ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to understand the real surveys from the big soccer leagues and governing bodies were sent out and completed months ago. A decision to switch back to school year cutoffs is happening. Will it be for everyone at the same time I think is more of an argument.ECNL going to switch things up right away. Everyone else will either join them in fall or they will implement with phases so each team can add a certain number of Q3/4 players for 25/26 with full implementation for 26/27.

The surveys went out to the clubs like two months ago, this whole plan was cooked once before that by handful of EL executives. Clubs were surprised, even those that support the change.

This is exactly how DA failed. ECNL folks were behind that too. There will be fallout, regardless of position on age cut offs. People are not gonna be happy about the conspiracy. (See SoCal)

local small clubs will not be happy, but ECNL member clubs will be happy for the change. It is obvious from Socal member clubs reaction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to understand the real surveys from the big soccer leagues and governing bodies were sent out and completed months ago. A decision to switch back to school year cutoffs is happening. Will it be for everyone at the same time I think is more of an argument.ECNL going to switch things up right away. Everyone else will either join them in fall or they will implement with phases so each team can add a certain number of Q3/4 players for 25/26 with full implementation for 26/27.

The surveys went out to the clubs like two months ago, this whole plan was cooked once before that by handful of EL executives. Clubs were surprised, even those that support the change.

This is exactly how DA failed. ECNL folks were behind that too. There will be fallout, regardless of position on age cut offs. People are not gonna be happy about the conspiracy. (See SoCal)

local small clubs will not be happy, but ECNL member clubs will be happy for the change. It is obvious from Socal member clubs reaction.

Yea everyone will be totally excited to break up teams an do a bunch of unnecessary work.

[Anonymous]

The DA “failed” because the USSF allowed the MLS to “fail” it. The DA ceased to exist 9 months after the Sport Arbitration Court held that US youth clubs were legally entitled to a share of the player development fees, and that the MLS/USSF side deal to exclude the youth clubs was illegal.

In other words, MLS ownership did not want to share did not want to cut the youth clubs in for a share of the development fees that they earned. (Development fees are often over 7 figures.). So, the USSF said - okay we will end the DA and you can start MLSNext. What? There’s a whole girls side to the DA? Oh, we forgot. Oh well, guess that ends too.

The US can have its own age cutoff date. It’s no big deal to make it August 1. Yes, the best kids will now be those born in August-October and not January-March. But, you draw the line somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DA “failed” because the USSF allowed the MLS to “fail” it. The DA ceased to exist 9 months after the Sport Arbitration Court held that US youth clubs were legally entitled to a share of the player development fees, and that the MLS/USSF side deal to exclude the youth clubs was illegal.

In other words, MLS ownership did not want to share did not want to cut the youth clubs in for a share of the development fees that they earned. (Development fees are often over 7 figures.). So, the USSF said - okay we will end the DA and you can start MLSNext. What? There’s a whole girls side to the DA? Oh, we forgot. Oh well, guess that ends too.

The US can have its own age cutoff date. It’s no big deal to make it August 1. Yes, the best kids will now be those born in August-October and not January-March. But, you draw the line somewhere.

Shhh... All the Girls ECNL parents are agreeing with each other. Please stop telling the truth it only confuses them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/youthsoccer/comments/1gmozoi/socal_soccer_league_age_matrix/

ECNL going to SY is a done deal.

Let's see how GA/DPL, MLSN/EA react.

ECNL has wanted to go/stay SY since 2018. It's no secret what they prefer when it comes to BY vs. SY.

GA/DPL, MLSN/EA are the wildcards.

I have heard of one GA club told parents to expect it (NE) and another that said it wasn't' happening (Midwest). Who knows.

My kid plays for one of the biggest GA clubs on the West Coast. I visit here for East Coast club info. We haven't heard anything from club leadership reguarding BY or SY.

I also have connections with parents at local Socal ECNL clubs and nothing official has been communicated to them either.

