Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

If the governor goes to the DMV, do they find a higher ranking official to give him the the eye test?

That’s not a good analogy. Does the governor also give eye tests?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

Why on earth would they even need to know? If you don’t understand it, then STFU about it.

Wrong. Were you born understanding it genius? People don't know and then they learn about it and then they know.

Looking it up on Wikipedia doesn't make you an expert. Shocker, I know.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

It is, somewhat. But there was a time when people had been in the military, or their parent or sibling or spouse or even good friend had been, so there was a level of knowledge about how the military worked. So even non-military had some knowledge of how the military operated, and they at least knew the names of the different rates/ranks. That no longer exists, so we get a lot of adults making comments about people and situations where they don’t have even a basic grasp of the context- but that doesn’t stop them from opining.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

Why on earth would they even need to know? If you don’t understand it, then STFU about it.

Wrong. Were you born understanding it genius? People don't know and then they learn about it and then they know.

Looking it up on Wikipedia doesn't make you an expert. Shocker, I know.

Well whatever this great system of rank and “checkrides” and evaluations and experience and blah blah blah…whatever it is… it didn’t work here.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

Why on earth would they even need to know? If you don’t understand it, then STFU about it.

Wrong. Were you born understanding it genius? People don't know and then they learn about it and then they know.

Looking it up on Wikipedia doesn't make you an expert. Shocker, I know.

Well whatever this great system of rank and “checkrides” and evaluations and experience and blah blah blah…whatever it is… it didn’t work here.

Another shocker: your ignorance and inexperience are not going to fix anything.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

Why on earth would they even need to know? If you don’t understand it, then STFU about it.

Wrong. Were you born understanding it genius? People don't know and then they learn about it and then they know.

Looking it up on Wikipedia doesn't make you an expert. Shocker, I know.

Well whatever this great system of rank and “checkrides” and evaluations and experience and blah blah blah…whatever it is… it didn’t work here.

Another shocker: your ignorance and inexperience are not going to fix anything.

Fix what is the point?. So much of this thread is about understanding what went wrong. Everyone saw the helicopter fly into the plane. Until you know why that happened, you can't fix anything.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

Why on earth would they even need to know? If you don’t understand it, then STFU about it.

Wrong. Were you born understanding it genius? People don't know and then they learn about it and then they know.

Looking it up on Wikipedia doesn't make you an expert. Shocker, I know.

Well whatever this great system of rank and “checkrides” and evaluations and experience and blah blah blah…whatever it is… it didn’t work here.

Another shocker: your ignorance and inexperience are not going to fix anything.

Fix what is the point?. So much of this thread is about understanding what went wrong. Everyone saw the helicopter fly into the plane. Until you know why that happened, you can't fix anything.

You aren’t going to figure it out. You don’t have the relevant data or experience.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

Why on earth would they even need to know? If you don’t understand it, then STFU about it.

Wrong. Were you born understanding it genius? People don't know and then they learn about it and then they know.

Looking it up on Wikipedia doesn't make you an expert. Shocker, I know.

Well whatever this great system of rank and “checkrides” and evaluations and experience and blah blah blah…whatever it is… it didn’t work here.

Another shocker: your ignorance and inexperience are not going to fix anything.

Fix what is the point?. So much of this thread is about understanding what went wrong. Everyone saw the helicopter fly into the plane. Until you know why that happened, you can't fix anything.

You aren’t going to figure it out. You don’t have the relevant data or experience.

If my family was on that plane I would figure it out or I would die trying.

[Anonymous]

I can't go back reading 200 pages. What is the VIP thing? They dropped one off at National? Were supposed to pick one up at National? Taking one somewhere and there are 4 on the Blackhawk? Or what? Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't go back reading 200 pages. What is the VIP thing? They dropped one off at National? Were supposed to pick one up at National? Taking one somewhere and there are 4 on the Blackhawk? Or what? Thanks.

