Taylor's Feb. Rec for Woodward Boundary Study

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Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

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This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

+1

This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

It depends on the school. MCPS cannot afford to give students 1-1 music lessons. If you want specialized, then you need to go private. Some have financial aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who referenced lowering property values in Kensington, I wonder how Wooten property values will change

The differences is the homes and lots. The town has much bigger homes and lots. The bigger no town homes are going for equal prices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

+1

This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

It depends on the school. MCPS cannot afford to give students 1-1 music lessons. If you want specialized, then you need to go private. Some have financial aid.

You don’t need to go private. Move to VA and get it for free. Pay small tuition to attend DCPS’ Duke Ellington.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

+1

This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

It depends on the school. MCPS cannot afford to give students 1-1 music lessons. If you want specialized, then you need to go private. Some have financial aid.

You don’t need to go private. Move to VA and get it for free. Pay small tuition to attend DCPS’ Duke Ellington.

I looked at Duke Ellington but they don’t have strong academics. Not worth it. I’d rather do music privately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

+1

This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

Duke Ellington is not giving private individual lessons to everyone. Also the entire school is focused on arts--it's not a program within a school. And the sacrifice for that is that the "regular" classes like English and math are awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For a supposedly liberal county, you all sure have a lot of antipathy towards poorer people at your kids’ schools. Have you thought of joining ICE and cleaning up MoCo so it will have the demographics you covet again? At least that would be intellectually honest.

The main concern is actually the opposite. Why aren’t 'poor kids' moved to WJ? Woodward and WJ are only 1 mile apart. This proposal will remove some lower-income students from WJ and place them into Woodward (along with bunch of others), effectively concentrating poverty there while making WJ whiter and less diverse overall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who referenced lowering property values in Kensington, I wonder how Wooten property values will change

Why don’t people know how to spell Wootton?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a supposedly liberal county, you all sure have a lot of antipathy towards poorer people at your kids’ schools. Have you thought of joining ICE and cleaning up MoCo so it will have the demographics you covet again? At least that would be intellectually honest.

The main concern is actually the opposite. Why aren’t 'poor kids' moved to WJ? Woodward and WJ are only 1 mile apart. This proposal will remove some lower-income students from WJ and place them into Woodward (along with bunch of others), effectively concentrating poverty there while making WJ whiter and less diverse overall.

Why is this a surprise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a supposedly liberal county, you all sure have a lot of antipathy towards poorer people at your kids’ schools. Have you thought of joining ICE and cleaning up MoCo so it will have the demographics you covet again? At least that would be intellectually honest.

The main concern is actually the opposite. Why aren’t 'poor kids' moved to WJ? Woodward and WJ are only 1 mile apart. This proposal will remove some lower-income students from WJ and place them into Woodward (along with bunch of others), effectively concentrating poverty there while making WJ whiter and less diverse overall.

So you’re claiming to be a WJ parent upset that WJ isn’t going to be poor and diverse enough? Somehow I don’t think that’s where you’re coming from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a supposedly liberal county, you all sure have a lot of antipathy towards poorer people at your kids’ schools. Have you thought of joining ICE and cleaning up MoCo so it will have the demographics you covet again? At least that would be intellectually honest.

The main concern is actually the opposite. Why aren’t 'poor kids' moved to WJ? Woodward and WJ are only 1 mile apart. This proposal will remove some lower-income students from WJ and place them into Woodward (along with bunch of others), effectively concentrating poverty there while making WJ whiter and less diverse overall.

So you’re claiming to be a WJ parent upset that WJ isn’t going to be poor and diverse enough? Somehow I don’t think that’s where you’re coming from.

They will be complaining when they lose what half their spends and teachers and have a huge reduction in course offerings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For a supposedly liberal county, you all sure have a lot of antipathy towards poorer people at your kids’ schools. Have you thought of joining ICE and cleaning up MoCo so it will have the demographics you covet again? At least that would be intellectually honest.

The main concern is actually the opposite. Why aren’t 'poor kids' moved to WJ? Woodward and WJ are only 1 mile apart. This proposal will remove some lower-income students from WJ and place them into Woodward (along with bunch of others), effectively concentrating poverty there while making WJ whiter and less diverse overall.

So you’re claiming to be a WJ parent upset that WJ isn’t going to be poor and diverse enough? Somehow I don’t think that’s where you’re coming from.

I’m just a tax paying resident complaining about a terrible job done by the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

+1

This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

Duke Ellington is not giving private individual lessons to everyone. Also the entire school is focused on arts--it's not a program within a school. And the sacrifice for that is that the "regular" classes like English and math are awful.

They have instrumental technique classes that are required each year. Like a group lesson or sectional with a teacher that’s an expert on that instrument.

How is the MCPS Music program that requires students to finish WL in MS and do health, PE, and the tech credit online or in the summer any better? It’s not worth it.

Any kid in MCYO or PVYO sees that this is just a program in name only. A joke!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who referenced lowering property values in Kensington, I wonder how Wooten property values will change

Why don’t people know how to spell Wootton?

Crown will be easier to spell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why not push for a better magnet? There is your win-win for the entire region.

+1

This is the real elephant in the room. It’s the magnets at Woodward. Not the bean counting over FARMS.

I agree. And this is not the first time that point has been brought up on this forum. It is a high FARMS and a meaningless magnet combo that will give Woodward a horrible starting point. Having an important magnet (STEM, IB or humanities) will significantly improve school's chances to succeed.

If they really invest in it, the performing arts program could be an important magnet - like LaGuardia in NYC or Duke Ellington in DC. But they need a better balance between WJ and Woodward. Not that hard.

Taylor has already shown he is only willing to support programs in name only. Have you looked at the “criteria” for these music programs? Just need a C or better. No audition required. No private lessons as part of the program, just dumb musicianship class. Taylor is purposely NOT following the successful model of Duke Ellington. He doesn’t want a full on art school. He wants a regular school with a handful of music kids so can dent allocations for music teachers at the other 5 schools ij the region.

These programs are a smokescreen for provided less to students, not more.

Expecting kids to take private lessons is unreasonable given the cost. It would be nice to have a true arts school but its not going to happen. Most kids who are into music do outside programs. The music program really comes down to the teacher and students vs. calling it a magnet or not. Some schools have top music programs and others say they do and don't.

You don’t understand how music magnets work. The kids are given private lessons during the school day by experts on their instrument. Again, somebody please look at what’s available at Duke Ellington just down the road! This is standard for any arts high school in the US. The day is longer, like Blair, to include this. MCPS can’t even get separate band and orchestra teachers at every high school let alone experts on each instrument.

Virginia has also good examples for MCPS to look at such as their Governor’s School for the Arts. None of these kids are taking CTE courses in finance or a bogus musicianship class. They are getting prepared to win auditions

Duke Ellington is not giving private individual lessons to everyone. Also the entire school is focused on arts--it's not a program within a school. And the sacrifice for that is that the "regular" classes like English and math are awful.

They have instrumental technique classes that are required each year. Like a group lesson or sectional with a teacher that’s an expert on that instrument.

How is the MCPS Music program that requires students to finish WL in MS and do health, PE, and the tech credit online or in the summer any better? It’s not worth it.

Any kid in MCYO or PVYO sees that this is just a program in name only. A joke!

MCYO and PVYO kids generally do tech in MS if offered or they do both health and PE in summer school. MCYO requires private lessons and school orchestra so it's not an option not to take orchestra all four years. PVYO is much more relaxed.