Robert Frost beats Takoma Park in Mathcounts

[Anonymous]

Frost parents are so pathetic. Frost beats TPMS one time in mathcounts, they made a thread about it? Why? Ya'll felt inferior to TPMS ? Ya'll think that win somehow make ya'll equal or better to TPMS ? LOL
Ya'll pathetic.

Signed- not a TPMS parent or booster

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread becomes more and more absurd. I suspect there are only a few persons posting trolling messages to pit people against each other.
DC went to the mathcounts event. It was a fun tournament just like chess or other sports competitions. Kids solve some math problem individually and in a team. And the winners recognized in the end. It is just that, an extracurricular activity, interests only to kids who are into it. Although the “winners” are well-known and well-admired by most contestants, I doubt students outside of the math club know or care at all. Also, like other tournaments, the results are quite predictable. Frost probably will win again in the state competition, but that doesn’t mean anything about magnet vs. non-magnet or Frost vs. TP. And the result most likely will change next year when different players come in.

Thanks for posting, PP. It's nice to read a sensible take on this.

Agree that next year will be different. TPMS will go downhill even further.

PP - You should be happy about that, were it come to pass, because your kid presumably is at a superior program, and you then get to gloat. But which begs the question, why do even care?

I am worried, actually. TP is deteriorating obviously (thank you, MCPS). The Frost teachers would have retired by the time DC is a middle schooler. Where could DD go?

It's stronger than ever. Since they started universal screening their drawing from a pool 10X larger than before. I wish these bitter parents would stop with the disinformation.

I teach at TPMS and my sense is the caliber of student has markedly improved in recent years because of the better screening methods.

Independent verifications (mathleague x 2 and Mathcounts) proves otherwise.

Do you mean independent verifications like the MAA, where in the latest AMC8 results, TPMS has 26 in honor roll while Frost has 5?
Where TPMS scores lead the state Maryland ?

http://amc-reg.maa.org/reports/generalreports.aspx

OMG. Now we are comparing the whole TPMS program with the whole Frost. Just BRILLIANT.

What were we comparing?

How about number of TPMS AMC8 honor roll kids *for each grade* over the past three years?

You can check it out on the link provided above

I am sure you have the data. Here is what I found for the 7th grade:

2018 TPMS has 9 7th grade honor rolls (not impacted by the new selection)
2019 TPMS has 4 7th grade honor rolls (impacted by the new selection)

You still want us to believe that the magnet program has got better?

+1

[Anonymous]

Wait... isn't there agreement by both sides here that the new criteria makes local school cohort one of the key factors for selection? In other words, even supporters of the new policy don't argue that the new system is designed to identify the most gifted kids. It's not. It's designed to assign kids to TPMS that come from a home school that doesn't have a cohort.

I actually support the new criteria, but I think we should be clear about what it is, and why it's being used. Saying that it's designed to find more gifted kids than the prior one isn't honest.

I agree but admitting this means accepting that the more academically rigorous curriculum is being given to the lower performing group of students at TPMS while the more gifted students at Frost have an easier curriculum. It really should be swapped out. My prediction is that MCPS will basically get to one GT/honors level curriculum that is somewhere between the enriched classes and the magnet curriculum. The standards have to be lowered now for TPMS and parents are pressuring to raise the standards at the other schools with the more gifted students. MCPS will keep some level of regional magnets and limited bussing for kids coming from schools where there are not enough kids to make up one class of GT programming but the rest will go. This is actually a far more economical and scalable approach. It will piss off the people in TP but oh well.

[Anonymous]

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Wait... isn't there agreement by both sides here that the new criteria makes local school cohort one of the key factors for selection? In other words, even supporters of the new policy don't argue that the new system is designed to identify the most gifted kids. It's not. It's designed to assign kids to TPMS that come from a home school that doesn't have a cohort.

I actually support the new criteria, but I think we should be clear about what it is, and why it's being used. Saying that it's designed to find more gifted kids than the prior one isn't honest.

I agree but admitting this means accepting that the more academically rigorous curriculum is being given to the lower performing group of students at TPMS while the more gifted students at Frost have an easier curriculum. It really should be swapped out. My prediction is that MCPS will basically get to one GT/honors level curriculum that is somewhere between the enriched classes and the magnet curriculum. The standards have to be lowered now for TPMS and parents are pressuring to raise the standards at the other schools with the more gifted students. MCPS will keep some level of regional magnets and limited bussing for kids coming from schools where there are not enough kids to make up one class of GT programming but the rest will go. This is actually a far more economical and scalable approach. It will piss off the people in TP but oh well.

Let us know when that happens. We’ll be waiting.

[Anonymous]

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Wait... isn't there agreement by both sides here that the new criteria makes local school cohort one of the key factors for selection? In other words, even supporters of the new policy don't argue that the new system is designed to identify the most gifted kids. It's not. It's designed to assign kids to TPMS that come from a home school that doesn't have a cohort.

I actually support the new criteria, but I think we should be clear about what it is, and why it's being used. Saying that it's designed to find more gifted kids than the prior one isn't honest.

