Is U Chicago worth cost over in-state UVA?
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Anonymous
Your list is misleading. If you check the original report you are citing, the whole point of the report and the list was to show that state schools including UVA is catching up with top schools: Bulge Bracket Banks - Target Schools Generally speaking, target schools are ivy league or ivy league equivalent schools but in recent years prestigious state schools have been improving their representation at banks making these schools a good alternative to the Ivy League. According the WSO Investment Banking Industry Report, we have found the top ten target schools in 2017 to be: University of Pennsylvania New York University Harvard University University of Cambridge Cornell University The University of Texas at Austin Columbia University Duke University University of Chicago University of Michigan These top 10 schools represent ~22% of all recruitment and hiring of bulge bracket banks in 2017. However, there are many other universities that make up the remaining 78% of all bulge bracket bank hires. Some other notable universities include: Yale University University of Cambridge University of Virginia (UVA) Boston College Duke University UCLA London School of Economics Princeton University Georgetown Northwestern University Arizona State University Brigham Young University Georgia Institute of Technology Penn State University You can see that UVA is only slightly below UChicago - in the same cluster as Yale and Cambridge. You can read more about this statistic in the WSO industry report. |
Anonymous
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So, the full list is as follows:
University of Pennsylvania New York University Harvard University University of Cambridge Cornell University The University of Texas at Austin Columbia University Duke University University of Chicago University of Michigan Yale University University of Cambridge University of Virginia (UVA) Boston College Duke University UCLA London School of Economics Princeton University Georgetown Northwestern University Arizona State University Brigham Young University Georgia Institute of Technology Penn State University |
Anonymous
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The link to the above list:
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/comprehensive-list-of-target-schools |
Anonymous
| I don't think you can go wrong with UVA that's in the same class as Yale and Cambridge - and above Princeton. The step difference in these rankings are minuscule. No one's ever said Chicago is "better" than Yale, Cambridge, or Princeton because of the slightly higher ranking. |
Anonymous
This is 10 years old. Published during the recession. Come on, it's irrelevant. |
Anonymous
What are you talking about? It clearly says at the top of the chart: 2018 UNIVERSITY STATISTICS. |
Anonymous
Wherever PP went, it's SAD they didn't teach her how to read. |
Anonymous
That is where the UChicago alum's truncated list came from - and it's 2017 list. You can google these things easily. For 2018 list, go here: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/investment-banking-industry-reports/universities/2018 UVA is not far off UChicago. |
Anonymous
The Wall Street data was posted to disprove an idiotic assertion made by a lying poster that UChicago is not a feeder school for Wall Street Firms. That's all. Reading too much into that data beyond that is not productive. Personally, as someone interested in STEM, I would look at a metric which often gets overlooked when evaluating institutions. What percentage of its bachelors degree holders go on to earn PhD's? This in some sense conveys whether the school is doing a good job in preparing its students for graduate studies. Here is the list published by the NSF which lists the Top 50 U.S. baccalaureate-origin institutions of 2002–11 Science & Engineering doctorate recipients, ranked by institutional-yield ratio (which allows us to compare small colleges and large universities). So For example 35% of Caltech BS degree holders land up getting a PhD, which is pretty impressive, but what is surprising is how well the LAC's prepare students for advanced studies compared to some of the research universities. If I had the money to spend on a private school, I would start with this list. What this list shows is that while state schools like UC Berkeley may be great grad schools, they may not be good at preparing their undergrads to be competitive enough to get into PhD programs, but if you don't care about that and only want to think it terms of costs, the flagship state schools may be fantastic options for instate students. 
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Anonymous
| The student will encounter a much brighter population at U Chicago than he or she will encounter at UVA. |
Anonymous
Since when? Have you seen what is required to get into UVA now? |
Anonymous
No. The quality of UChicago alum and parents in these threads suggest they are as smart as state university people. Except they constantly underestimate UVA and/or overestimate themselves. |
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If you can’t tell the difference, it’s not worth paying for it.
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Anonymous
It’s tough for you to see outside your box and around your pitcher of Kool Aid, I think, because of the nova competition — a teeming mass of the offspring of a crowded population of overachievers chasing too few seats at a good, fairly cheap school — but the in state acceptance rate is still high and the test scores are lower than Chicago’s. The notion that these schools are comparable is laughable. |
Anonymous
All the independent 3rd parties - Payscale, Govt salary report, Forbes, WS financial reports - indicate UVA is comparable, even superior, to UChicago. OP's question is, is the tuition premium at UChicago justified? Independent parties who have no dog in the fight answer in the negative. What is laughable is that Uchicaho is being passed over routinely by likes of UVA, UCLA, and UCBerkely . That's what's alarming the UChicago people to the hysterical level. |