We have been trying out at ECNL clubs at multiple age groups. (Trapped player) The coaches are completely aware why but won't comment on BY vs SY. We're just making connections and setting up for playing as a Discovery player if there's interest.

My daughter’s ECNL club has not said a word about it. But my friends at other local ECNL clubs have been told by their directors/coaches more than likely it will be 8/1 cut off. Official announcement will be sent out as soon as it’s official.

ECNL does not see it as an issue as not that many trapped players to take spots. They don’t anticipate a lot of movement or don’t believe RL players will really take many spots away from current players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to understand the real surveys from the big soccer leagues and governing bodies were sent out and completed months ago. A decision to switch back to school year cutoffs is happening. Will it be for everyone at the same time I think is more of an argument.ECNL going to switch things up right away. Everyone else will either join them in fall or they will implement with phases so each team can add a certain number of Q3/4 players for 25/26 with full implementation for 26/27.

The surveys went out to the clubs like two months ago, this whole plan was cooked once before that by handful of EL executives. Clubs were surprised, even those that support the change.

This is exactly how DA failed. ECNL folks were behind that too. There will be fallout, regardless of position on age cut offs. People are not gonna be happy about the conspiracy. (See SoCal)

local small clubs will not be happy, but ECNL member clubs will be happy for the change. It is obvious from Socal member clubs reaction.

Yea everyone will be totally excited to break up teams an do a bunch of unnecessary work.

ECNL clubs are happy. Their rosters already have 22-23 players. The small local clubs will have big hits, and revenue will increase to ECNL clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/youthsoccer/comments/1gmozoi/socal_soccer_league_age_matrix/

ECNL going to SY is a done deal.

Let's see how GA/DPL, MLSN/EA react.

ECNL has wanted to go/stay SY since 2018. It's no secret what they prefer when it comes to BY vs. SY.

GA/DPL, MLSN/EA are the wildcards.

I have heard of one GA club told parents to expect it (NE) and another that said it wasn't' happening (Midwest). Who knows.

My kid plays for one of the biggest GA clubs on the West Coast. I visit here for East Coast club info. We haven't heard anything from club leadership reguarding BY or SY.

I also have connections with parents at local Socal ECNL clubs and nothing official has been communicated to them either.

We have been trying out at ECNL clubs at multiple age groups. (Trapped player) The coaches are completely aware why but won't comment on BY vs SY. We're just making connections and setting up for playing as a Discovery player if there's interest.

My daughter’s ECNL club has not said a word about it. But my friends at other local ECNL clubs have been told by their directors/coaches more than likely it will be 8/1 cut off. Official announcement will be sent out as soon as it’s official.

ECNL does not see it as an issue as not that many trapped players to take spots. They don’t anticipate a lot of movement or don’t believe RL players will really take many spots away from current players.

Wait for the Q3/Q4 MLSN players, esp. 2010 and 2011 groups, as a lot of trap players are in MLSN teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/youthsoccer/comments/1gmozoi/socal_soccer_league_age_matrix/

ECNL going to SY is a done deal.

Let's see how GA/DPL, MLSN/EA react.

ECNL has wanted to go/stay SY since 2018. It's no secret what they prefer when it comes to BY vs. SY.

GA/DPL, MLSN/EA are the wildcards.

I have heard of one GA club told parents to expect it (NE) and another that said it wasn't' happening (Midwest). Who knows.

My kid plays for one of the biggest GA clubs on the West Coast. I visit here for East Coast club info. We haven't heard anything from club leadership reguarding BY or SY.

I also have connections with parents at local Socal ECNL clubs and nothing official has been communicated to them either.

We have been trying out at ECNL clubs at multiple age groups. (Trapped player) The coaches are completely aware why but won't comment on BY vs SY. We're just making connections and setting up for playing as a Discovery player if there's interest.