I agree but admitting this means accepting that the more academically rigorous curriculum is being given to the lower performing group of students at TPMS while the more gifted students at Frost have an easier curriculum. It really should be swapped out. My prediction is that MCPS will basically get to one GT/honors level curriculum that is somewhere between the enriched classes and the magnet curriculum. The standards have to be lowered now for TPMS and parents are pressuring to raise the standards at the other schools with the more gifted students. MCPS will keep some level of regional magnets and limited bussing for kids coming from schools where there are not enough kids to make up one class of GT programming but the rest will go. This is actually a far more economical and scalable approach. It will piss off the people in TP but oh well.

This is not exactly accurate. There are off the charts kids who got in from the Cold Spring CES and I would bet it's the same for Clear Spring and Chevy Chase CESes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Wait... isn't there agreement by both sides here that the new criteria makes local school cohort one of the key factors for selection? In other words, even supporters of the new policy don't argue that the new system is designed to identify the most gifted kids. It's not. It's designed to assign kids to TPMS that come from a home school that doesn't have a cohort.

I actually support the new criteria, but I think we should be clear about what it is, and why it's being used. Saying that it's designed to find more gifted kids than the prior one isn't honest.

I agree but admitting this means accepting that the more academically rigorous curriculum is being given to the lower performing group of students at TPMS while the more gifted students at Frost have an easier curriculum. It really should be swapped out. My prediction is that MCPS will basically get to one GT/honors level curriculum that is somewhere between the enriched classes and the magnet curriculum. The standards have to be lowered now for TPMS and parents are pressuring to raise the standards at the other schools with the more gifted students. MCPS will keep some level of regional magnets and limited bussing for kids coming from schools where there are not enough kids to make up one class of GT programming but the rest will go. This is actually a far more economical and scalable approach. It will piss off the people in TP but oh well.

Actually, the people this would really piss off are the employees at Dr. Li. This would completely devastate their business. Please think of them before you advocate for a program like this. They are people, too.

[Anonymous]

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Wait... isn't there agreement by both sides here that the new criteria makes local school cohort one of the key factors for selection? In other words, even supporters of the new policy don't argue that the new system is designed to identify the most gifted kids. It's not. It's designed to assign kids to TPMS that come from a home school that doesn't have a cohort.

I actually support the new criteria, but I think we should be clear about what it is, and why it's being used. Saying that it's designed to find more gifted kids than the prior one isn't honest.

I agree but admitting this means accepting that the more academically rigorous curriculum is being given to the lower performing group of students at TPMS while the more gifted students at Frost have an easier curriculum. It really should be swapped out. My prediction is that MCPS will basically get to one GT/honors level curriculum that is somewhere between the enriched classes and the magnet curriculum. The standards have to be lowered now for TPMS and parents are pressuring to raise the standards at the other schools with the more gifted students. MCPS will keep some level of regional magnets and limited bussing for kids coming from schools where there are not enough kids to make up one class of GT programming but the rest will go. This is actually a far more economical and scalable approach. It will piss off the people in TP but oh well.

Actually, the people this would really piss off are the employees at Dr. Li. This would completely devastate their business. Please think of them before you advocate for a program like this. They are people, too.

What is your problem with Dr. Li? How about Kumon, APlus, C2 education, testingmom, mathnasium, etc, etc?

[Anonymous]

I have noticed (this is only anecdotal) that there are a lot of girls from the N. Potomac area in the 6th grade this year. I wonder if they are letting in more girls from the "banned" zip codes with cohorts to balance the gender disparity in the program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have noticed (this is only anecdotal) that there are a lot of girls from the N. Potomac area in the 6th grade this year. I wonder if they are letting in more girls from the "banned" zip codes with cohorts to balance the gender disparity in the program.

Or maybe they just had really good test scores and grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have noticed (this is only anecdotal) that there are a lot of girls from the N. Potomac area in the 6th grade this year. I wonder if they are letting in more girls from the "banned" zip codes with cohorts to balance the gender disparity in the program.

There are also a lot of girls from Silver Spring. Among my child's CES cohort, there were six girls admitted and two boys.

I don't thinkt this is about "banned" zip codes at all.

[Anonymous]

I guess with dorks, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess with dorks, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

This new selection process will keep admitting the heavily prepped. A little bit of challenge (read Mathcounts) will reveal how messed up MCPS is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so distasteful. Why do people have to tear down kids? I don’t have kids at either school but i just want to say that I think its phenomenal that they are engaging with math and I wish all these kids the best.
If you feel the need to say negative stuff about a bunch of kids, anonymously on the internet, I suggest you re-evaluate your priorities.

It is sad, isn’t it? We are talking about our children. How would you explain it to your child who has just been rejected? Oh, honey, don’t be upset. They say that they have a better selection process now. It has nothing to do with the rumors you heard at school?

I'm the PP. My kid WAS rejected and I certainly didn't tell him that it was because of the "selection process." I said that it was nice he'd be back in school with his neighborhood friends and close to home. I don't need to tear down the kids who got in or suggest that he deserved a spot more than they did. And if kids are hearing rumors at school (which I don't think they are -- my kids at a CES and no one is talking about it; I think there's even less chatter at neighborhood schools), then it's because they are hearing this crap from their parents.

[Anonymous]

BOOO FROST GOOOOO TAKOMA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BOOO FROST GOOOOO TAKOMA

Seriously?