Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
You think nurses aides and social workers and sanitation workers should quit their jobs in droves and that will be better for society? Because they all work jobs society needs as much as yours, they make less than you do and they all complain a heck of a lot less on DCUM about how rough they have it.
Ultimately, we all have to take care of ourselves first. If these individuals want a better job and they think teaching pays more for easier work, then they should apply.
(And to your point: can you tell me the last time sanitation workers, nurses aides, and social workers had to take 20 hours of unpaid work home each week? Is that a usual occurrence?)
You have a point about sanitation workers but clearly you know very little about social work.
+1! Very clueless about how hard social workers work for similar or less pay for a full year’s work.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
Again, you’re welcome to be angry. It still won’t fix anything.
Yes, grading is a requirement, but it’s one we aren’t given time to do at work. Generally, essential work is part of a professional’s work day; not so for teachers.
Veteran teachers have learned how to condense 20 hours of grading to 15. They have condensed 10 hours of planning to 6. Therefore, they can manage the workload a bit better.
New teachers are crushed by a tsunami of off-hours work: learning curriculum, creating materials, prepping lessons, grading without a stockpile of banked comments.
These teachers don’t last. And so we replace them with more teachers who don’t last.
This isn’t acceptable to me. It isn’t sustainable, especially if you want grades done and lessons taught. And I do, so I’m making efforts to fix it. Speaking out is part of that.
(And before you criticize me for not working: I took leave for a critical appointment… where I am working.)
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The crushing and unrealistic work expectations are often quoted when people leave the profession.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The crushing and unrealistic work expectations are often quoted when people leave the profession.
If teachers are crushed with other work then that work needs to take a back seat to grading.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The crushing and unrealistic work expectations are often quoted when people leave the profession.
If teachers are crushed with other work then that work needs to take a back seat to grading.
That’s an easy thing to say, but much harder to do.
It can’t take precedence over planning. Ever. An unprepared teacher leads to a disastrous, disruptive and unfocused class. It can’t take precedence over respond to emails, many of which are time sensitive. And teachers receive many emails.
Grading comes next.
So the workload has to wait until the evenings, when it competes with family obligations and sleep.
Yes, grading is important. Teachers think so, but our employers apparently don’t. It’s an essential task that receives no work time to be completed.
That’s the reality. Being angry at teachers for a situation out of their control isn’t productive, nor is demanding more blood from stone.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The crushing and unrealistic work expectations are often quoted when people leave the profession.
If teachers are crushed with other work then that work needs to take a back seat to grading.
It is delayed because it’s one of the least important tasks of all of them.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The endlessly hard done by teachers who post here say that we can’t retain teachers if we expect them to do unreasonable things like grade papers which, they claim, they had absolutely no idea they were going to have to grade when they were hired.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
(Called government shutdown)
Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
Il
DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The crushing and unrealistic work expectations are often quoted when people leave the profession.
If teachers are crushed with other work then that work needs to take a back seat to grading.
It is delayed because it’s one of the least important tasks of all of them.
Unless a parent wants to know how their kid is doing in school. We understand you also consider communicating with parents a waste of time because it’s not compensated. Surely its faster just to grade the paper vs organize a conference with the parents.
Anonymous wrote:If teachers are working 70hrs/week grading, can someone explain to me why my child has no grades entered into SIS for English and History?
+1. No grades in Civics. It’s almost October.
As I posted above: you may have a teacher who isn’t going to work more than their paid hours. Some teachers will work dutifully during the school day, but they aren’t willing to give their nights and weekends to the job anymore. There’s a growing argument that those of us who are willing to work around the clock are actually enabling school systems, who then expect even more blood from stone.
My own kids have high school teachers who haven’t put grades in. I get it, and I can’t fault them. Sure, it’s annoying. But if we want grading done in a timely manner, then we need to provide time at work to get it done.
What do you call all these days off they've had? That's time.