I talked to a top ECNL coach in my area (West Coast) about it and he didnt want people to know early becasue he thinks some parents are going to lose their minds.... He said people think they have deals that will need to be re managed and its not fair... Its going to be a complete disaster for his club and the carefuly curated rosters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/youthsoccer/comments/1gmozoi/socal_soccer_league_age_matrix/

ECNL going to SY is a done deal.

Let's see how GA/DPL, MLSN/EA react.

ECNL has wanted to go/stay SY since 2018. It's no secret what they prefer when it comes to BY vs. SY.

GA/DPL, MLSN/EA are the wildcards.

I have heard of one GA club told parents to expect it (NE) and another that said it wasn't' happening (Midwest). Who knows.

My kid plays for one of the biggest GA clubs on the West Coast. I visit here for East Coast club info. We haven't heard anything from club leadership reguarding BY or SY.

I also have connections with parents at local Socal ECNL clubs and nothing official has been communicated to them either.

We have been trying out at ECNL clubs at multiple age groups. (Trapped player) The coaches are completely aware why but won't comment on BY vs SY. We're just making connections and setting up for playing as a Discovery player if there's interest.

I talked to a top ECNL coach in my area (West Coast) about it and he didnt want people to know early becasue he thinks some parents are going to lose their minds.... He said people think they have deals that will need to be re managed and its not fair... Its going to be a complete disaster for his club and the carefuly curated rosters.

I'll take "Things that didn't happen for $500"

[Anonymous]

ECNL girls parernt posts are so cringe.

They have no clue how MLS Next works but feel like they know enough to comment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DA “failed” because the USSF allowed the MLS to “fail” it. The DA ceased to exist 9 months after the Sport Arbitration Court held that US youth clubs were legally entitled to a share of the player development fees, and that the MLS/USSF side deal to exclude the youth clubs was illegal.

In other words, MLS ownership did not want to share did not want to cut the youth clubs in for a share of the development fees that they earned. (Development fees are often over 7 figures.). So, the USSF said - okay we will end the DA and you can start MLSNext. What? There’s a whole girls side to the DA? Oh, we forgot. Oh well, guess that ends too.

The US can have its own age cutoff date. It’s no big deal to make it August 1. Yes, the best kids will now be those born in August-October and not January-March. But, you draw the line somewhere.

Can't speak for all of DA, but where I live DA struggled because many of the top players wanted to play with their friends in High school during their Jr/Sr years. High School soccer here is in the spring (because that is when the football overlords allow it to be).

That meant that our DA team had some top players (where their HS team is weak) and decent players, but the top HS teams retained their best players.

You may feel their decision to play with their friends is dubious, but keep in mind, for them, soccer was 'fun again.' Also, few 17/18 year olds in this country get pro contracts. College? NCAA D1 only allotted 9.9 for the entire roster (over 30 players!) of which many are foreign born professional club academy products just not good enough to land a contract.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The DA “failed” because the USSF allowed the MLS to “fail” it. The DA ceased to exist 9 months after the Sport Arbitration Court held that US youth clubs were legally entitled to a share of the player development fees, and that the MLS/USSF side deal to exclude the youth clubs was illegal.

In other words, MLS ownership did not want to share did not want to cut the youth clubs in for a share of the development fees that they earned. (Development fees are often over 7 figures.). So, the USSF said - okay we will end the DA and you can start MLSNext. What? There’s a whole girls side to the DA? Oh, we forgot. Oh well, guess that ends too.

The US can have its own age cutoff date. It’s no big deal to make it August 1. Yes, the best kids will now be those born in August-October and not January-March. But, you draw the line somewhere.

Can't speak for all of DA, but where I live DA struggled because many of the top players wanted to play with their friends in High school during their Jr/Sr years. High School soccer here is in the spring (because that is when the football overlords allow it to be).

That meant that our DA team had some top players (where their HS team is weak) and decent players, but the top HS teams retained their best players.

You may feel their decision to play with their friends is dubious, but keep in mind, for them, soccer was 'fun again.' Also, few 17/18 year olds in this country get pro contracts. College? NCAA D1 only allotted 9.9 for the entire roster (over 30 players!) of which many are foreign born professional club academy products just not good enough to land a contract.

