

I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.

Yeah, this is nothing new.

I don’t understand both comments. What does it mean that Herndon rebranded itself?

I think it means that an area of Fairfax County, which was called “Herndon”, no longer wants to be associated with the Town of Herndon.

TOH People don’t generally have issue with. It is the pockets of lower income ans immigrants from SK of the border in Fairfax Co that people want to disassociate from.

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Anonymous wrote:The high schools should be capped at 2000. They are bigger than that already. They are unmanageable as it is.

They would have to build four more 2000-student high schools for that to happen. But of course we've seen they are incapable of building even more one more additional high school in western Fairfax.

Certain groups have blocked the western high school construction for years because they knew it would trigger a boundary adjustment and they didn't want to change schools. Now the whole county is getting stuck with the boundary adjustment and no new school to show for it.

Which groups are you talking about? I live in the area and I've never heard anyone discourage it.

She’s the one who spends day after day going after Langley.

Well, the area of the property sold to the Saudis should have no effect on Langley. It would pull from the Oak Hill area and not Herndon. It would pull from Westfield, Chantilly, Oakton and South Lakes. (Maybe, it was the South Lakes PTA that objected......?)

I love how a certain part of Herndon has rebranded itself.

Yeah, this is nothing new.

I don’t understand both comments. What does it mean that Herndon rebranded itself?

I think it means that an area of Fairfax County, which was called “Herndon”, no longer wants to be associated with the Town of Herndon.

TOH People don’t generally have issue with. It is the pockets of lower income ans immigrants from SK of the border in Fairfax Co that people want to disassociate from.

Maybe, the people in 20171 just want to give people an answer that explains where they live---instead of saying "close to Fair Oaks Hospital; or close to the Air and Space Museum; or close to Chantilly High School; or close to Frying Pan Park; etc,"

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Anonymous wrote:Willow Springs, not Fairfax Villa. Look at the map:

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/SY2024-25ElementarySchoolBoundarieswithHighSchoolBoundaries.pdf

However, expanding Centreville in the manner projected in the CIP would create enough capacity to send both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa to the renovated Centreville, when renovations are completed. That would allow Fairfax HS to serve only Fairfax city, relieve capacity at Woodson and others, eliminate attendance islands, and allow Willow Springs to attend the high school next door.

I know…here it comes…”the CIP is flying blind”…”the taxpayer should not fund a 3000 seat school”…”it’s not about Forestville to Herndon, I swear”….

Wrong. Fairfax HS also serves Eagle View and parts of Powell and Greenbriar East, also in Fairfax County (not Fairfax City).

So if both Willow Springs and Fairfax Villa were reassigned to a 3000-student Centreville, Fairfax HS would simultaneously continue to serve Fairfax County students and be significantly under-capacity, to the extent that it would no longer be eligible to remain in VHSL Class 6. If Fairfax City and FCPS had mutually agreed that they want to sever the decades-long relationship between Fairfax City and FCPS, then it might make sense to spend a gazillion dollars expanding Centreville to 3000, but otherwise it was a plan hatched when both Centreville and Chantilly were well over capacity and not expected (as now) to see reductions in enrollment.

Now it no longer make sense, and a scaled back-renovation of Centreville would be appropriate, but FCPS finds it incredibly difficult to modify plans. In the past, when the scale of the renovation has come up, most Centreville parents have expressed an aversion to a school that large.

Why you keep making this about Langley says more about you, and your resentments, than it does about Langley.

You are proving my point. Universal opposition anywhere to anything that might relate to planned capacity enhancements.

Tell me this: would you oppose sending Willow Springs to a renovated Centreville and then shifting Fairfax Villa entirely to Fairfax HS? What if that required the 3000 seat expansion? What if it could also relieve capacity at Robinson and Woodson?

Are these options an indication of “jealousy”? How?

When you oppose renovations and expansions that directly benefit 3 to 4 other pyramids because of your agenda in your “current” pyramid, people might think you are the problem.

Where is this "universal opposition anywhere to anything that might relate to planned capacity enhancements" of which you speak?

The point is that FCPS would be better served by adding capacity where it is most needed, rather than do huge expansions for its own convenience merely because a school is in an antiquated renovation queue designed over 15 years ago. When it does so it creates internal incentives to shift boundaries to justify its own poor planning rather than serve students in their existing pyramids.

