Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Who we should all be mad at is Flo/BOE/MCPS for throwing out a crap idea that got everyone distracted from having reasonable and respectful conversations.

This- why did they even bother with these fake options?

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Anonymous wrote:Option 3 fails at doing what it is supposed to do, which is equalize FARMS rates across HSs (at least). The reason it fails is because 1) people segregate and will continue to do so, and 2) Whitman is far away and needs better housing policy.

We could have had a conversation about what WOULD actually help in the context of the school boundary study (e.g., not housing policy), but instead here we are.

I don't think any reasonably informed person has ever had the expectation this boundary study would equalize farms rates across HSs

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and yet Option 3 is supposed to at least focus on that. I will agree, though, that Flo/BOE/MCPS is perhaps not reasonably well-informed.

I agree with you that Option 3 is much more balanced than people.seem to believe. In Option 3, the majority of neighborhoods are assigned to a nearby school.

I disagree with that. Or rather, the other options focus on geographic proximity (I think it is actually Option 4). So geographic proximity is maximized (in comparison to all options presented) in Option 4, not 3.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 3 fails at doing what it is supposed to do, which is equalize FARMS rates across HSs (at least). The reason it fails is because 1) people segregate and will continue to do so, and 2) Whitman is far away and needs better housing policy.

We could have had a conversation about what WOULD actually help in the context of the school boundary study (e.g., not housing policy), but instead here we are.

I don't think any reasonably informed person has ever had the expectation this boundary study would equalize farms rates across HSs

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and yet Option 3 is supposed to at least focus on that. I will agree, though, that Flo/BOE/MCPS is perhaps not reasonably well-informed.

I agree with you that Option 3 is much more balanced than people.seem to believe. In Option 3, the majority of neighborhoods are assigned to a nearby school.

I disagree with that. Or rather, the other options focus on geographic proximity (I think it is actually Option 4). So geographic proximity is maximized (in comparison to all options presented) in Option 4, not 3.

I didn't say geographic proximity was maximized by Option 3. That's like me saying I disagree with your statement that Option 3 makes kids travel to Russia for school.

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Anonymous wrote:Option 3 fails at doing what it is supposed to do, which is equalize FARMS rates across HSs (at least). The reason it fails is because 1) people segregate and will continue to do so, and 2) Whitman is far away and needs better housing policy.

We could have had a conversation about what WOULD actually help in the context of the school boundary study (e.g., not housing policy), but instead here we are.

I don't think any reasonably informed person has ever had the expectation this boundary study would equalize farms rates across HSs

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and yet Option 3 is supposed to at least focus on that. I will agree, though, that Flo/BOE/MCPS is perhaps not reasonably well-informed.

I agree with you that Option 3 is much more balanced than people.seem to believe. In Option 3, the majority of neighborhoods are assigned to a nearby school.

I disagree with that. Or rather, the other options focus on geographic proximity (I think it is actually Option 4). So geographic proximity is maximized (in comparison to all options presented) in Option 4, not 3.

I didn't say geographic proximity was maximized by Option 3. That's like me saying I disagree with your statement that Option 3 makes kids travel to Russia for school.

ok

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Anonymous wrote:for something objective, note that MCPS considers 4 miles a "far" distance to school, and that distance only occurs in much less dense areas of the county.

the distance from Farmland ES to Kennedy is something like 6.5 miles.

But the cost of sticking it to west county is priceless. That is what is driving most of the east county oh but we care about people and you just want to hoard BS

notably, option 3 buses lots of kids far distances. It isn't just west county.

but I agree that just wanting to see people hurt for not benefit is not a good look.

I don't want anybody to get hurt. I do think laying bare the entitlement and resource hoarding of certain individuals in our community is pretty interesting.

Yes, a 6+ mile bus ride seems excessive and not worth the squeeze but it is hardly catastrophic. I doubt they will do it but some of the reactions on here are hysterical.

Performative liberalism hurts the causes you claim to care about.

Which leads me to wonder if you actually care about those causes or if instead you are more driven by a need to stick it to people while cloaking your arguments in moralistic language. In a way it is very maga of you!

This exactly.

Lol of course you don't want people calling out how ridiculous and selfish you sound, but I am only doing what is best for you. It does not help your cause to be histrionic about bus rides (yeah it would not be ideal but come on) or paternalistic towards low income kids.

lol you are doing what's best for us. While calling us paternalistic. Ok.

