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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Loudoun teacher and the day was “fine” in the sense we had no storm damage but it was a bad day generally and not worth all the stress. Tons of absent kids and staff, kids being dismissed all day by parent pickup, we spent 45 minutes in the hall for a tornado warning which disrupted all the kids taking the writing SOL and led to testing discrepancies. Some kids were freaking out about a tornado, nobody could focus afterward. It was a really bad really stressful day that instructionally was worthless. And that was after navigating major multiple plans for my kids about how they’d get home in the event of a regular dismissal or emergency early dismissal. I’m wiped getting home from that day. I can’t see how it was better than just having an early release and being able to plan for that and not start testing that got interrupted .

LCPS parents in my workplace were thrilled with the call. Hopefully they are in touch with leadership to express their appreciation.

Ok?

My point is LCPS obviously takes into account more stakeholders than just upset teachers who wanted to be in their yoga pants. And so far as any students were “freaking out” it was probably because their teachers were telling them it was too dangerous to be in school.

Your level of delusion is extraordinary. If you seriously think teachers have any say in school calendars or delays/early releases, you are extraordinarily misinformed.

Who said a say? Their wishes were prioritized over students safety in FCPS. Not LCPS. So FCPS lost another day and LCPS lost 45 min.

Their wishes? Are you seriously implying that teachers were "polled" and their "wishes" were influential in the decision to close early?

Your hatred towards teachers is concerning, as are your paranoia and delusions. I hope you are receiving mental health help.

I’m seriously saying their representatives in FEA contacted gatehouse to say that sooo many teachers would be put at risk driving from out of county. Feel free to provide any information that this didn't happen but this is what i was told this morning.

Provide information it happened. Like names of the Gatehouse employees who you talked to.

You’re stupid if you don’t think the teachers’ unions have a role in these calls on when school is cancelled, when the announcement is made, etc. How soon people forget that the unions led the charge to close schools around this day in 2020, and to keep them closed for a year.

You think the FCPS teachers union also closed both my and my husband's offices yesterday, even though neither of us works in Fairfax? Wow, so powerful.

I’m a different poster, but is your point that it doesn’t matter if the teachers union has an impact on closures because other things closed as well? Because that doesn’t make sense. The decision to put a bunch of children on busses and sidewalks during what was forecasted to be a major storm should be made with one criteria: the safety of the children. Not the convenience of adults with long commutes. As the LCPS superintendent correctly pointed out, early release took place during the period of highest risk. I think teachers unions can do a lot of good, but this is an example when they are capable of serious harm.

What evidence is there to show that yesterday’s early dismissal decision was made at the request of either union? I just skimmed back in this thread and didn’t see it.

At least one group chat had a spouse of an employee saying that gatehouse was hearing Sunday night from teachers union advocates saying they had to close early because of the long commutes by out of county teachers.

Is it possible that someone completely fabricated this? Sure. But why? Its not that boring a group chat.

Who was aware of this group chat and how?

Look how far removed from the supposed source this claim is.

licenses.

"I heard it from my cousin's dentist's former roomate!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

I don’t disagree. The safest options would be delayed closing until weather had passed or full day closure. Reid is a people pleaser, though, and she compromised with both factions. This resulted in the least safe option; dismissal at what turned out to be the peak of the storm. I blame Gatehouse for having weak leadership for that.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

Based on a DCUM post claiming that someone knows of a spouse of an employee who is aware of a group chat in which somebody said they new of someone at Gatehouse who said “the union” (which one, or both?) was advocating for early dismissal?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

First, just because the union said something doesn’t mean Gatehouse listened.

Second, these two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Safety for teachers can also be safety for students.

I don’t get your teacher hatred at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

First, just because the union said something doesn’t mean Gatehouse listened.

Second, these two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Safety for teachers can also be safety for students.

I don’t get your teacher hatred at all.

But it was mutually exclusive. Dismissing early for teachers endangered students. That should really be over the line.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

The union advocacy to force an early dismissal yesterday only occurred in your head. You hate teachers for some reason and it fits your narrative. It's actually laughable that you think the union has that much power.