Funny how MLS Next is the top league for boys and they don't allow players to play HS soccer.

ECNL boys is 2nd tier to MLS Next and they do allow playing in HS.

Reality is smacking your BS in the face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The DA “failed” because the USSF allowed the MLS to “fail” it. The DA ceased to exist 9 months after the Sport Arbitration Court held that US youth clubs were legally entitled to a share of the player development fees, and that the MLS/USSF side deal to exclude the youth clubs was illegal.

In other words, MLS ownership did not want to share did not want to cut the youth clubs in for a share of the development fees that they earned. (Development fees are often over 7 figures.). So, the USSF said - okay we will end the DA and you can start MLSNext. What? There’s a whole girls side to the DA? Oh, we forgot. Oh well, guess that ends too.

The US can have its own age cutoff date. It’s no big deal to make it August 1. Yes, the best kids will now be those born in August-October and not January-March. But, you draw the line somewhere.

Can't speak for all of DA, but where I live DA struggled because many of the top players wanted to play with their friends in High school during their Jr/Sr years. High School soccer here is in the spring (because that is when the football overlords allow it to be).

That meant that our DA team had some top players (where their HS team is weak) and decent players, but the top HS teams retained their best players.

You may feel their decision to play with their friends is dubious, but keep in mind, for them, soccer was 'fun again.' Also, few 17/18 year olds in this country get pro contracts. College? NCAA D1 only allotted 9.9 for the entire roster (over 30 players!) of which many are foreign born professional club academy products just not good enough to land a contract.

Funny how MLS Next is the top league for boys and they don't allow players to play HS soccer.

ECNL boys is 2nd tier to MLS Next and they do allow playing in HS.

Reality is smacking your BS in the face.

This rambling nonsense does nothing to dispute what this poster wrote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DA “failed” because the USSF allowed the MLS to “fail” it. The DA ceased to exist 9 months after the Sport Arbitration Court held that US youth clubs were legally entitled to a share of the player development fees, and that the MLS/USSF side deal to exclude the youth clubs was illegal.

In other words, MLS ownership did not want to share did not want to cut the youth clubs in for a share of the development fees that they earned. (Development fees are often over 7 figures.). So, the USSF said - okay we will end the DA and you can start MLSNext. What? There’s a whole girls side to the DA? Oh, we forgot. Oh well, guess that ends too.

The US can have its own age cutoff date. It’s no big deal to make it August 1. Yes, the best kids will now be those born in August-October and not January-March. But, you draw the line somewhere.

Because things happened around the same time does not make them true. MLS had been talking about building their own academies for a good year or two before Yedlin. DA started to fail because teams started to jump ship to ECNL, because ECNL was working behind the scenes to undermine DA. When DA announced their closure, MLS pulled the trigger, not the other way around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People need to understand the real surveys from the big soccer leagues and governing bodies were sent out and completed months ago. A decision to switch back to school year cutoffs is happening. Will it be for everyone at the same time I think is more of an argument.ECNL going to switch things up right away. Everyone else will either join them in fall or they will implement with phases so each team can add a certain number of Q3/4 players for 25/26 with full implementation for 26/27.

The surveys went out to the clubs like two months ago, this whole plan was cooked once before that by handful of EL executives. Clubs were surprised, even those that support the change.

This is exactly how DA failed. ECNL folks were behind that too. There will be fallout, regardless of position on age cut offs. People are not gonna be happy about the conspiracy. (See SoCal)

local small clubs will not be happy, but ECNL member clubs will be happy for the change. It is obvious from Socal member clubs reaction.

Yea everyone will be totally excited to break up teams an do a bunch of unnecessary work.

ECNL clubs are happy. Their rosters already have 22-23 players. The small local clubs will have big hits, and revenue will increase to ECNL clubs.

There are a lot of ECNL clubs that aren’t happy about it.