Exactly. So lame. I can speak for myself thanks. And since I know my kids, I am best positioned to advocate on how changes, including long bus rides, will impact them. This person will just double down on the anti-west county rhetoric because that is how they find entertainment and satisfaction. So much of local politics is driven by that sentiment to the detriment of the county.

Omg you need to learn about local history

I have. I just think that the approach of sticking it to west county achieves nothing.

WUSA9 is reporting on a new program from Governor Moore: the launch of the Just Communities program, which will direct $400 million in state funding to historically disadvantaged communities that have faced discriminatory housing practices, including redlining and appraisal bias.

That is action. It acknowledges the history and the problem and it does something tangible about it. It doesn’t waste time and good will endlessly painting people from one part of the county (most of whom voted for Moore, support this approach, and vote for progressive politicians up and down the ballot who want to close the opportunity gap) as segregationist, racist, hoarding, and hysterical about bussing

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Anonymous wrote:for something objective, note that MCPS considers 4 miles a "far" distance to school, and that distance only occurs in much less dense areas of the county.

the distance from Farmland ES to Kennedy is something like 6.5 miles.

But the cost of sticking it to west county is priceless. That is what is driving most of the east county oh but we care about people and you just want to hoard BS

notably, option 3 buses lots of kids far distances. It isn't just west county.

but I agree that just wanting to see people hurt for not benefit is not a good look.

I don't want anybody to get hurt. I do think laying bare the entitlement and resource hoarding of certain individuals in our community is pretty interesting.

Yes, a 6+ mile bus ride seems excessive and not worth the squeeze but it is hardly catastrophic. I doubt they will do it but some of the reactions on here are hysterical.

Performative liberalism hurts the causes you claim to care about.

Which leads me to wonder if you actually care about those causes or if instead you are more driven by a need to stick it to people while cloaking your arguments in moralistic language. In a way it is very maga of you!

This exactly.

Lol of course you don't want people calling out how ridiculous and selfish you sound, but I am only doing what is best for you. It does not help your cause to be histrionic about bus rides (yeah it would not be ideal but come on) or paternalistic towards low income kids.

lol you are doing what's best for us. While calling us paternalistic. Ok.

Exactly. So lame. I can speak for myself thanks. And since I know my kids, I am best positioned to advocate on how changes, including long bus rides, will impact them. This person will just double down on the anti-west county rhetoric because that is how they find entertainment and satisfaction. So much of local politics is driven by that sentiment to the detriment of the county.

Omg you need to learn about local history

I have. I just think that the approach of sticking it to west county achieves nothing.

WUSA9 is reporting on a new program from Governor Moore: the launch of the Just Communities program, which will direct $400 million in state funding to historically disadvantaged communities that have faced discriminatory housing practices, including redlining and appraisal bias.

That is action. It acknowledges the history and the problem and it does something tangible about it. It doesn’t waste time and good will endlessly painting people from one part of the county (most of whom voted for Moore, support this approach, and vote for progressive politicians up and down the ballot who want to close the opportunity gap) as segregationist, racist, hoarding, and hysterical about bussing

Demanding the government prop up property values created by segregation is a segregationist position. Demanding you get to unilaterally decide the outcome of this boundary study because one time you were surveyed and you magnanimously allowed taxpayers to fund a new school building is resource hoarding. These attitudes have appeared multiple times on this thread.

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I would personally like the government to not disrupt my community and my child's ability to walk to school for the false claim of increasing diversity.

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<sigh> here we go again. Does anyone want to point out to our progressive friend that the other option 1, 2, and 4 also lead to diverse schools and better utilization, without the long bus rides?

XYZ consulting, for all the controversy around them, did find that mcps is very diverse and the high schools are not “segregated” from a data perspective (single race) except for Paint Branch on one end and Whitman on the other.

They are in search of a problem to solve with option 3.

PP you really are picking on the wrong people here to make your points.

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Anonymous wrote:for something objective, note that MCPS considers 4 miles a "far" distance to school, and that distance only occurs in much less dense areas of the county.

the distance from Farmland ES to Kennedy is something like 6.5 miles.