Do you mean these recent school holidays? Those are not days teachers are paid, they are not teacher workday or staff development days; so as the PP mentioned, teachers are not working on them.
This is the key issue. Teachers work contract hours and no more- they’re not professionals in the sense that professionals get their work done and don’t just clock out based on work hours. And not all professionals are highly paid. Many local government and nonprofit and other public interest workers are not highly paid but do want to get the job done.
Teachers also want to get the job done. They are simply work time to do it.
Imagine your boss told you that he expected you to give presentations for 6.5 hours each day, but you’ll only receive half an hour to prepare. The rest of your work day will be spent presenting for absent coworkers. Would you simply say, “I’m on it”? Or would you ask how realistic that expectation is?
And then imagine your boss said that you also had to regularly assess how well your audience receives that message. (Did I mention it’s a disinterested and potentially hostile audience?) You must collect tons of data, analyze it, and use it to tailor upcoming presentations. Once again, would you question that expectation or simply say “I’m a professional! I’ll get it done!”
You’re seeking sympathy from people about to do all that and not get paid. Please get some perspective.
You give 6.5 hour presentations for free?
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Once again, why be a teacher if you can't handle the task of teachin? The fact that you're surprised by this is amazing!!!
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DP. I get it. You’re a fed facing a potential shutdown and a delayed paycheck. See, here’s the difference: I do feel bad for you. That shouldn’t happen, and I can sympathize with having to work for free for an employer who doesn’t respect you.
But I guess it’s hard to send that same respect my way, huh?
Do you? Then act like it the next time you advocate for schedules that make it impossible for those of us with kids who still have jobs to work a normal workweek just so you can have more free time. Stop with your ludicrous **amazon** wishlists while your students parents’ are on unemployment. Advocate that schools in this area fundraise to support local food banks instead of catering your meals. Then you might deserve some respect but your entitlement at this time in this area is truly an incredibly off-putting representation of your profession.
I do. And I still respect you, even though you’ve decided to lash out at me without knowing me.
I am also a parent. I have the same struggles you do when schools close and I still have to work. I also have to find childcare for my kids most weekends so I can catch up with work.
I don’t have an Amazon wish list. I simply purchase all of the supplies for my classroom, usually close to $600-$800 a year.
Catered meals? I got a donut last year and I was very appreciative. Would you like me to donate it forward next time? I certainly will. I’ll add it to the donations I give to my church’s food bank.
So you’re welcome to lash out at me. I’m a teacher; I’m used to it. I’ll still respect and support you.
And heres the entitlement— or perhaps the willful ignorance— no, you do not have the “same” struggles as any other parent. Your kids are given preference for before and aftercare, you are permitted privileges like school and teacher selection that are a huge time suck on normal parents, and, again, there is endless harping about how you should work less (early release, more work days) so the rest of us can struggle harder. And then those same parents who juggle so you don’t have to grade papers after school get asked to send you a few hundred bucks in supplies, and buy your meals for a week to show “appreciation”.
Well, you are WELCOME to ignore every request. I’m not sending any of them.
Here’s what I’ll never understand: if you’re so bitter about how teachers have it better than you, why don’t you become a teacher?
You can start as early as next year with full pay. Put in the application now for one of the many alternative route programs available in the region.
Then you can share in all the wonderful perks you claim teachers have.
Because I don’t think the solution to a culture of entitlement at the expense of working parents is to join it. I think the solution is to expose and reform it.
Is this you trying to expose “entitled teachers”?
When many of their students parents are about to work without paychecks and they say they shouldn’t have to stay after school to finish grading, I would say they’re doing the work for me.
All that you’ve proven is that both of our employers are idiots.
If you believe that, why do you cheer yours on while they make life worse for working parents on your behalf? You sure do benefit from the “idiots”.
When did the cheering occur?
I’d rather benefit from them then have them take advantage of me. It sounds to me like you’re allowing them to make your life worse, why don’t you do something about that?