The Black Hawk helicopter turned on it's transponder just outside of Langley. It's home location is Ft. Belvoir in Alexandria. It was never going to DCA. It dropped someone at Langley and then was returning to Belvoir along the Helo route that passes DCA.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

Stop saying this and explain it.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't go back reading 200 pages. What is the VIP thing? They dropped one off at National? Were supposed to pick one up at National? Taking one somewhere and there are 4 on the Blackhawk? Or what? Thanks.

The Black Hawk helicopter turned on it's transponder just outside of Langley. It's home location is Ft. Belvoir in Alexandria. It was never going to DCA. It dropped someone at Langley and then was returning to Belvoir along the Helo route that passes DCA.

Wait if there was a VIP, they can’t be bothered to travel by car from Alexandria to Langley?? That’s like 20 minutes. This is what our country is using these black hawks for? Unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't go back reading 200 pages. What is the VIP thing? They dropped one off at National? Were supposed to pick one up at National? Taking one somewhere and there are 4 on the Blackhawk? Or what? Thanks.

The Black Hawk helicopter turned on it's transponder just outside of Langley. It's home location is Ft. Belvoir in Alexandria. It was never going to DCA. It dropped someone at Langley and then was returning to Belvoir along the Helo route that passes DCA.

Wait if there was a VIP, they can’t be bothered to travel by car from Alexandria to Langley?? That’s like 20 minutes. This is what our country is using these black hawks for? Unreal.

Well we don't know where the person was picked up. Only that they were dropped at Langley. The soldiers were based at Belvoir. But yes this is absolutely what DC area Black Hawks are used for.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all so strange to me that that the highest ranking person on board was not the most experienced, nor the doing the evaluating. The Army is effed up.

The military rank structure probably seems odd to someone who is not familiar with it.

I thought most educated people know what an rotc or a service academy grad comes in at.
Oh well.

Most people don’t understand what a warrant officer is.

It’s weird that she outranks him and he must evaluate her, no?

It is shocking how many Americans know so little about the military. There was a time when most adults had either served in the military themselves or had close family or friends who had served. But today, most adults haven’t served and might not even know anyone who has served.

And, yes, the rank of warrant officer can be confusing, but once someone explained it to me when I was in my twenties, I understood it. I wasn’t even in the military myself, but had a good friend who was serving at the time.

This thread really illustrates how little adults in our society understand about the basics of how the military services operate.

How on earth would non military understand this? It’s convoluted.

It is, somewhat. But there was a time when people had been in the military, or their parent or sibling or spouse or even good friend had been, so there was a level of knowledge about how the military worked. So even non-military had some knowledge of how the military operated, and they at least knew the names of the different rates/ranks. That no longer exists, so we get a lot of adults making comments about people and situations where they don’t have even a basic grasp of the context- but that doesn’t stop them from opining.

This happens with everything. You think Trump and his supporters knows what the people do who they are firing?

I don't need to know about the military to understand that helicopters shouldn't be around national unless they are simulating something specifically relative to maneuvering around an airport or around DC in an emergency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm so disappointed that no one is discussing the need to reduce the traffic at DCA. The airport was never meant to have 25 million passengers flying in and out every minute every day with military helicopters crossing the airspace constantly. Unless they move pentagon and the white house and the hundreds and thousands of VIPs away, you will never be able to get rid of the helicopter flights. The restrictions on the nearby airspace won't be changed either. They need to reduce the traffic at DCA by at least half, and get dedicated ATCs for both commercial flights and helicopters. If there weren't a line of planes waiting to land, the helicopter could have held its position and wait for an opening to cross safely - no need for these altitude rules with razor thin margin of error. And THAT should be the solution, NOT to bend to the selfish wishes of some politicians who want 20 minutes less of commute to the airport.

People are talking about this. It was the first thing everyone brought up. Right now it is not front and center because everything airport/commercial airline-wise seems to have gone according to plan. I agree that this question should be addressed, though.

I totally disagree about the helo traffic, though. That needs to be reassessed : who uses them? how often? why? and which routes? I am betting all of these can be adjusted. I can't imagine why ANYONE except maybe president and vice president need to travel by helicopter ever. Bad for the environment, bad for taxpayers, and it turns out a huge safety issue. Stop the helicopters and sit in traffic on the phone or on your laptop like everyone else.