Deal is tremendously overcrowded - something is to give

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

Tony Williams had the right idea. Move UDC to a location that is closer to more of its students, one that actually has the feel of an ivy campus, the St Elizabeth's site. Unlock the economic potential of the Van Ness site, and use the money to improve both the campus and programs of UDC.

But no, the so-called guardians of UDC wanted to cling to their Brutalist bunker along Connecticut, because having Ward 3 real estate was somehow making a statement or "prestigious" in their minds It's the same for Duke Ellington, which is not in a very central or transit-accessible location for the vast majority of its students (including the ones who really live in Maryland. )

I don't know who you think goes to school at UDC, but I taught a class there last week and at least from what I could see that day, far more than half of students are international. It is not at all some refuge for Ward 7/8 students.

They probably aren’t living in Spring Valley! In any event, Mayor Williams’ administration certainly looked at commuting data for the students, regardless of their national origin.

The point is that UDC is not optimally located on Van Ness. Instead the site could better serve as a location for badly needed school facilities in Ward 3, with some of the site developed near the Metro which would help to pay for the whole thing.

Is Kent good enough for you?

White Kent resident with two kids at UDC here. The casual racist condescension of liberal white DC residents is beyond bemusing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So - most of the growth in public’s school enrollment in DC is due to the charter sector, right?

No.

Correct. All of the growth in public school enrollment in DC over the past decade is due to the charter sector.

So you didn't actually look at the numbers.

Did you look at the numbers that were posted on page 21 of this thread?

Total public enrollment has grown by 22,167 in the past ten years. DCPS has shrunk by 1,440 students over that time. The charter sector has grown by 23,607 students. All of the growth in public school enrollment in DC over the past decade is due to the charter sector.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They need to redraw boundaries to be more equitable - send more white kids to adjacent out of bounds schools that need improving.

Don’t you get it, white kids will be fine. They don’t actually help the poor kids at a poor school, they simply raise the metrics making the school look better. White kids are the cause not the solution to the gap

In the sense that if there were no white kids in DCPS, there would be no gap. Of course, there would be little achievement as well. Except for the high SES AAs. But chances are, without the white kids, even more of the high SES AAs would go private or to the burbs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

Tony Williams had the right idea. Move UDC to a location that is closer to more of its students, one that actually has the feel of an ivy campus, the St Elizabeth's site. Unlock the economic potential of the Van Ness site, and use the money to improve both the campus and programs of UDC.

But no, the so-called guardians of UDC wanted to cling to their Brutalist bunker along Connecticut, because having Ward 3 real estate was somehow making a statement or "prestigious" in their minds It's the same for Duke Ellington, which is not in a very central or transit-accessible location for the vast majority of its students (including the ones who really live in Maryland. )

I don't know who you think goes to school at UDC, but I taught a class there last week and at least from what I could see that day, far more than half of students are international. It is not at all some refuge for Ward 7/8 students.

They probably aren’t living in Spring Valley! In any event, Mayor Williams’ administration certainly looked at commuting data for the students, regardless of their national origin.

The point is that UDC is not optimally located on Van Ness. Instead the site could better serve as a location for badly needed school facilities in Ward 3, with some of the site developed near the Metro which would help to pay for the whole thing.

Is Kent good enough for you?

White Kent resident with two kids at UDC here. The casual racist condescension of liberal white DC residents is beyond bemusing.

You know most of your classmates do not live near you. And likely one of the reasons you go to UDC is that it is nearby — opposite of the situation of most of the potential UDC students across the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

Tony Williams had the right idea. Move UDC to a location that is closer to more of its students, one that actually has the feel of an ivy campus, the St Elizabeth's site. Unlock the economic potential of the Van Ness site, and use the money to improve both the campus and programs of UDC.

But no, the so-called guardians of UDC wanted to cling to their Brutalist bunker along Connecticut, because having Ward 3 real estate was somehow making a statement or "prestigious" in their minds It's the same for Duke Ellington, which is not in a very central or transit-accessible location for the vast majority of its students (including the ones who really live in Maryland. )

I don't know who you think goes to school at UDC, but I taught a class there last week and at least from what I could see that day, far more than half of students are international. It is not at all some refuge for Ward 7/8 students.

They probably aren’t living in Spring Valley! In any event, Mayor Williams’ administration certainly looked at commuting data for the students, regardless of their national origin.

The point is that UDC is not optimally located on Van Ness. Instead the site could better serve as a location for badly needed school facilities in Ward 3, with some of the site developed near the Metro which would help to pay for the whole thing.

Is Kent good enough for you?

White Kent resident with two kids at UDC here. The casual racist condescension of liberal white DC residents is beyond bemusing.