Many other organizations closed early yesterday, including federal and local government offices. The House cancelled all votes yesterday due to the weather impact. But in FCPS, it was definitely because of the union.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Loudoun teacher and the day was “fine” in the sense we had no storm damage but it was a bad day generally and not worth all the stress. Tons of absent kids and staff, kids being dismissed all day by parent pickup, we spent 45 minutes in the hall for a tornado warning which disrupted all the kids taking the writing SOL and led to testing discrepancies. Some kids were freaking out about a tornado, nobody could focus afterward. It was a really bad really stressful day that instructionally was worthless. And that was after navigating major multiple plans for my kids about how they’d get home in the event of a regular dismissal or emergency early dismissal. I’m wiped getting home from that day. I can’t see how it was better than just having an early release and being able to plan for that and not start testing that got interrupted .

LCPS parents in my workplace were thrilled with the call. Hopefully they are in touch with leadership to express their appreciation.

Ok?

My point is LCPS obviously takes into account more stakeholders than just upset teachers who wanted to be in their yoga pants. And so far as any students were “freaking out” it was probably because their teachers were telling them it was too dangerous to be in school.

Your level of delusion is extraordinary. If you seriously think teachers have any say in school calendars or delays/early releases, you are extraordinarily misinformed.

Who said a say? Their wishes were prioritized over students safety in FCPS. Not LCPS. So FCPS lost another day and LCPS lost 45 min.

Their wishes? Are you seriously implying that teachers were "polled" and their "wishes" were influential in the decision to close early?

Your hatred towards teachers is concerning, as are your paranoia and delusions. I hope you are receiving mental health help.

I’m seriously saying their representatives in FEA contacted gatehouse to say that sooo many teachers would be put at risk driving from out of county. Feel free to provide any information that this didn't happen but this is what i was told this morning.

By whom? Your gossip buddy who also heard it from someone else? Do you believe everything you’re told?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

First, just because the union said something doesn’t mean Gatehouse listened.

Second, these two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Safety for teachers can also be safety for students.

I don’t get your teacher hatred at all.

But it was mutually exclusive. Dismissing early for teachers endangered students. That should really be over the line.

Wouldn’t dismissing early then also endanger the teachers? I’m not following. They didn’t know the exact time of the storm - some reports were saying the worst would be between 3 pm and 7 pm which makes an early dismissal safer.

[Anonymous]

Yeah and the teachers union conspired with the weather people and they then convinced OPM to dismiss early. It is all a high level teachers union conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

First, just because the union said something doesn’t mean Gatehouse listened.

Second, these two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Safety for teachers can also be safety for students.

I don’t get your teacher hatred at all.

But it was mutually exclusive. Dismissing early for teachers endangered students. That should really be over the line.

Wouldn’t dismissing early then also endanger the teachers? I’m not following. They didn’t know the exact time of the storm - some reports were saying the worst would be between 3 pm and 7 pm which makes an early dismissal safer.

Wouldn’t it also endanger the teacher children?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

First, just because the union said something doesn’t mean Gatehouse listened.

Second, these two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Safety for teachers can also be safety for students.

I don’t get your teacher hatred at all.

But it was mutually exclusive. Dismissing early for teachers endangered students. That should really be over the line.

Wouldn’t dismissing early then also endanger the teachers? I’m not following. They didn’t know the exact time of the storm - some reports were saying the worst would be between 3 pm and 7 pm which makes an early dismissal safer.

Wouldn’t it also endanger the teacher children?

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The crux of the issue is FCPS will always close. They never try to think out of the box (ie: keeping kids in school building is safer and could also mean schooling could happen). They will always close. It was a predictable call on their part. I have never known them to do hard things. Or acknowledge how often they close school doors.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

The union advocacy to force an early dismissal yesterday only occurred in your head. You hate teachers for some reason and it fits your narrative. It's actually laughable that you think the union has that much power.

Many other organizations closed early yesterday, including federal and local government offices. The House cancelled all votes yesterday due to the weather impact. But in FCPS, it was definitely because of the union.

+1

It didn't happen. I personally know one of the heads of one of the unions, and she has said the unions always work together as a united front, so she would know if the other union was involved in contacting Gatehouse about something.