Of course if they build Centreville out to 3000 when its enrollment is projected to be under 2100 by 2029, they can do something with those 900 surplus seats. If they built it out to 2500, they could also do something with 400 surplus seats. That could involve moving Willow Springs to Centreville, some Centreville areas to Westfield, and part of Westfield to Herndon. It doesn't clearly require turning Centreville into a 3000-student factory.

Fairfax Villa was moved from Fairfax to Woodson not that long ago, so it doesn't necessarily want to get moved back to Fairfax. Robinson is not expected to be overcrowded, but if it were it could shift some neighborhoods to Lake Braddock, not Centreville.

You're just digging a hole for yourself here, apparently because you've convinced any opposition to FCPS's plans comes from one pyramid. You couldn't be more wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me why they are focusing on boundaries so much when they could be paying more attention to the schools that most need renovations or additions?

My understanding is they are wasting a lot of money on expanding under enrolled schools (for example in Herndon) and even a new school that isn’t needed in Dunn Loring?!?

If they were scrutinizing these expenditures more carefully wouldn’t some of these boundary changes be unnecessary? I’m not against boundary changes if they are truly necessary but it feels like they are using our kids to cover up their mistakes.

We regret moving to Fairfax and will not be voting for any of these School Board members again.

McLean should be torn down and moved further from Langley. Tear it down!

It may fall down on its own given the neglect of FCPS, but it's in a more central location and serves more students who live close to the school than Langley, which really should be located near Great Falls Village to serve its current neighborhoods.

Yes and McLean HS is very walkable and so that cuts down on transport costs. If it were to move, the only open space left would be in Tysons now that Evan’s Farm Inn is developed.

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That is a lot of words just to say exactly what I said you would say: you oppose planned renovations to schools that can be relied upon by the public for capacity and planning projections, and you specifically oppose relying on the CIP for capacity projections (which currently includes the renovation of Centreville).

Am I the one digging a hole?

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Anonymous wrote:That is a lot of words just to say exactly what I said you would say: you oppose planned renovations to schools that can be relied upon by the public for capacity and planning projections, and you specifically oppose relying on the CIP for capacity projections (which currently includes the renovation of Centreville).

Am I the one digging a hole?

This is in response to 11:19, not the post about Mclean.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a lot of words just to say exactly what I said you would say: you oppose planned renovations to schools that can be relied upon by the public for capacity and planning projections, and you specifically oppose relying on the CIP for capacity projections (which currently includes the renovation of Centreville).

Am I the one digging a hole?

Yes, you are digging yourself deeper into a hole with your latest word salad.

The enrollment projections in the latest CIP strongly militate against a massive expansion of Centreville. The main reason “for” it is simply institutional inertia.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me why they are focusing on boundaries so much when they could be paying more attention to the schools that most need renovations or additions?

My understanding is they are wasting a lot of money on expanding under enrolled schools (for example in Herndon) and even a new school that isn’t needed in Dunn Loring?!?

If they were scrutinizing these expenditures more carefully wouldn’t some of these boundary changes be unnecessary? I’m not against boundary changes if they are truly necessary but it feels like they are using our kids to cover up their mistakes.

We regret moving to Fairfax and will not be voting for any of these School Board members again.

McLean should be torn down and moved further from Langley. Tear it down!

I am curious, in what direction would you move it to be further away from Langley? It seems to me that if you move it away from Langley, you encroach on Marshall. Plus, where is this open land upon which to build?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me why they are focusing on boundaries so much when they could be paying more attention to the schools that most need renovations or additions?

My understanding is they are wasting a lot of money on expanding under enrolled schools (for example in Herndon) and even a new school that isn’t needed in Dunn Loring?!?

If they were scrutinizing these expenditures more carefully wouldn’t some of these boundary changes be unnecessary? I’m not against boundary changes if they are truly necessary but it feels like they are using our kids to cover up their mistakes.

We regret moving to Fairfax and will not be voting for any of these School Board members again.

McLean should be torn down and moved further from Langley. Tear it down!

I am curious, in what direction would you move it to be further away from Langley? It seems to me that if you move it away from Langley, you encroach on Marshall. Plus, where is this open land upon which to build?

DP. It's not a serious suggestion, just a comment that some people make in response to the school facility's neglect at the hands of the School Board. They need the school and it's in an excellent location for a school, with many walkers.

