Love Story: JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bassette

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Anonymous wrote:I was working in a law firm in the 80s and my memory is that it was rare, also. My only memory of anyone talking about plastic surgery was my much older mil talking about someone she knew who had a face lift. Also, Joan Rivers was known to have had a lot of procedures at that time.

And nobody did Botox back then.

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Anonymous wrote:just watched the wedding ep. caroline sure was a B to carolyn. what was her issue? did she want her brother to never marry?

Do you mean thr character or Caroline in real life? Who knows if the real Caroline acted this way. Look at Daryl Hannah’s piece above. It refutes basically everything that involved her in the show.

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Anonymous wrote:just watched the wedding ep. caroline sure was a B to carolyn. what was her issue? did she want her brother to never marry?

Carole Radziwill wrote about Caroline in her memoir. She implied she was cool and distant, and not overly friendly. In fact, some of the scenes in Love Story seem to be lifted from her book.

[Anonymous]

Michael Berman is another character like Darryl Hannah in this. Not very flattering.

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Berman is another character like Darryl Hannah in this. Not very flattering.

He’s very relatable, though. Everyone at one time or another has worked with someone who didn’t hold up their end of the project and you end up working your ass off and holding the bag. The whole situation ends up as unflattering for JFK Jr. IMO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Berman is another character like Darryl Hannah in this. Not very flattering.

He’s very relatable, though. Everyone at one time or another has worked with someone who didn’t hold up their end of the project and you end up working your ass off and holding the bag. The whole situation ends up as unflattering for JFK Jr. IMO.

+1, he doesn't come off as likable, but he does come off as smart and correct about the magazine and what JFK Jr. should do if he really wants it to be successful. Meanwhile, John comes off as charming and likable, but oblivious and not savvy.

John just comes off as all surface.

[Anonymous]

Both things can be true about plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures. Nose jobs and boob jobs are not new and have been quite common for many decades.

What is newer is the rampant acceleration of facelifts, people getting facelifts in their 30s instead of in their 60s, the huge acceleration in things like Botox and filler to alter your face, and younger and younger people substantially altering their face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michael Berman is another character like Darryl Hannah in this. Not very flattering.

He’s very relatable, though. Everyone at one time or another has worked with someone who didn’t hold up their end of the project and you end up working your ass off and holding the bag. The whole situation ends up as unflattering for JFK Jr. IMO.

+1, he doesn't come off as likable, but he does come off as smart and correct about the magazine and what JFK Jr. should do if he really wants it to be successful. Meanwhile, John comes off as charming and likable, but oblivious and not savvy.

John just comes off as all surface.

I agree with this but I also think it portrays him as someone who would be perfectly happy living a normal life with low expectations. He felt that he had to live up to the Kennedy legacy because that was society's expectation. But it doesn't seem like he really had that drive. Sure, he was educated, charming, handsome but he never really cared to be the person that society wanted him to be. Below the surface, was just someone who wanted to get out and stop pretending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Both things can be true about plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures. Nose jobs and boob jobs are not new and have been quite common for many decades.

What is newer is the rampant acceleration of facelifts, people getting facelifts in their 30s instead of in their 60s, the huge acceleration in things like Botox and filler to alter your face, and younger and younger people substantially altering their face.

The use of filler and Botox on young people is disturbing. You don’t see any natural pretty young people anymore - just weird. I can’t think of a pretty model today when the 80s/90s were filled with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Michael Berman is another character like Darryl Hannah in this. Not very flattering.

He’s very relatable, though. Everyone at one time or another has worked with someone who didn’t hold up their end of the project and you end up working your ass off and holding the bag. The whole situation ends up as unflattering for JFK Jr. IMO.

+1, he doesn't come off as likable, but he does come off as smart and correct about the magazine and what JFK Jr. should do if he really wants it to be successful. Meanwhile, John comes off as charming and likable, but oblivious and not savvy.

John just comes off as all surface.

I agree with this but I also think it portrays him as someone who would be perfectly happy living a normal life with low expectations. He felt that he had to live up to the Kennedy legacy because that was society's expectation. But it doesn't seem like he really had that drive. Sure, he was educated, charming, handsome but he never really cared to be the person that society wanted him to be. Below the surface, was just someone who wanted to get out and stop pretending.

But then he goes and meets with the political consultant at the end of the last episode! It’s like he gave up trying to be any semblance of a regular person and gives in to society’s expectations, which are the opposite of what his wife wants.

[Anonymous]

My spouse and her sisters got nose jobs in the mid-90s. All the women in their family have them. It was fairly common in Jewish areas of Long Island, NJ, Bethesda, Los Angeles to get one during summer break of high school or before going off to college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My spouse and her sisters got nose jobs in the mid-90s. All the women in their family have them. It was fairly common in Jewish areas of Long Island, NJ, Bethesda, Los Angeles to get one during summer break of high school or before going off to college.

Agree, I grew up in the Phila suburbs and there were plenty of nose jobs in the mid-90s

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Michael Berman is another character like Darryl Hannah in this. Not very flattering.

He’s very relatable, though. Everyone at one time or another has worked with someone who didn’t hold up their end of the project and you end up working your ass off and holding the bag. The whole situation ends up as unflattering for JFK Jr. IMO.

PP here. I totally agree with this. I just wonder though how Berman felt about it and if he cared that all this was revealed. I watched a couple docs where they downplay this incident. Just occured to me after Hannah wrote her article.

It was very damning to JFK Jr! There was some line about him being incompetent with a big smile or something that was mean and accurate. Magazines were cool then and he wanted to be in that club. It was a failure but he died before it was labeled as such.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My spouse and her sisters got nose jobs in the mid-90s. All the women in their family have them. It was fairly common in Jewish areas of Long Island, NJ, Bethesda, Los Angeles to get one during summer break of high school or before going off to college.

Agree, I grew up in the Phila suburbs and there were plenty of nose jobs in the mid-90s

I don’t think people are talking about that though. We’ve established that those procedures were incredibly common. However, Botox, fillers, and facelifts in the 30s and 40s were not nearly as common.

[Anonymous]

FYI: Sarah Pidgeon is on a Kelly Clarkson today.