Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A look at the timeline of what happened to a wealthy family who was killed in Washington
http://www.startribune.com/timeline-before-slaying-of-wealthy-family-in-washington/304604781/

So, Amy called Savas at 5:30PM -- two hours after the housekeeper was scheduled to have departed. Since the housekeeper had not, in fact, departed, the timeline ultimately suggests that the criminal was already in control of the household, and had been since 3PM at the latest. He probably instructed Amy to call Savas in order to get him home.

This whole thing is heartbreaking, and I expect it continues to command so much fascination because none of us can begin to comprehend the kind of terror they endured over almost a day, so we're driven to collect more details. But at this point, I'm starting to realize that additional details are only going to compound how horrible this crime was. It's haunting.

My heart goes out to the daughters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm having a hard time thinking about how scared this family must have been, especially their fears for their ten year old son's safety. A truly heinous crime.

This is the worst part, and probably what affected us all.

And what makes us all sick! i think all were trying to maintain. The dad, mom, etc. It went south at the end. Perhaps lack of sleep, my guess is dad fighting to the bitter end, I hold this dad up until the bitter end. The perps were not smarter. He maintained his cool, if at all possible, thought of every trick in the book. I will forever admire him.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:Please, please, please drop the discussion about the woman who gave the interview. Just when I think this thread can't get worse, you guys surprise me. If I have to read one more message about her I'm going to gouge my eyes out.

This is a thread about a tragedy that occurred, no? So if friends of the deceased family are upset that people or a person is speaking about the tragedy to the media, then I think they have a right to express that on this thread, as unfortunately it has now become part of the story. I don't want to bash anyone and definitely was not one of the people bashing the housekeeper. I am aware though that the family had asked for their friends not to speak to the media so I can understand how having private things your mother said aired on TV (even if they were nice things) could feel like a betrayal and feel upsetting.

No, the woman is not "part of the story". The story is 4 people being brutally murdered and a dangerous fugitive at large. A bunch of childish bickering about someone who did a single interview that virtually nobody will remember a day from now is simply irritating and does nothing to respect the memories of the deceased.

Well put

+1 Yes, I'm so upset by these posts. I'm very sorry to the woman who lost her friend. It's the only humanizing thing I've actually heard about the family, so when I think of them I will remember what she said.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Please, please, please drop the discussion about the woman who gave the interview. Just when I think this thread can't get worse, you guys surprise me. If I have to read one more message about her I'm going to gouge my eyes out.

This is a thread about a tragedy that occurred, no? So if friends of the deceased family are upset that people or a person is speaking about the tragedy to the media, then I think they have a right to express that on this thread, as unfortunately it has now become part of the story. I don't want to bash anyone and definitely was not one of the people bashing the housekeeper. I am aware though that the family had asked for their friends not to speak to the media so I can understand how having private things your mother said aired on TV (even if they were nice things) could feel like a betrayal and feel upsetting.

No, the woman is not "part of the story". The story is 4 people being brutally murdered and a dangerous fugitive at large. A bunch of childish bickering about someone who did a single interview that virtually nobody will remember a day from now is simply irritating and does nothing to respect the memories of the deceased.

SorryI've got to call you out here, even though you are providing us all with a service that I do appreciate. You write as if there is a pure way to discuss this tragedy and an impure way , that "does nothing to respect the memories of the deceased." Come one, none of this discussion respects the memory of the deceased. I say this as someone who has obviously followed this thread, and posted a little. But what we are doing here is a bit disgusting and I can't imagine the Savopoulos family would feel differently if they knew. All this speculating, this game of guessing who did what. If it was someone you loved, you would be horrified. I'm here too, I'm intrigued. I knew Amy (not well) and I am sickened and saddened by this awful, awful crime and also as curious as anyone, as speculative as anyone. But I would never pretend that what we are doing on this thread protects the memory of the deceased. This is part catharsis, which is fine, and a whole lot of entertainment, which is not fine. As I said, I'm guilty too. But I can't help but react to the tone of this post, as if you are doing something elevated here.

I;m hearing from Amy's friends that they are horrified about this woman's interview. She may read this thread, it would be useful for her to know.