By way of reference they toyed with the idea of closing Marshall in the early 90s when the school's enrollment was down to around 1100. The land near Tysons was and is quite valuable, but the decision to hold onto the school clearly turned out to be the right one.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a lot of words just to say exactly what I said you would say: you oppose planned renovations to schools that can be relied upon by the public for capacity and planning projections, and you specifically oppose relying on the CIP for capacity projections (which currently includes the renovation of Centreville).

Am I the one digging a hole?

Yes, you are digging yourself deeper into a hole with your latest word salad.

The enrollment projections in the latest CIP strongly militate against a massive expansion of Centreville. The main reason “for” it is simply institutional inertia.

Yay!!! Thesaurus is back!!! It’s $10 word day!!! Bigger words make things sound important!!!

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Anonymous wrote:That is a lot of words just to say exactly what I said you would say: you oppose planned renovations to schools that can be relied upon by the public for capacity and planning projections, and you specifically oppose relying on the CIP for capacity projections (which currently includes the renovation of Centreville).

Am I the one digging a hole?

Yes, you are digging yourself deeper into a hole with your latest word salad.

The enrollment projections in the latest CIP strongly militate against a massive expansion of Centreville. The main reason “for” it is simply institutional inertia.

Yay!!! Thesaurus is back!!! It’s $10 word day!!! Bigger words make things sound important!!!

Laughing that you think these are "big" words. You keep going down that hole with no end in sight.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there an echo in this chamber? All I hear is “Langley….Langley….langley……..langley……….”

Hmm. All I hear is "Chantilly... Centreville... Chantilly... West Springfield... Lewis..." You hear what you want to hear, as usual.

You all are hilarious. Look at the thread. The post you are eye-rolling immediately follows 3 posts that specifically mention Langley. On that page, 5 of the 14 posts mention Langley. How many times is Lewis specifically mentioned on that page? Springfield? Chantilly?

When someone dared to call out the “Langley Brigade,” they are shouted down and given eye rolls: as if people can’t clearly see those prior posts, that try to make everything about Langley.

You hurt your credibility when you flood this board with posts that attempt to deny a reality that everyone sees and reads.

That was the point of the “echo chamber” remark: it is not always about Langley! There are other schools in this county! Why is a discussion about a much-needed expansion to Centreville flooded with 1 out of 3 posts focused on Langley, then folks deny that anyone is talking about Langley!?!?

Can we move on from Langley? This will be long, but it summarizes about 30% of this thread and the prior 480+ page thread.

Can’t we all just agree that some people on this board that are currently zoned to Forestville ES are advocating:

1) IB should end everywhere in the county, because that will end transfers out of Herndon to South Lakes, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

2) AAP centers should be ended across the entire county because Herndon uses an out of pyramid AAP center, which results in principal placements out of Herndon High to maintain friend groups in high school that were formed in middle school at the AAP centers, and ending AAP centers will end principle placements out of Herndon, and “fix capacity shortfalls” at Herndon, so Forestville ES stays zoned to Langley.

3) The CIP should not be trusted, ever, and no other high school should expanded, because capacity is the enemy that may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon. Did you know that a FOIA request revealed that data used in the CIP proves that the entire CIP is all a terrible sham designed solely to move Forestville ES to Herndon? The entire county can just deal with the fact that there will never be a western high school. As one example, kids who currently live in Fairfax Villa and who are currently in ES don’t deserve to go to a newly renovated Centreville HS five years from now that is next door to their neighborhood. Instead, in five years, they should be bussed across town to Fairfax HS because otherwise we would have relied on the CIP plan and its projections, which may be used to shift Forestville ES to Herndon High, and can’t have that, can we? (BTW, the push against Centreville will also hurt Chantilly, Robinson, and Woodson, among others - but Forestville to Langley is all that matters, so suck it).

Is that everything? Did I get it all? Down with AAP, IB, and renovations in crowded pyramids that let kids attend the school right next door, because it might result in Forestville ES shifting to Langley? (Oh right, there was that “totally not about Langley #35 thing,” but we will consider that resolved by the private, in-person meeting with Reid).

Langley.

That was nice of you to spend all day proving the bold correct. Good job. Nicely done. If you give some folks enough rope…