The accusation above didn't happen. The PP is inventing stories to fit their narrative that teachers are lazy, evil, conniving, manipulative ogres.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a Loudoun teacher and the day was “fine” in the sense we had no storm damage but it was a bad day generally and not worth all the stress. Tons of absent kids and staff, kids being dismissed all day by parent pickup, we spent 45 minutes in the hall for a tornado warning which disrupted all the kids taking the writing SOL and led to testing discrepancies. Some kids were freaking out about a tornado, nobody could focus afterward. It was a really bad really stressful day that instructionally was worthless. And that was after navigating major multiple plans for my kids about how they’d get home in the event of a regular dismissal or emergency early dismissal. I’m wiped getting home from that day. I can’t see how it was better than just having an early release and being able to plan for that and not start testing that got interrupted .

LCPS parents in my workplace were thrilled with the call. Hopefully they are in touch with leadership to express their appreciation.

Ok?

My point is LCPS obviously takes into account more stakeholders than just upset teachers who wanted to be in their yoga pants. And so far as any students were “freaking out” it was probably because their teachers were telling them it was too dangerous to be in school.

Your level of delusion is extraordinary. If you seriously think teachers have any say in school calendars or delays/early releases, you are extraordinarily misinformed.

Who said a say? Their wishes were prioritized over students safety in FCPS. Not LCPS. So FCPS lost another day and LCPS lost 45 min.

Their wishes? Are you seriously implying that teachers were "polled" and their "wishes" were influential in the decision to close early?

Your hatred towards teachers is concerning, as are your paranoia and delusions. I hope you are receiving mental health help.

I’m seriously saying their representatives in FEA contacted gatehouse to say that sooo many teachers would be put at risk driving from out of county. Feel free to provide any information that this didn't happen but this is what i was told this morning.

Provide information it happened. Like names of the Gatehouse employees who you talked to.

You’re stupid if you don’t think the teachers’ unions have a role in these calls on when school is cancelled, when the announcement is made, etc. How soon people forget that the unions led the charge to close schools around this day in 2020, and to keep them closed for a year.

You think the FCPS teachers union also closed both my and my husband's offices yesterday, even though neither of us works in Fairfax? Wow, so powerful.

I’m a different poster, but is your point that it doesn’t matter if the teachers union has an impact on closures because other things closed as well? Because that doesn’t make sense. The decision to put a bunch of children on busses and sidewalks during what was forecasted to be a major storm should be made with one criteria: the safety of the children. Not the convenience of adults with long commutes. As the LCPS superintendent correctly pointed out, early release took place during the period of highest risk. I think teachers unions can do a lot of good, but this is an example when they are capable of serious harm.

What evidence is there to show that yesterday’s early dismissal decision was made at the request of either union? I just skimmed back in this thread and didn’t see it.

At least one group chat had a spouse of an employee saying that gatehouse was hearing Sunday night from teachers union advocates saying they had to close early because of the long commutes by out of county teachers.

Is it possible that someone completely fabricated this? Sure. But why? Its not that boring a group chat.

Who was aware of this group chat and how?

Look how far removed from the supposed source this claim is.

And probably the spouse of the gatehouse person was making stuff up anyway to keep
The group chat from being mean to the spouse for a bad decision. “Larry and the gatehouse team were only caving to pressure from the teachers union anyway!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess I don’t see the controversy of an advocacy group advocating for their members. Especially for a weather event that eventually led to the closing of the Federal and County government. FCPS wasn’t even the first district to call for early dismissal.

If they tried to pressure Gatehouse with threats of sick outs or other actions then there’d be a story.

My problem is pressure to do something for teachers that could endanger students. The line for advocacy really needs to be before student safety.

If a kid was struck by a falling tree yesterday would gatehouse have admitted there was advocacy from the teachers union to close? It’s different from their advocacy around snow days, where the risk calculus is the other way and gatehouse can always say this was the interest of safety. Yesterday was a bad safety call.

The union advocacy to force an early dismissal yesterday only occurred in your head. You hate teachers for some reason and it fits your narrative. It's actually laughable that you think the union has that much power.

Many other organizations closed early yesterday, including federal and local government offices. The House cancelled all votes yesterday due to the weather impact. But in FCPS, it was definitely because of the union.

+1

It didn't happen. I personally know one of the heads of one of the unions, and she has said the unions always work together as a united front, so she would know if the other union was involved in contacting Gatehouse about something.

The accusation above didn't happen. The PP is inventing stories to fit their narrative that teachers are lazy, evil, conniving, manipulative ogres.

Inventing stories to fit a narrative alright…