You know most of your classmates do not live near you. And likely one of the reasons you go to UDC is that it is nearby — opposite of the situation of most of the potential UDC students across the city.

This is not elementary school where having playmates from your school in the neighborhood is a nice positive.

The vast, vast majority of UDC students work at least part-time jobs, which they rely upon to live and pay tuition. Van Ness is more convenient to where jobs are than St. Elizabeth's would be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to redraw boundaries to be more equitable - send more white kids to adjacent out of bounds schools that need improving.

Don’t you get it, white kids will be fine. They don’t actually help the poor kids at a poor school, they simply raise the metrics making the school look better. White kids are the cause not the solution to the gap

In the sense that if there were no white kids in DCPS, there would be no gap. Of course, there would be little achievement as well. Except for the high SES AAs. But chances are, without the white kids, even more of the high SES AAs would go private or to the burbs.

There is plenty of achievement happening at among students of all races and ethnicities at Banneker (and the middle schools those students came from), McKinley, BASIS, Washington Latin HS, SWW. At none of these schools are white students the majority, and many of the high achieving AA and Latino students are NOT high SES.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They need to redraw boundaries to be more equitable - send more white kids to adjacent out of bounds schools that need improving.

Don’t you get it, white kids will be fine. They don’t actually help the poor kids at a poor school, they simply raise the metrics making the school look better. White kids are the cause not the solution to the gap

In the sense that if there were no white kids in DCPS, there would be no gap. Of course, there would be little achievement as well. Except for the high SES AAs. But chances are, without the white kids, even more of the high SES AAs would go private or to the burbs.

There is plenty of achievement happening at among students of all races and ethnicities at Banneker (and the middle schools those students came from), McKinley, BASIS, Washington Latin HS, SWW. At none of these schools are white students the majority, and many of the high achieving AA and Latino students are NOT high SES.

Ok, so are they the cause of the gap?

[Anonymous]

My IQ drops every time I punch up DCUM in my browser!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Who carrs? Success of athletic teams is waaay down on the list.

This is silly.

The schools athletic teams have been getting better not worse. The boys and girls soccer teams the last couple of years have held their own against the elite private school teams and the boys and girls basketball teams are also among the best in the region though I have a feeling at some point we are going to find out there are some shenanigans going on with the boys basketball team who is suddenly getting nationally ranked transfers. The boys football team is also about as good as it usually is which is to say competitive in DCPS.

All of the Wilson teams would benefit from some better competition from other DCPS schools, many of whom struggle to field teams, to say nothing of being competitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Who carrs? Success of athletic teams is waaay down on the list.

This is silly.

The schools athletic teams have been getting better not worse. The boys and girls soccer teams the last couple of years have held their own against the elite private school teams and the boys and girls basketball teams are also among the best in the region though I have a feeling at some point we are going to find out there are some shenanigans going on with the boys basketball team who is suddenly getting nationally ranked transfers. The boys football team is also about as good as it usually is which is to say competitive in DCPS.

All of the Wilson teams would benefit from some better competition from other DCPS schools, many of whom struggle to field teams, to say nothing of being competitive.

In DCPS only hoops and football really count.

[Anonymous]

This is such an ugly and depressing thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just end feeder rights. That should allow Deal’s and Wilson’s enrollments to stabilize. It will also focus needed attention on schools EOTP. A win-win.

You will loose diversity. As housing increases in Ward 3 you will see a less diverse area. This will sound bad but I will say it. Wilson and Deal will go from have the number 1 athletic programs to being last. If you think I am exaggerating go to a basketball and football game.

Honestly, who cares. I'd wager that in-boundary parents wouldn't really mind if Wilson were to lose every darn football game henceforth in a less diverse area if the academics were to improve by leaps and bounds. We need strong public schools to afford to stay in the city while ensuring that our children have a bright future. The City needs to prioritize creating neighborhood high schools most in-boundary parents are excited about, vs. cramming droves of OOB students into the one by-right DCPS HS most IB parents will use.

[Anonymous]

Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?

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Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?

Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.

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Anonymous wrote:Make Coolidge a test-in, city-wide IB middle and high school with non-IB right of entry track for residents of Ward 4 EOTP only. Change feeder pattern for EOTP Ward 4 schools including Shepherd to Coolidge. Takoma is in NW - why can't it be the new "Western" high school?

Why only change the feeder pattern for part of a ward? Why wouldn't all of Ward 4 go to the new school? Hmm.

Because the ward boundaries shift according to reappointionment. They have little meaning or relationship to geography, patterns of living, etc. If you ask folks in the Kafayette district - Chevy Chase Dac, etc. their orientation and affinity is with those areas WOTP, not with Ward 4 across the park.