Every single thread about days off, start times, early dismissal. We get the crowing teachers about all their extra time, forgetting that, that spare time is at the expense of (literally) their students parents.
You do realize the majority of teachers are parents, correct? We have the same struggles you do. We also have to find coverage for teacher work days. And on days “off,” we still need to find someone to watch our children so we can continue working. (Or we have to let TV do the watching for us, just like you.) We are also working parents, again… just like you.
That changes in the summer, as I’m sure you’re about to remind me. But teachers aren’t paid for the summer, even if they continue working (trainings, classroom prep, curriculum revisions). And for many of us, we simply go to job #2 to make up for the drop in pay.
Your struggles are, once again, not the same. You are paid on teacher work days. The person who has to take a day off *isn’t* paid on a teacher workday— and a lot of them make a heck of a lot less than you do. So enjoy your quiet day to catch up on your work and don’t worry your head foe the families of your students and what it costs them for you to do that.
And once again: please apply if you would like the “perks” a teacher gets, especially if you are being paid less.
I don’t have a lot of sympathy when people complain about teacher “perks” but then decide they don’t want to switch fields. We will take you. We need you. Because, ironically, people are fleeing because the job is unsustainable. But I’m sure it won’t be for you, so please: come enjoy the “perks” with the rest of us.
And while we are talking about personal costs: I work 7 days a week. But, as you say, don’t worry about me. Don’t worry about the family of the teacher and the children who grow up seeing stacks of papers taking priority over family events.
We don’t actually need new teachers at FCPS. We are over 99% staffed with licensed teachers.
Look behind the curtain.
You can staff classrooms with licensed teachers. But are they actually qualified? Will they even do the job for more than one year? And are classrooms filled because class sizes went up, necessitating fewer teachers?
And the look at all the DCUM threads slamming teachers for not teaching, not grading, not connecting with kids, not responding to emails.
We can’t have it both ways. You can’t scramble to fill classrooms and then demand a quality teacher and experience.
There’s no thread here about “connecting to kids”. There’s threads about not teaching or grading which whether you are a new teacher (why does it matter if they don’t stay?) or not is irrelevant— it’s what you’re paid for.
So yes maybe FCPS is lying to the parents and the classrooms don’t have any teachers in them, but then why is it we’re supposed to believe FCPS is telling the truth about the “need” for early dismissal/workdays.
You can’t say your employer is a liar in one breath and say we should believe them about how much you need more work time in the next.
Nobody is lying. There are teachers, but quantity and quality are two different things. I get that you simply want to be angry, and you’re welcome to waste that energy.
There’s a huge difference between frantically filling classes each year with whomever you can find versus curating strong teachers who stay and grow professionally.
If you’re comfortable with classes simply being filled, then please don’t complain when grades don’t get done, curricula isn’t delivered expertly, and teachers don’t stay throughout your child’s tenure at a school.
Nowhere in FCPS glowing reports of their retention does it say they will not hold teachers to the minimum standards of their profession (grading work). If veteran teachers are so amazing, there should be no late grades since, again, FCPS is reporting their retention.
Sounds like the “tenured” teachers are the problem, not the solution.
What do retention reports have to do with work expectations?
The crushing and unrealistic work expectations are often quoted when people leave the profession.
If teachers are crushed with other work then that work needs to take a back seat to grading.
That’s an easy thing to say, but much harder to do.
It can’t take precedence over planning. Ever. An unprepared teacher leads to a disastrous, disruptive and unfocused class. It can’t take precedence over respond to emails, many of which are time sensitive. And teachers receive many emails.
Grading comes next.
So the workload has to wait until the evenings, when it competes with family obligations and sleep.
Yes, grading is important. Teachers think so, but our employers apparently don’t. It’s an essential task that receives no work time to be completed.
That’s the reality. Being angry at teachers for a situation out of their control isn’t productive, nor is demanding more blood from stone.
What “work time” are you afforded to answer emails from your employer? Because if they’re not affording you specific paid hours then its not important?
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