But the cost of sticking it to west county is priceless. That is what is driving most of the east county oh but we care about people and you just want to hoard BS

notably, option 3 buses lots of kids far distances. It isn't just west county.

but I agree that just wanting to see people hurt for not benefit is not a good look.

I don't want anybody to get hurt. I do think laying bare the entitlement and resource hoarding of certain individuals in our community is pretty interesting.

Yes, a 6+ mile bus ride seems excessive and not worth the squeeze but it is hardly catastrophic. I doubt they will do it but some of the reactions on here are hysterical.

Performative liberalism hurts the causes you claim to care about.

Which leads me to wonder if you actually care about those causes or if instead you are more driven by a need to stick it to people while cloaking your arguments in moralistic language. In a way it is very maga of you!

This exactly.

Lol of course you don't want people calling out how ridiculous and selfish you sound, but I am only doing what is best for you. It does not help your cause to be histrionic about bus rides (yeah it would not be ideal but come on) or paternalistic towards low income kids.

lol you are doing what's best for us. While calling us paternalistic. Ok.

Exactly. So lame. I can speak for myself thanks. And since I know my kids, I am best positioned to advocate on how changes, including long bus rides, will impact them. This person will just double down on the anti-west county rhetoric because that is how they find entertainment and satisfaction. So much of local politics is driven by that sentiment to the detriment of the county.

Omg you need to learn about local history

I have. I just think that the approach of sticking it to west county achieves nothing.

WUSA9 is reporting on a new program from Governor Moore: the launch of the Just Communities program, which will direct $400 million in state funding to historically disadvantaged communities that have faced discriminatory housing practices, including redlining and appraisal bias.

That is action. It acknowledges the history and the problem and it does something tangible about it. It doesn’t waste time and good will endlessly painting people from one part of the county (most of whom voted for Moore, support this approach, and vote for progressive politicians up and down the ballot who want to close the opportunity gap) as segregationist, racist, hoarding, and hysterical about bussing

Demanding the government prop up property values created by segregation is a segregationist position. Demanding you get to unilaterally decide the outcome of this boundary study because one time you were surveyed and you magnanimously allowed taxpayers to fund a new school building is resource hoarding. These attitudes have appeared multiple times on this thread.

Telling people who actually support policy and politicians who want to close the opportunity gap that they are hoarding and segregationist because they don’t want their kids on a long bus ride is a really good example of why Trump was elected and the Democrats are in the wilderness. But hey it makes you feel morally superior so you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for something objective, note that MCPS considers 4 miles a "far" distance to school, and that distance only occurs in much less dense areas of the county.

the distance from Farmland ES to Kennedy is something like 6.5 miles.

But the cost of sticking it to west county is priceless. That is what is driving most of the east county oh but we care about people and you just want to hoard BS

notably, option 3 buses lots of kids far distances. It isn't just west county.

but I agree that just wanting to see people hurt for not benefit is not a good look.

I don't want anybody to get hurt. I do think laying bare the entitlement and resource hoarding of certain individuals in our community is pretty interesting.

Yes, a 6+ mile bus ride seems excessive and not worth the squeeze but it is hardly catastrophic. I doubt they will do it but some of the reactions on here are hysterical.

Performative liberalism hurts the causes you claim to care about.

Which leads me to wonder if you actually care about those causes or if instead you are more driven by a need to stick it to people while cloaking your arguments in moralistic language. In a way it is very maga of you!

This exactly.

Lol of course you don't want people calling out how ridiculous and selfish you sound, but I am only doing what is best for you. It does not help your cause to be histrionic about bus rides (yeah it would not be ideal but come on) or paternalistic towards low income kids.

lol you are doing what's best for us. While calling us paternalistic. Ok.

Exactly. So lame. I can speak for myself thanks. And since I know my kids, I am best positioned to advocate on how changes, including long bus rides, will impact them. This person will just double down on the anti-west county rhetoric because that is how they find entertainment and satisfaction. So much of local politics is driven by that sentiment to the detriment of the county.

Omg you need to learn about local history

I have. I just think that the approach of sticking it to west county achieves nothing.

WUSA9 is reporting on a new program from Governor Moore: the launch of the Just Communities program, which will direct $400 million in state funding to historically disadvantaged communities that have faced discriminatory housing practices, including redlining and appraisal bias.