[Anonymous]

Sorry for the typos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm having a hard time thinking about how scared this family must have been, especially their fears for their ten year old son's safety. A truly heinous crime.

This is the worst part, and probably what affected us all.

And what makes us all sick! i think all were trying to maintain. The dad, mom, etc. It went south at the end. Perhaps lack of sleep, my guess is dad fighting to the bitter end, I hold this dad up until the bitter end. The perps were not smarter. He maintained his cool, if at all possible, thought of every trick in the book. I will forever admire him.

I really admire the family too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm having a hard time thinking about how scared this family must have been, especially their fears for their ten year old son's safety. A truly heinous crime.

This is the worst part, and probably what affected us all.

And what makes us all sick! i think all were trying to maintain. The dad, mom, etc. It went south at the end. Perhaps lack of sleep, my guess is dad fighting to the bitter end, I hold this dad up until the bitter end. The perps were not smarter. He maintained his cool, if at all possible, thought of every trick in the book. I will forever admire him.

I really admire the family too.

+1

I know. I would bet they did all they could. Heartbreaking.

[Anonymous]

From NBC:
Attorney Robin Ficker, who has represented Wint in the past, told News4 he doesn’t believe Wint did it.
“He is a gentle guy. He was a student at Prince George’s Community College. He wouldn’t hurt a fly,” Ficker said. “He’s the kind of guy that you wouldn’t mind your grandmother going to lunch with.”

I am going to throw up. Criminal lawyers are such scum. Couldn't he just say "no comments" and shut up???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm having a hard time thinking about how scared this family must have been, especially their fears for their ten year old son's safety. A truly heinous crime.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What incentive could he possibly have to turn self in? No death penalty in dc so that is off the table

I would think his chances of being in jail rest of life are 100% so why not try to run? I can't see him getting out after only 30 yes because he turned himself in and cooperated

agree..he's going to run as long as he can

I believe his incentive is he has three children. They will grow up under this umbrella of their father's acts. Although horrific perhaps he can still be there for them to show them what not to do. Make better choices, etc. Children still end up loving their parent no matter the circumstances.

My guess the crime being solved will help the S children as well. We do not know if he acted alone. Perhaps the authorities already do.

If he has one ounce of true love for his kids, he will turn himself in.

Omg. Hilarious.



He looks ok on the FB poasts but his mugshot is atrocious-he looks like the evil animal that he truly is. Praying they catch in soon-I feart he might hurt others.

On his Facebook page, which may not be up now, there was a picture of a two-three yr old girl with the caption "if you want one this cute, holla at me" or so,etching like that

Yeah, sounds like an upstanding dad alright.

Ugh! What does that even mean? Such a loser.

I saw that too. It's sort of delusional, don't you think?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:Please, please, please drop the discussion about the woman who gave the interview. Just when I think this thread can't get worse, you guys surprise me. If I have to read one more message about her I'm going to gouge my eyes out.

This is a thread about a tragedy that occurred, no? So if friends of the deceased family are upset that people or a person is speaking about the tragedy to the media, then I think they have a right to express that on this thread, as unfortunately it has now become part of the story. I don't want to bash anyone and definitely was not one of the people bashing the housekeeper. I am aware though that the family had asked for their friends not to speak to the media so I can understand how having private things your mother said aired on TV (even if they were nice things) could feel like a betrayal and feel upsetting.

No, the woman is not "part of the story". The story is 4 people being brutally murdered and a dangerous fugitive at large. A bunch of childish bickering about someone who did a single interview that virtually nobody will remember a day from now is simply irritating and does nothing to respect the memories of the deceased.

SorryI've got to call you out here, even though you are providing us all with a service that I do appreciate. You write as if there is a pure way to discuss this tragedy and an impure way , that "does nothing to respect the memories of the deceased." Come one, none of this discussion respects the memory of the deceased. I say this as someone who has obviously followed this thread, and posted a little. But what we are doing here is a bit disgusting and I can't imagine the Savopoulos family would feel differently if they knew. All this speculating, this game of guessing who did what. If it was someone you loved, you would be horrified. I'm here too, I'm intrigued. I knew Amy (not well) and I am sickened and saddened by this awful, awful crime and also as curious as anyone, as speculative as anyone. But I would never pretend that what we are doing on this thread protects the memory of the deceased. This is part catharsis, which is fine, and a whole lot of entertainment, which is not fine. As I said, I'm guilty too. But I can't help but react to the tone of this post, as if you are doing something elevated here.