That is action. It acknowledges the history and the problem and it does something tangible about it. It doesn’t waste time and good will endlessly painting people from one part of the county (most of whom voted for Moore, support this approach, and vote for progressive politicians up and down the ballot who want to close the opportunity gap) as segregationist, racist, hoarding, and hysterical about bussing

You think $400 million will go far in low income housing? These school will still be heavily segregated even after the changes.

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Anonymous wrote:<sigh> here we go again. Does anyone want to point out to our progressive friend that the other option 1, 2, and 4 also lead to diverse schools and better utilization, without the long bus rides?

XYZ consulting, for all the controversy around them, did find that mcps is very diverse and the high schools are not “segregated” from a data perspective (single race) except for Paint Branch on one end and Whitman on the other.

They are in search of a problem to solve with option 3.

PP you really are picking on the wrong people here to make your points.

If you prefer those options, advocate for them! Don't pretend Option 3 will destroy your community, that's preposterous. Don't act like you only care about the farms kids, that's disgusting. There are good and bad things about each of these options. For my community, Option 1 is hands down the best one but I don't need to make up some story about how Black and Brown low income kids benefit from it. I can just describe what I personally like about it.

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Anonymous wrote:<sigh> here we go again. Does anyone want to point out to our progressive friend that the other option 1, 2, and 4 also lead to diverse schools and better utilization, without the long bus rides?

XYZ consulting, for all the controversy around them, did find that mcps is very diverse and the high schools are not “segregated” from a data perspective (single race) except for Paint Branch on one end and Whitman on the other.

They are in search of a problem to solve with option 3.

PP you really are picking on the wrong people here to make your points.

Look at the races of Wheaton. Its not very diverse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:<sigh> here we go again. Does anyone want to point out to our progressive friend that the other option 1, 2, and 4 also lead to diverse schools and better utilization, without the long bus rides?

XYZ consulting, for all the controversy around them, did find that mcps is very diverse and the high schools are not “segregated” from a data perspective (single race) except for Paint Branch on one end and Whitman on the other.

They are in search of a problem to solve with option 3.

PP you really are picking on the wrong people here to make your points.

If you prefer those options, advocate for them! Don't pretend Option 3 will destroy your community, that's preposterous. Don't act like you only care about the farms kids, that's disgusting. There are good and bad things about each of these options. For my community, Option 1 is hands down the best one but I don't need to make up some story about how Black and Brown low income kids benefit from it. I can just describe what I personally like about it.

Aaaaaaand people can say they don’t like
Option 3 because it will be bad for THEIR CHILD.
What isn’t helpful is you being the it is segregationist language police and characterizing an entire group of people based on their zip code.

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Anonymous wrote:<sigh> here we go again. Does anyone want to point out to our progressive friend that the other option 1, 2, and 4 also lead to diverse schools and better utilization, without the long bus rides?

XYZ consulting, for all the controversy around them, did find that mcps is very diverse and the high schools are not “segregated” from a data perspective (single race) except for Paint Branch on one end and Whitman on the other.

They are in search of a problem to solve with option 3.

PP you really are picking on the wrong people here to make your points.

Look at the races of Wheaton. Its not very diverse.

Can you read? The post you are responding too states that the consultant identified Paint Branch and Whitman as not diverse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:<sigh> here we go again. Does anyone want to point out to our progressive friend that the other option 1, 2, and 4 also lead to diverse schools and better utilization, without the long bus rides?

XYZ consulting, for all the controversy around them, did find that mcps is very diverse and the high schools are not “segregated” from a data perspective (single race) except for Paint Branch on one end and Whitman on the other.

They are in search of a problem to solve with option 3.

PP you really are picking on the wrong people here to make your points.

If you prefer those options, advocate for them! Don't pretend Option 3 will destroy your community, that's preposterous. Don't act like you only care about the farms kids, that's disgusting. There are good and bad things about each of these options. For my community, Option 1 is hands down the best one but I don't need to make up some story about how Black and Brown low income kids benefit from it. I can just describe what I personally like about it.

Aaaaaaand people can say they don’t like
Option 3 because it will be bad for THEIR CHILD.
What isn’t helpful is you being the it is segregationist language police and characterizing an entire group of people based on their zip code.

Um sorry you don't like being called out? Maybe don't advocate for segregation.