I;m hearing from Amy's friends that they are horrified about this woman's interview. She may read this thread, it would be useful for her to know.

The reasons being given by those opposed to the interview are that it went against the wishes of the family and was disrespectful to them. If my translation of that in to respect for the memories of the deceased was inartful and inaccurate, I apologize.

However, if you want to send the woman a message, pick up the telephone or send her an email. Please don't use the anonymity of DCUM to communicate your concerns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A look at the timeline of what happened to a wealthy family who was killed in Washington
http://www.startribune.com/timeline-before-slaying-of-wealthy-family-in-washington/304604781/

So, Amy called Savas at 5:30PM -- two hours after the housekeeper was scheduled to have departed. Since the housekeeper had not, in fact, departed, the timeline ultimately suggests that the criminal was already in control of the household, and had been since 3PM at the latest. He probably instructed Amy to call Savas in order to get him home.

This whole thing is heartbreaking, and I expect it continues to command so much fascination because none of us can begin to comprehend the kind of terror they endured over almost a day, so we're driven to collect more details. But at this point, I'm starting to realize that additional details are only going to compound how horrible this crime was. It's haunting.

My heart goes out to the daughters.

You are right. I just cannot comprehend. So unnecessary...and sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What incentive could he possibly have to turn self in? No death penalty in dc so that is off the table

I would think his chances of being in jail rest of life are 100% so why not try to run? I can't see him getting out after only 30 yes because he turned himself in and cooperated

agree..he's going to run as long as he can

I believe his incentive is he has three children. They will grow up under this umbrella of their father's acts. Although horrific perhaps he can still be there for them to show them what not to do. Make better choices, etc. Children still end up loving their parent no matter the circumstances.

My guess the crime being solved will help the S children as well. We do not know if he acted alone. Perhaps the authorities already do.

If he has one ounce of true love for his kids, he will turn himself in.

Omg. Hilarious.




On his Facebook page, which may not be up now, there was a picture of a two-three yr old girl with the caption "if you want one this cute, holla at me" or so,etching like that

Yeah, sounds like an upstanding dad alright.

Ugh! What does that even mean? Such a loser.

I saw that too. It's sort of delusional, don't you think?

He looks ok on the FB posts but his mugshot is atrocious-he looks like the evil animal that he truly is. Praying they catch him soon-I fear he might hurt others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What incentive could he possibly have to turn self in? No death penalty in dc so that is off the table

I would think his chances of being in jail rest of life are 100% so why not try to run? I can't see him getting out after only 30 yes because he turned himself in and cooperated

agree..he's going to run as long as he can

I believe his incentive is he has three children. They will grow up under this umbrella of their father's acts. Although horrific perhaps he can still be there for them to show them what not to do. Make better choices, etc. Children still end up loving their parent no matter the circumstances.

My guess the crime being solved will help the S children as well. We do not know if he acted alone. Perhaps the authorities already do.

If he has one ounce of true love for his kids, he will turn himself in.

Omg. Hilarious.

On his Facebook page, which may not be up now, there was a picture of a two-three yr old girl with the caption "if you want one this cute, holla at me" or so,etching like that

Yeah, sounds like an upstanding dad alright.

Yes, not only is he offering himself to the world as a baby daddy for anyone who wants a beautiful child, he posted a shirtless bathroom selfie of himself saying how lucky any woman is to be with him because "this is what Black Jesus looks like"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Isn't he being sued by the state of Maryland where his baby mamas are collecting welfare bc he does not support any of his 3 kids? Does not sound like a loving father never mind the fact that he tortured to death a child for money.

It is standard operating procedure for states to sue for child support for any child receiving Medicaid, SNAP, or other need-based assistance when a child support order is in effect, even if the father has been paying. The state action improves enforcement of child support and also improves the income verification for eligibility determination for various assistance programs. With the state as intermediary for child support payments it knows exactly when and how much support has been paid rather than relying on the custodial parent to report it to them.